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  • #182
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Well the only trouble I had with bouncers happened last week and to be fair I dont think its a legal issue or if it is maybe slander at best! Me and a few friends were going to a bar which to respect to rules on boards will remain nameless. There was three of us heading, two guys and one girl, one bouncer said hows it going lads and we repeated the courtesy back.

    The next bouncer shouts at me "HEY YOU GOBSH*TE, WERE THE F*CK DO YOU THINK YOUR GOING YOU BOLL*X" and other explitives that I cant remember. He then shouts at me you caused trouble in here again and again at me who like the rest of my mates had never been there before. I reapeted to the bouncer "what trouble" did I cause and he accused me of starting fights a few weeks back and selling drugs. The whole club saw this and I was quite embarrased needless to say its not in my nature to start fights and definatly not sell drugs (I dont look like the type to do either). I kept cool but repeated to the bouncer that he was lieing and he was speaking slander at which point he went right in my face trying to indimidate me shouting "what did you say?" I said I have never been treated so rudely in my life I spoke to him as an adult and said if you go into any business and are treated like that how would you feel.

    The other bouncer apologised to my mate and said im sorry I never seen yous before. I told the bouncer I would be making a complaint, the other bouncer called the manager out and I made a complaint and stood my ground. Several people in the outside garden of the club were in shock at the bouncers attitude. Being accused of being a drug dealer and called a gobsh1te isnt something I take lightly. A simple not tonight lads would have been suffiecient. I was given the owners email address which I will contact for an apology at the very least.


  • #183
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Well the only trouble I had with bouncers happened last week and to be fair I dont think its a legal issue or if it is maybe slander at best! Me and a few friends were going to a bar which to respect to rules on boards will remain nameless. There was three of us heading, two guys and one girl, one bouncer said hows it going lads and we repeated the courtesy back.

    The next bouncer shouts at me "HEY YOU GOBSH*TE, WERE THE F*CK DO YOU THINK YOUR GOING YOU BOLL*X" and other explitives that I cant remember. He then shouts at me you caused trouble in here again and again at me who like the rest of my mates had never been there before. I reapeted to the bouncer "what trouble" did I cause and he accused me of starting fights a few weeks back and selling drugs. The whole club saw this and I was quite embarrased needless to say its not in my nature to start fights and definatly not sell drugs (I dont look like the type to do either). I kept cool but repeated to the bouncer that he was lieing and he was speaking slander at which point he went right in my face trying to indimidate me shouting "what did you say?" I said I have never been treated so rudely in my life I spoke to him as an adult and said if you go into any business and are treated like that how would you feel.

    The other bouncer apologised to my mate and said im sorry I never seen yous before. I told the bouncer I would be making a complaint, the other bouncer called the manager out and I made a complaint and stood my ground. Several people in the outside garden of the club were in shock at the bouncers attitude. Being accused of being a drug dealer and called a gobsh1te isnt something I take lightly. A simple not tonight lads would have been suffiecient. I was given the owners email address which I will contact for an apology at the very least.
    Perfect example of being defamed right there. You should consider legal action, did you get the bouncers name?


  • #184
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Well the only trouble I had with bouncers happened last week and to be fair I dont think its a legal issue or if it is maybe slander at best! Me and a few friends were going to a bar which to respect to rules on boards will remain nameless. There was three of us heading, two guys and one girl, one bouncer said hows it going lads and we repeated the courtesy back.

    The next bouncer shouts at me "HEY YOU GOBSH*TE, WERE THE F*CK DO YOU THINK YOUR GOING YOU BOLL*X" and other explitives that I cant remember. He then shouts at me you caused trouble in here again and again at me who like the rest of my mates had never been there before. I reapeted to the bouncer "what trouble" did I cause and he accused me of starting fights a few weeks back and selling drugs. The whole club saw this and I was quite embarrased needless to say its not in my nature to start fights and definatly not sell drugs (I dont look like the type to do either). I kept cool but repeated to the bouncer that he was lieing and he was speaking slander at which point he went right in my face trying to indimidate me shouting "what did you say?" I said I have never been treated so rudely in my life I spoke to him as an adult and said if you go into any business and are treated like that how would you feel.

    The other bouncer apologised to my mate and said im sorry I never seen yous before. I told the bouncer I would be making a complaint, the other bouncer called the manager out and I made a complaint and stood my ground. Several people in the outside garden of the club were in shock at the bouncers attitude. Being accused of being a drug dealer and called a gobsh1te isnt something I take lightly. A simple not tonight lads would have been suffiecient. I was given the owners email address which I will contact for an apology at the very least.

