Dublin Bus route 145 :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WRMd6kQ0nE

Why not try it out for a week or two though instead of the union/staff rejecting it straight off? at least the company are putting ideas forward, all the union has done is reject it saying it wont work cant work etc as if they will not allow it work because it has not been accepted fully by the union.

It appears that Foggy_Lad has been away for a while and may not have been actually following events on the 145 and Phase 1 of Network Direct.

He may not actually realize that the "Trying Out" phase has been ongoing since the 19th September and that in the interim quite a few "Patches" and "Tweaks" have been applied.

It would appear that Foggy_Lad`s appreciation of the "Union" is derived somewhat from UK TV sitcom`s of the 1970`s and 80`s so perhaps he`s best left to bathe in this deep bath of knowledge.

For those other interested posters,Sick Cert`s outlining of the up to date situation is of no little significance.

Sick Cert posted.....

The new bill was withdrawn by the company at the last minute, THEN a similar bill was produced with no extra peak running time. Which has been in meeting since 930am this morning. The lack of extra peak time means this will also fail. Then the withdrawn bill will probadly pop up again.

The suggestion is that the "bill" presented by the Local Management team may not have been approved by the overall Network Direct team in Head Office.

Initial reports from other Garages appear to indicate that allocated running times are being considerably reduced in almost all cases as yet revealed.

The suggestion is that in attempting to return a semblance of order to the 145,local management may have breached some constraints of the Network Direct plan in terms of resource allocation.

This situation,of itself,should be sounding alarms in other areas of the Capital as it underlines the somewhat obvious reality that withdrawing 90 Buses and 150 Drivers is not in the least compatible with maintaining existing service levels.

It should also be borne in mind (except perhaps,by Foggy_Lad,who get`s a bye) that the current situation is not in the least of the Drivers making,and is in fact causing no little upset between individual drivers and their Union representatives.

The next major Test of Network Direct Phase 1 will come when the 10 Route is withdrawn,so the impetus really exists to fix this 145 situation,rapidly and permanently

foggy_lad

this whole thing reminds me of the series "on the busses" and the movies that went with the series:D

Ding,Ding. :P

Bazzer2

AlekSmart wrote: »

The next major Test of Network Direct Phase 1 will come when the 10 Route is withdrawn,so the impetus really exists to fix this 145 situation,rapidly and permanently

The funny thing about that is the 46A buses are still not making their time - even WITH the 10 still operating !!

The funny thing about that is the 46A buses are still not making their time - even WITH the 10 still operating !!

Thats because,Bazzer2,It`s not a real test yet...just the mocks..

My snitch in the union says its going to HO sometime soon.

On another note my young lad wants a bike as he cant get home from UCD!
So there will be another seat on a VT from next week, the bike paid for by my compulsary overtime.:P

SickCert wrote: »

My snitch in the union says its going to HO sometime soon.

On another note my young lad wants a bike as he cant get home from UCD!
So there will be another seat on a VT from next week, the bike paid for by my compulsary overtime.:P

buy it through you work scheme and save some cash

devnull

Ridiculous, so they spent a few days studying things, decided things were broken, came up with a plan, and a week or two later decided that actually they were not broken and we went back to square one? Christ, I'm sorry to say it but we are not getting anywhere.

When the 467 had it's changes, it seems that we thought the Rock Road and Ballsbridge corridor along with the 145 to Heuston may be sorted out, but it seems actually nothing is going to happen now, despite their are obvious passengers? Do they really want to drive their customers away, crazy.

Also I read elsewhere that Dublin Bus is tendering for new vehicles subject to financing So let me get this right they are withdrawing 120 vehicles as part of network direct, will sell them and keep the money to themselves then want to use taxpayers money to buy more vehicles, maybe I'm missing something but why the hell should my taxes pay for that.

And before someone asks they need higher capacity buses, because routes are flooding, the problem has nothing to do with too small buses, it has to do with withdrawing too many buses and cutting frequencies and changing timetables.

Ginny

Theres been a Private Hire bus with a good few passengers on it passing UCD in the evenings, it flew by the fly over last night, funnily enough I got on a bus straight after and there it was sitting at Donnybrook, but it had miraculously turned into a 145 with the same passengers on it.

tri axle on the 45 today, wouldn't of thought they could justify that

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

tri axle on the 45 today, wouldn't of thought they could justify that

Definitely not!!! Madness.

