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Dublin Bus route 145 :(

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭The_Wrecker


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    In a nutshell It appears that DB have found no substance to any of the negativity spoken about on these Boards,it`s all in yer imagination :o

    The wizard has said all will be revealed by Thursday!
    Them people who dont use buses call this site 'feedback'..........:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭CIE


    Bazzer2 wrote: »
    I can see from your reminiscence that you haven't been in Dublin for a while. Half an hour from Infirmary Road to O'Connell Bridge is pretty much par for the course
    With average speeds like that, one can perhaps surmise why I haven't been in Dublin for a while...(right?) And FTR, the average speed from Infirmary Road in particular that you're citing is even slower, at 5.5 mph, no better than brisk walking, and eating bicycles' dust.
    Bazzer2 wrote: »
    In addition to the 145, routes 25A, 25B (and 26 being very close by) also serve St. Stephen's Green
    They must go to/from Merrion Square via a route that I would consider to be counter-intuitive then...? Which way do they go there, via Kildare Street, St. Stephen's Green North, Baggot Street and Upper Merrion Street then? or is it outbound via Upper Merrion Street, Ely Place, Hume Street and St. Stephen's Green East/North to Dawson Street? The way I would take is the direct one, i.e. via Nassau Street, South Leinster Street and Clare Street to Merrion Square North, and back out via Clare Street, Lincoln Place and Westland Row to Pearse Street...too many twists and turns to make those routings reliable enough, but with DB, nothing would surprise me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 275 ✭✭Bazzer2


    CIE wrote: »
    With average speeds like that, one can perhaps surmise why I haven't been in Dublin for a while...(right?) And FTR, the average speed from Infirmary Road in particular that you're citing is even slower, at 5.5 mph, no better than brisk walking, and eating bicycles' dust.They must go to/from Merrion Square via a route that I would consider to be counter-intuitive then...? Which way do they go there, via Kildare Street, St. Stephen's Green North, Baggot Street and Upper Merrion Street then? or is it outbound via Upper Merrion Street, Ely Place, Hume Street and St. Stephen's Green East/North to Dawson Street? The way I would take is the direct one, i.e. via Nassau Street, South Leinster Street and Clare Street to Merrion Square North, and back out via Clare Street, Lincoln Place and Westland Row to Pearse Street...too many twists and turns to make those routings reliable enough, but with DB, nothing would surprise me.

    In some ways, I would envy you, not being in Dublin! ;)

    The 25A/B route inbound is Nassau Street, Kildare Street, Merrion Row, Upper Merrion Street to Merrion Square South. Outbound is (wait for it!) Merrion Square South, Fitzwilliam Street, Leeson Street, St. Stephen's Green East and North, Dawson Street, Suffolk Street, Westmoreland Street etc.

    The 26 route inbound is Nassau Street, Clare Street, Merrion Street to Merrion Square South. Outbound is Merrion Square South and North, Clare Street, Westland Row, Pearse Street, Westmoreland Street etc.

    Make of that what you will!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    Bazzer2 wrote: »
    In some ways, I would envy you, not being in Dublin! ;)

    The 25A/B route inbound is Nassau Street, Kildare Street, Merrion Row, Upper Merrion Street to Merrion Square South. Outbound is (wait for it!) Merrion Square South, Fitzwilliam Street, Leeson Street, St. Stephen's Green East and North, Dawson Street, Suffolk Street, Westmoreland Street etc.

    The 26 route inbound is Nassau Street, Clare Street, Merrion Street to Merrion Square South. Outbound is Merrion Square South and North, Clare Street, Westland Row, Pearse Street, Westmoreland Street etc.

    Make of that what you will!
    that's a bloody mess! why are the outbound 25s and 26s doing a circuit of the busiest traffic spot in the city?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,419 ✭✭✭Cool Mo D


    The 25A/B should really use Ely Place and Hume street. There's even a bus lane on Hume street already.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭CIE


    Bazzer2 wrote: »
    In some ways, I would envy you, not being in Dublin! ;)

    The 25A/B route inbound is Nassau Street, Kildare Street, Merrion Row, Upper Merrion Street to Merrion Square South. Outbound is (wait for it!) Merrion Square South, Fitzwilliam Street, Leeson Street, St. Stephen's Green East and North, Dawson Street, Suffolk Street, Westmoreland Street etc.

    The 26 route inbound is Nassau Street, Clare Street, Merrion Street to Merrion Square South. Outbound is Merrion Square South and North, Clare Street, Westland Row, Pearse Street, Westmoreland Street etc.

    Make of that what you will!
    Made me reach for the Hedex bottle is what it did for me...