    If I believed you, and I'll be perfectly honest - I don't, I'd refer you to THIS.. And if its true, I'll apologize to you over the pints you'll owe me for that free advice - you won't be stuck for a few quid :p


  • #185
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Perfect example of being defamed right there. You should consider legal action, did you get the bouncers name?

    I asked for his name as he wasnt wearing I.d but was refused it. I found out his name through the other bouncer however. I wouldnt have minded but I go to college I work hard, im not a bad person and didnt deserve that.


  • #186
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Tessa Huge Registrar wrote: »
    If I believed you, and I'll be perfectly honest - I don't, I'd refer you to THIS.. And if its true, I'll apologize to you over the pints you'll owe me for that free advice - you won't be stuck for a few quid :p

    When I said I,ll make a complaint he asked why because you want to make a claim ect, which isnt the case at all I want an apology thats all. To be honest I dont see what part of that story is unbeleivable. Surely you must of heard of doormen making up reasons to refuse people and not worried about the implications of their insult?


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  • #187
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I asked for his name as he wasnt wearing I.d but was refused it. I found out his name through the other bouncer however. I wouldnt have minded but I go to college I work hard, im not a bad person and didnt deserve that.
    I would be livid if I was accused of being a drug dealer(worst type of scum) and would take them to the cleaners, get onto a solicitor and explain your story, many do no win no fee cases though you wont see that advertised(ring a few and ask)

    Did he touch you at all?


  • #188
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Did he touch you at all?

    And did you like it?


  • #189
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    When I said I,ll make a complaint he asked why because you want to make a claim ect, which isnt the case at all I want an apology thats all.

    Honestly if that happened your mad not to sue.
    steddyeddy wrote: »
    To be honest I dont see what part of that story is unbeleivable. Surely you must of heard of doormen making up reasons to refuse people and not worried about the implications of their insult?

    I've heard a lot of stupid things said to punters to refuse them entry, but nothing as outlandish as your story.

    If its true, and you can prove it then I refer you to my previous advice to you. You'd take the premises for a mint.


  • #190
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    I would be livid if I was accused of being a drug dealer(worst type of scum) and would take them to the cleaners, get onto a solicitor and explain your story, many do no win no fee cases though you wont see that advertised(ring a few and ask)

    Did he touch you at all?

    No he didnt at all luckily I was livid, usually I would have let it go but I was really offended and embarrassed.


  • #191
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Tessa Huge Registrar wrote: »
    Honestly if that happened your mad not to sue.



    I've heard a lot of stupid things said to punters to refuse them entry, but nothing as outlandish as your story.

    If its true, and you can prove it then I refer you to my previous advice to you. You'd take the premises for a mint.

    Well makikomi in fairness the only reason someone would make that up is to carry some sort of grudge against bouncers, which isnt the case. If you read my previous posts I think the vast majority of bouncers are good people. The reason I started the thread was to enquire about methods of complaint, I dont want to go down the legal route but at the very least I want the club to be aware of the actions of the security on their door.


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  • #192
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    And did you like it?

    as I said he didnt touch me so no :(. I suppose I should be offended he didnt touch me!


  • #193
    Wolfe Tone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,670 ✭✭✭✭Wolfe Tone


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Well makikomi in fairness the only reason someone would make that up is to carry some sort of grudge against bouncers, which isnt the case. If you read my previous posts I think the vast majority of bouncers are good people. The reason I started the thread was to enquire about methods of complaint, I dont want to go down the legal route but at the very least I want the club to be aware of the actions of the security on their door.
    You should go down the legal route(or at least threaten the club with it) could get a nice check.


  • #194
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Well makikomi in fairness the only reason someone would make that up is to carry some sort of grudge against bouncers, which isnt the case. If you read my previous posts I think the vast majority of bouncers are good people. The reason I started the thread was to enquire about methods of complaint, I dont want to go down the legal route but at the very least I want the club to be aware of the actions of the security on their door.

    Listen, I'm really not getting my back up with you (although it may seem like that), and I'm not qualified to offer you legal advice.

    But if someone accused me of causing trouble and dealing drugs I'd be talking to my solicitor and not posting about it online.

    If a club has wronged you you should redress that and sue, nothing says "up your bollox" to a pub/club than someone taking a few quid off them.


  • #195
    c_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    Over the years, the worst I've ever gotten from a bouncer is a 'Not tonight' and tbh half the time they were right :pac:

    We've all heard stories about the bad eggs but they can't all be judged by the actions of a few d!ckheads. They do a tough job and places are better/safer because of it.


  • #196
    username123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,484 ✭✭✭username123


    I once went to a well known bar in Dublin with 2 friends (all of us female), I was driving and was able to park practically right outside - in full view of the bouncers.

