Dublin Bus route 145 :(

Why not try it out for a week or two though instead of the union/staff rejecting it straight off? at least the company are putting ideas forward, all the union has done is reject it saying it wont work cant work etc as if they will not allow it work because it has not been accepted fully by the union.

It appears that Foggy_Lad has been away for a while and may not have been actually following events on the 145 and Phase 1 of Network Direct.

He may not actually realize that the "Trying Out" phase has been ongoing since the 19th September and that in the interim quite a few "Patches" and "Tweaks" have been applied.

It would appear that Foggy_Lad`s appreciation of the "Union" is derived somewhat from UK TV sitcom`s of the 1970`s and 80`s so perhaps he`s best left to bathe in this deep bath of knowledge.

For those other interested posters,Sick Cert`s outlining of the up to date situation is of no little significance.

Sick Cert posted.....

The new bill was withdrawn by the company at the last minute, THEN a similar bill was produced with no extra peak running time. Which has been in meeting since 930am this morning. The lack of extra peak time means this will also fail. Then the withdrawn bill will probadly pop up again.

The suggestion is that the "bill" presented by the Local Management team may not have been approved by the overall Network Direct team in Head Office.

Initial reports from other Garages appear to indicate that allocated running times are being considerably reduced in almost all cases as yet revealed.

The suggestion is that in attempting to return a semblance of order to the 145,local management may have breached some constraints of the Network Direct plan in terms of resource allocation.

This situation,of itself,should be sounding alarms in other areas of the Capital as it underlines the somewhat obvious reality that withdrawing 90 Buses and 150 Drivers is not in the least compatible with maintaining existing service levels.

It should also be borne in mind (except perhaps,by Foggy_Lad,who get`s a bye) that the current situation is not in the least of the Drivers making,and is in fact causing no little upset between individual drivers and their Union representatives.

The next major Test of Network Direct Phase 1 will come when the 10 Route is withdrawn,so the impetus really exists to fix this 145 situation,rapidly and permanently

Ding,Ding. :P

The funny thing about that is the 46A buses are still not making their time - even WITH the 10 still operating !!

Thats because,Bazzer2,It`s not a real test yet...just the mocks..

SickCert wrote: »

My snitch in the union says its going to HO sometime soon.

On another note my young lad wants a bike as he cant get home from UCD!
So there will be another seat on a VT from next week, the bike paid for by my compulsary overtime.:P

buy it through you work scheme and save some cash

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

tri axle on the 45 today, wouldn't of thought they could justify that

Definitely not!!! Madness.

SickCert wrote: »

Ive noticed that a few mornings in a row. Im told a switcheroo takes place if the driver awaiting at Eg' rd hasnt been VT trained.

what special training do you need to drive a VT?
its only slightly longer than a normal bus. shouldn't a general level of training equip you to drive everything except the bendies?

its only slightly longer than a normal bus. shouldn't a general level of training equip you to drive everything except the bendies?

In the old days Cookie,the answer would be Yes.

This is the 21st Century however and this is Ireland where we have embraced every possible permutation of EU/UK Health and Safety Leglislation to the very last comma.

The performance characteristics of the VT are somewhat different from the other DD`s in the fleet and on that score alone would merit some "familiarization" if not actual training.

This would not be solely a Dublin Bus situation,but is quite commonplace in the "Major" operators in the UK,who would have significant Health & Safety Departments with heads,assistant heads,deputy heads and so on and so forth whose job it is to ensure the H&S Statement is adhered to.

It is all based upon the absolute fear of the Company finding itself in the Courts with a tick not present in one of the many boxes......:rolleyes:

What amazes me however is when I visit mainland Europe,where stuff tends to simply Work,I see Public Transport operating at far higher risk levels than we would tolerate....but work it does...and the Europeans tend to live a bit longer than us...just to reinforce the point that a little risk keeps ya on the ball !! :eek:

KC61 wrote: »

Definitely not!!! Madness.

Hi all ( first post)
The tri axle on the 45 is to cater for the school in Stradbrook
Because Donnybrook scrapped the extra work bus in the mornings.
No need for it this morning though as school is on hols.

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

:rolleyes: oh for god sake.

soon you'll need a new licence for every different type of car you drive. A bus is a bus. they all have the same go pedal, stop pedal, wheel and misc controls. So they handle differently, so what. Even within class every bus will handle different depending on wear on components etc. deal with it and get on with it.

H&S BS

So you want to sign that off for the legal department so?

No, thought not!

Times have changed and particularly in the wake of the Wellington Quay incident the bus company is (rightly in my mind) insisting on the procedures being followed regarding training.

AlekSmart wrote: »

The reality of current life as experienced by us all,including even Foggy_People is that we exist in a hide-bound world of Health and Safety rules and regulations.

Amen to that, its the bane of modern life :mad:

It might be instructional for Foggy_Lad and others to do some research on how other entities,such as Airlines,Ferry Lines,and Trucking Companies

flying a plane or driving a ferry are slightly more advanced than a bus in fairness.

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

flying a plane or driving a ferry are slightly more advanced than a bus in fairness.

At the same time that bus driver is still responsible for the safety of the 70 + people on board - that is the same.

I always find it incredible that people diminish this sort of thing - if an untrained driver took a bus out and then had an accident as a result, reading posts here I would say that you and foggy lad would be the first out of the blocks complaining that safety procedures and training had not been completed.

You can't win!