    But you can certainly imagine the confusion someone who has been out of town for a while will face, especially when you think you know the bus system and radical changes have been afoot. You're looking for the 45 bus to Bray around the quays (Burgh Quay or Eden Quay as in the past; I didn't get to see it leave from Corn Exchange Place of all streets, and that was the closest it got to returning to the old Poolbeg Street terminus), and then are told that you have to hoof it to Merrion Square to catch it, and that nowadays it runs every 45 minutes on the weekday compared to every 10-15 minutes some years ago. Then, your knowledgeable company assistant that you were lucky to have met directs you to catch the 145 as an alternative, which now runs on the quays west of O'Connell Bridge and the bus stop you need is on D'Olier Street. (You vaguely remember hearing or reading about that route 145, and something about running from Parnell Square or Mountjoy Square or one of those squares on the north side. Or wait; wasn't the 145 actually the bus route that ran between Ballywaltrim and Palermo Estate?!?) Just as you head towards the bus stop for that route, you remember that the 84 also goes to Bray and ask where its bus stop is...only to hear that it's all the way down in Belfield instead of College Street, so forget that route as a backup...(BTW, does the 84 still serve Sea Road in Kilcoole?)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭stop


    CIE wrote: »
    BTW, does the 84 still serve Sea Road in Kilcoole?
    Yes, according to DB's bus stop map... in real world.. who knows?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    foggy_lad wrote: »
    that's a bloody mess! why are the outbound 25s and 26s doing a circuit of the busiest traffic spot in the city?

    Interestingly,although not at all surprisingly,the 26,66 & 67 routing is allowing it to operate at a functionality well in excess of the poor oul 25`s.

    The entire methodology behind the Wilton Tce/Fitzwilliam Place/Leeson St routing really needs to be reassessed as a matter of urgency as it is doing little for the viability of the "Improved" route.

    Although,as the promised "review" appears to have found the Lucan Corridor ND routes to be working just fine,there now appears no opportunity for any more suggestions to be taken on board...:(


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭pclive


    Hey AlexSmart, what is the issue with the Wilton Tce/Fitzwilliam Place/Leeson St routing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    What is the issue with the Wilton Tce/Fitzwilliam Place/Leeson St routing?

    The biggest issue is the problem of accessing the Leeson St QBC inbound.
    That relatively short stretch from Wilton via Fitzwilliam to turn right on to Leeson St can be a nightmare as it has no Bus Priority at all allocated to it.

    Personally I would have placed a far greater focus on the "Burlington Hotel" triangle as a potential terminus,which,of course,would have impacted upon the Taxi Fraternity but would have allowed a far more direct alignment with the QBC.:)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,394 ✭✭✭markpb


    CIE wrote: »
    But you can certainly imagine the confusion someone who has been out of town for a while will face, especially when you think you know the bus system and radical changes have been afoot.

    Anyone who has been out of town for a while should look up the bus routes before arriving back in Dublin :) I know I certainly do when visiting cities that I haven't been to in a while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭KD345


    CIE wrote: »

    But you can certainly imagine the confusion someone who has been out of town for a while will face, especially when you think you know the bus system and radical changes have been afoot...

    To be fair, Dublin itself has changed dramatically over the last few years. It's not just the buses which are different. There are new towns, bridges, infrastructure, Luas etc. Naturally, this all affects the bus routes.

    It's funny, when Dublin Bus left buses parked on the quays people complained about time wastage and parking issues, but when they redesign a route, people don't like to accept that it has changed for a reason.

    Look at Abbey Street, it used to be a bus terminus for west Dublin and North Kildare, but now it's a Luas line. People in Bray prefer the 145 to the 45, so it's now the more frequent route. The Luas has forced bus changes in Tallaght, Ballinteer and Dundrum etc.

    If you are returning to Dublin, maybe check out the Dublin Bus website for your route. It's not all that difficult to manage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 453 ✭✭pclive


    The timings at the lights on Leeson Street seemed to have changed when the bus routes when in on Fitzwilliam Place there is seldom any delay now getting onto Leeson Street
    There used to be long delays but there were no buses on it then


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭genie_us


    Bazzer2 wrote: »
    Amazing how the crowds at Heuston barrel onto the haphazard 145, when just around the corner on Johns Road, there's the semi-regularity of the 25A, 25B, 26, 78, 79 and 79A. :p

    If you're not a seasoned commuter then you won't be aware at all of the 25s etc.
    Also, the service FROM Heuston isn't really an issue (for me at least), it is usually there when we get off the train so I've no problem with that. But regardless of that, our annual rail ticket includes bus but only on the 145, even if you get another bus on the same route your ticket is not valid and so why should we pay twice! Especially when what we've paid for does not deliver the service it should.

    In the evenings I have to hop on a 25 or else a 140 to Westmoreland st sometimes if the 145s don't stop on Leeson St, and its really annoying!

    I really hope they get something sorted and soon :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,953 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    markpb wrote: »
    Anyone who has been out of town for a while should look up the bus routes before arriving back in Dublin :) I know I certainly do when visiting cities that I haven't been to in a while.
    tried doing that last weekend.

    Still couldnt figure out what the story was - so walked - and taxied.

    Just glad the hotel had free internet. Would have been annoyed to have wasted money looking up unfathomable bus information. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,623 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    That route planner is actually worse than useless. It provides stupid and sometimes insane directions on how to do simple routes. I remember tdoing it between two local points around here (Cabinteely / Killiney) and DART via Pearse was part of the solution :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 250 ✭✭bg07


    So has the 145 service improved since the extra buses were added to the route to improve reliability?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    Not really, still the situation of none for ages (though I have to say it has went down from 30 min to 20!) then 4 at once!