    There were 3 of them on the door. They began to give us a discourteous load of piffle as regards 'regulars only', 'ive never seen you before' (to the regular), 'i do know your face' (to the one who'd never been there) and more rubbish. We were meeting other people there for a birthday otherwise I would have just not bothered going in. After some minutes of a power trip they let us in. There was a small amount of further discourtesy later on when one of the girls went to the loo, the bouncer took her stool to sit on by the dance floor and when she came back he told her it was a 'staff' stool - despite the fact she had been sitting on it all night.

    Anyway, I left and drove home later that evening and the next day i typed a very nice complaint letter, phoned the bar, asked for the owners name and contact address and posted it.

    I received a detailed reply where the owner referred to the bouncers as goons and thugs, assured me he would review his security arrangements (it was a security company hire - not his direct staff) and included a 50 euro voucher for a meal at any of his establishments.

    Complain people - if you are polite and the owner cares about his establishment you will get a response - otherwise vote with the feet and dont frequent places where you do not like the behaviour of the staff.

    On a more general note I usually find bouncers to be grand - just people doing a job.


  • #197
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    I attempted to enter a club in hollyhead wales a few years back. I made eye contact with the doorman and said howya. He obviously took a dislike to my accent, as he then proceded to shove me out the door point me in the direction of the port and say " The ferry is that way Paddy".


  • #198
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    I" The ferry is that way Paddy".

    He knew your name from your I.D. - did you make the boat?.


  • #199
    leggo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭leggo


    Tessa Huge Registrar wrote: »
    Yup, chicken sh*t, lazy dopes who can't make the call themselves so blame someone else.

    I get where you're coming from, but I wouldn't go that far. I haven't done it myself but wouldn't consider someone who did to be a chicken****...they're doing whatever they feel necessary to protect themselves. Bouncers should check their egos at the door and not worry about being 'chicken****s' or looking brave in front of the lads (I know that's not what you were saying...but it's worth noting).

    Just because the subject has gone down this path, as far as 'defaming' goes that's why you should never give an excuse as to why you're refusing someone. There's such a thin line and most aren't legally educated enough to know when they're crossing it. I also work in talk radio (where libel is one of your BIG worries) and it's still VERY tough to toe the line at times, even with that experience.

    Don't accuse them of anything, don't give them a reason, just say "Not tonight" and point to your right to refuse if they give you any more grief. You can speak to them like humans while you're doing this, "Look mate, I can't help you. Try some other club and come back here another night and you might be in luck. Cheers." If they continue to get their back up then just move them along quietly and ignore them.

    The more you talk, the more ammo you give them to use against you. When the law isn't on your side to begin with it's not in your best interest to chat to them.


  • #200
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    leggo wrote: »
    I get where you're coming from, but I wouldn't go that far. I haven't done it myself but wouldn't consider someone who did to be a chicken****...they're doing whatever they feel necessary to protect themselves. Bouncers should check their egos at the door and not worry about being 'chicken****s' or looking brave in front of the lads (I know that's not what you were saying...but it's worth noting).

    That would be a very weak door man.. You think a scumbag can't sense a little fear in a doorman, or a weak excuse.. If someone doesn't have the confidence to confidently supervise a door they'd be better employed working inside and not coming near the door.

    You don't have to give stupid excuses, if you've no other reason to let someone in who you'd rather leave outside, leave 'em outside.. Sooner or later they'll give you very good reason why they weren't for the club if your right. If your wrong, and they know the craic they'll stand quietly to the side and hope your man enough to realise you've made a cock up and give 'em the nod.

    'If in doubt, keep them out'.


  • #201
    Alter-Ego
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭Alter-Ego


    johnmcdnl wrote: »
    the biggest problem I have with bouncers are those north side dublin bouncers with the accent in dublin city center - I remember going out one night to one of the clubs and was stopped at the entrance by a bouncer..

    he asked me whether I was drinking much earlier in the thickest north side accent ever and I just had to say "sorry?" to him because I hadn't a notion what he'd said to me

    put straight of the queue and told to go home because I had too many that night despite me not even have as much as a drink that night :mad:
    In my experience the Dublin bouncers are way more courteous than the inbred muck savages from the rural part of the country that I grew up in.

    You had a lot of guys who didn't know you, making smart ass comments toward you on the way in, to get a reaction out of you so they had a reason to liven up their night. But that's what happens when somebody's cousin and sister are the same person.


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  • #202
    reddevilfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭reddevilfan


    seanybiker wrote: »
    so basically you went out and hopped in on a fight, a few of your mates jumped in aswell. You got the head kicked off ya so decided to try get the lads done? If ye got the better hand though it would have been grand.
    why cant people just laugh at their friends getting kicked out of somewhere and be done with it.

    what part of trying to break up the fight did you not read....?