    Trying to get out of town is still hell. Whatever is going on in Heuston, I have been there waiting for buses and only half of them are collecting people there, even though they are supposed to collect people there. It is really annoying!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,872 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Is this in the last week? The new roster only started on the 10th of April.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    lxflyer wrote: »
    Is this in the last week? The new roster only started on the 10th of April.

    Last Tuesday I was waiting at the Loughlinstown by-pass stop for 20 min, I could see the bus stop for 10 min before I completely my journey to it, in that 10 minutes 2 buses went by altogether (One was a 45 and the other a 145) and the 20 min wait while I was there, the only one that passed was a 84 (which went up to Cherrywood) and then 3 145's cane together. This was at 10am.

    I know the 7-9am buses are very frequent though!

    i have noticed that if you are waiting on D'Olier street/the back of Trinity, the 145 is as frequent, but I have to say the Heuston stop is quite annoying!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭genie_us


    I have noticed a slight improvement in that they're not as jammed so at least when one does come I can get on it! (From Leeson st bridge to Heuston which is where I had the problems)

    As for how regular they are, it does still seem to be bunches of them together then nothing for ages. But the main thing is since Christmas I haven't missed my train home. For me anyway.

    I also noticed that for the last 3 weeks or so there has been a different conductor guy and I think he's much better. The other fella (little fella with beard) always stops you at O'Connell bridge and makes you get onto another 145 which was really annoying - sounds stupid but this would add another 5-10 minutes which is a lot when you're timing it for a train. Anyway this new fella doesn't do that so there is less interruption. Also in the mornings now at Heuston there seems to be 145s every day whereas before the odd morning it would be an 'out of service' which would do the old 92 route to Wilton Terrace just dropping people off.
    So I'm definitely happier than I was when I started this thread! I betcha I just jinxed it and it will be disastrous this evening... :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,623 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    and then 3 145's came together. This was at 10am.

    nearly every morning on my 8 minute commute down the N11 from Cabinteely there is a similar situation. Today there were 3 145 nose to tail at Cherrywood, normally there's at least a big of a gap and a 45 in between them. @ 7.45 am


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,872 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    genie_us wrote: »
    I have noticed a slight improvement in that they're not as jammed so at least when one does come I can get on it! (From Leeson st bridge to Heuston which is where I had the problems)

    As for how regular they are, it does still seem to be bunches of them together then nothing for ages. But the main thing is since Christmas I haven't missed my train home. For me anyway.

    I also noticed that for the last 3 weeks or so there has been a different conductor guy and I think he's much better. The other fella (little fella with beard) always stops you at O'Connell bridge and makes you get onto another 145 which was really annoying - sounds stupid but this would add another 5-10 minutes which is a lot when you're timing it for a train. Anyway this new fella doesn't do that so there is less interruption. Also in the mornings now at Heuston there seems to be 145s every day whereas before the odd morning it would be an 'out of service' which would do the old 92 route to Wilton Terrace just dropping people off.
    So I'm definitely happier than I was when I started this thread! I betcha I just jinxed it and it will be disastrous this evening... :P

    Eh conductors went a long time ago. Those guys are inspectors!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,872 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    nearly every morning on my 8 minute commute down the N11 from Cabinteely there is a similar situation. Today there were 3 145 nose to tail at Cherrywood, normally there's at least a big of a gap and a 45 in between them. @ 7.45 am

    There may also be extras from Loughlinstown - if I remember correctly that was where they were feeding into the route.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭dazmetron


    lxflyer wrote: »
    There may also be extras from Loughlinstown - if I remember correctly that was where they were feeding into the route.

    There are certainly still extra buses joining the 145 route either at Loughlinstown or from Little Bray although possibly there are fewer VTs now as some have moved to the 84x morning service. I think it has improved the evening rushhour service from Nassau st: in the last week, I haven't been waiting as long for a bus as previous (no doubt I will head now and be waiting half an hour :)).

    Don't forget this week and next, the schools are off so there is less traffic and less demand on the route as well. For example, the extra VT at7.40 approx. from Loughlinstown wasn't needed this morning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    I assume that will come over the bridge and down at Cherrywood, if thats the case I will be watching it go by, as I am that stop just before that! Er sure, thats the luck of the draw!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,872 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    No I think they start at Loughlinstown Hospital...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭dazmetron


    lxflyer wrote: »
    No I think they start at Loughlinstown Hospital...

    You can often see a bus parked before the southbound Loughlinstown hospital stop. That way they can swing around the roundabout and go back towards town. There is also often one parked outside St Brendan's beside the Bray / Shankill roundabout


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,623 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    lxflyer wrote: »
    There may also be extras from Loughlinstown - if I remember correctly that was where they were feeding into the route.

    ah ok, may justify some of them then, esp if at 7.40, I assume that's one of the ones I see daily


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭The_Wrecker


    ah ok, may justify some of them then, esp if at 7.40, I assume that's one of the ones I see daily

    I was a passenger on the 750am Euro this morning and it made its money no problem.


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