  • #203
    UglyBolloxFace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭UglyBolloxFace


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Did he touch you at all?

    Lol. "Show us where he touched you little Timmy"

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSGN18-O6tcaZe0L50ADPTeokGHyW2b1gHnFzNyJ4Tj7bODIH7k&t=1


  • #204
    leggo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭leggo


    Tessa Huge Registrar wrote: »
    That would be a very weak door man.. You think a scumbag can't sense a little fear in a doorman, or a weak excuse.. If someone doesn't have the confidence to confidently supervise a door they'd be better employed working inside and not coming near the door.

    Agree in part. Yes, people can sense if you're afraid or fobbing them off with weak excuses to avoid confrontation and, yes, people will take advantage if you give them an inch on this.

    However, considering we can't say "Sorry mate, you're a scumbag" at the door...then a little leeway for waffle is acceptable if it deflects from a troublesome situation. As I said, my own stance is to be unapologetic, firm and don't offer ANY reason or room for negotiation...but also try treat them with courtesy if they deserve it (each case being different and all that).

    But I wouldn't consider someone weak or a chicken**** for just waffling a bit. Especially when telling the truth can lose you your job.


  • #205
    RussellTuring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    Oh I just remembered something that happened about a year ago. I went up to the entrance of a pub in town with a friend of mine who was celebrating her 21st. When we got there, the bouncer said to us "I'm not being funny or anything, but regulars only". I couldn't believe he actually used this one and even though I was already quite drunk at this stage, asked him how one became a regular with such a rule. He then let us in without further ado.

    Can anyone in the industry explain what happened here? I've written it off as someone who just wasn't sharp enough to come up with a response to my reasonable question but is there something I'm missing? If he had a genuine reason for refusing us surely he would have thought of some other excuse to refuse entry but he capitulated as soon as I challenged him.


  • #206
    Melion
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    RussellTuring wrote: »
    Oh I just remembered something that happened about a year ago. I went up to the entrance of a pub in town with a friend of mine who was celebrating her 21st. When we got there, the bouncer said to us "I'm not being funny or anything, but regulars only". I couldn't believe he actually used this one and even though I was already quite drunk at this stage, asked him how one became a regular with such a rule. He then let us in without further ado.

    Can anyone in the industry explain what happened here? I've written it off as someone who just wasn't sharp enough to come up with a response to my reasonable question but is there something I'm missing? If he had a genuine reason for refusing us surely he would have thought of some other excuse to refuse entry but he capitulated as soon as I challenged him.

    I use that when someone dodgy comes to the door. Not saying you or your friend look dodgy or anything like scumbags.


  • #207
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    RussellTuring wrote: »
    Can anyone in the industry explain what happened here? I've written it off as someone who just wasn't sharp enough to come up with a response to my reasonable question but is there something I'm missing?

    Your probably spot on there.

    But a lot of inexperienced lads use it too, after awhile they cop on that its idiocy.


  • #208
    Melion
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    Tessa Huge Registrar wrote: »
    Your probably spot on there.

    But a lot of inexperienced lads use it too, after awhile they cop on that its idiocy.

    I dont think im that inexperienced, obviously not as experienced as yourself but i think its a perfectly valid reason to stop scumbags entering a club.


  • #209
    RussellTuring
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭RussellTuring


    I can quite confidently say I look fairly respectable when I go out and am well-spoken at the worst of times, especially when talking to security. I just thought it was an amateurish reason and leaves you open to someone challenging you like I did. I just wondered what it was that stopped us from getting in at first but was forgotten about when I called him out on it. Is it possible he thought we were drunk and let us in when I demonstrated a bit of sense?


  • #210
    Milky Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Milky Moo


    A slight side track because I don't go to clubs anymore...I am 24 I will be 25 in sept I am a girl and I find it desperately hard to get served in off licenses! I don't have a drivers license and I will be damned if I carry my passport around with me!

    Many times I have had to walk away empty handed,Am I the only girl that goes through this!?!


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  • #211
    leggo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭leggo


    I hate the 'regulars' excuse...for the simple reason that there's the very easy counter argument that you used. I've had it used on me before by some amateur dicks and just say "Come on lads, these guys can obviously afford to turn away good business. Not that we're in a recession or anything."

    He's worse for giving in, though. Why would you respect him later if he asked you to stop acting the maggot or ANYTHING for that matter if he can cave that quickly?

    Either be good and have the sense/balls to do your job properly, ask to be moved off the door if you can't, or at least stick to your decisions when you make them.


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