Ginny wrote: »

Theres been a Private Hire bus with a good few passengers on it passing UCD in the evenings, it flew by the fly over last night, funnily enough I got on a bus straight after and there it was sitting at Donnybrook, but it had miraculously turned into a 145 with the same passengers on it.

They do that so they dont pay us for late breaking.
Your sacrafice saves them €13.

KC61 wrote: »

Definitely not!!! Madness.

Ive noticed that a few mornings in a row. Im told a switcheroo takes place if the driver awaiting at Eg' rd hasnt been VT trained.

thomasj

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

tri axle on the 45 today, wouldn't of thought they could justify that

Maybe there could have been some justification if it served the trinity college and Nassau street stops but it doesn't.....!

SickCert wrote: »

Ive noticed that a few mornings in a row. Im told a switcheroo takes place if the driver awaiting at Eg' rd hasnt been VT trained.

what special training do you need to drive a VT?
its only slightly longer than a normal bus. shouldn't a general level of training equip you to drive everything except the bendies?

Each bus type has different characteristics and drivers need to be "type trained" before they can take them out on the streets. Most Donnybrook drivers would not have required VT training as it was restricted to the 46a.

its only slightly longer than a normal bus. shouldn't a general level of training equip you to drive everything except the bendies?

In the old days Cookie,the answer would be Yes.

This is the 21st Century however and this is Ireland where we have embraced every possible permutation of EU/UK Health and Safety Leglislation to the very last comma.

The performance characteristics of the VT are somewhat different from the other DD`s in the fleet and on that score alone would merit some "familiarization" if not actual training.

This would not be solely a Dublin Bus situation,but is quite commonplace in the "Major" operators in the UK,who would have significant Health & Safety Departments with heads,assistant heads,deputy heads and so on and so forth whose job it is to ensure the H&S Statement is adhered to.

It is all based upon the absolute fear of the Company finding itself in the Courts with a tick not present in one of the many boxes......:rolleyes:

What amazes me however is when I visit mainland Europe,where stuff tends to simply Work,I see Public Transport operating at far higher risk levels than we would tolerate....but work it does...and the Europeans tend to live a bit longer than us...just to reinforce the point that a little risk keeps ya on the ball !! :eek:

KC61 wrote: »

Each bus type has different characteristics and drivers need to be "type trained" before they can take them out on the streets. Most Donnybrook drivers would not have required VT training as it was restricted to the 46a.

:rolleyes: oh for god sake.

soon you'll need a new licence for every different type of car you drive. A bus is a bus. they all have the same go pedal, stop pedal, wheel and misc controls. So they handle differently, so what. Even within class every bus will handle different depending on wear on components etc. deal with it and get on with it.

H&S BS

Tickityboo

KC61 wrote: »

Definitely not!!! Madness.

Hi all ( first post)
The tri axle on the 45 is to cater for the school in Stradbrook
Because Donnybrook scrapped the extra work bus in the mornings.
No need for it this morning though as school is on hols.

Tickityboo wrote: »

No need for it this morning though as school is on hols.

quite true, there were maybe 5-10 people on it at Cabinteely

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

:rolleyes: oh for god sake.

soon you'll need a new licence for every different type of car you drive. A bus is a bus. they all have the same go pedal, stop pedal, wheel and misc controls. So they handle differently, so what. Even within class every bus will handle different depending on wear on components etc. deal with it and get on with it.

H&S BS

So you want to sign that off for the legal department so?

No, thought not!

Times have changed and particularly in the wake of the Wellington Quay incident the bus company is (rightly in my mind) insisting on the procedures being followed regarding training.

KC61 wrote: »

Times have changed and particularly in the wake of the Wellington Quay incident the bus company is (rightly in my mind) insisting on the procedures being followed regarding training.

well train them on VTs when doing every other type, should only add an hour max of driving to the training to fully understand the minor differences compared to other classes.

I still don't really see the need though, only ~1.6m longer than other classes, that's not a whole lot and actually narrower than an EV

dfx-

Even sitting in a VT is a very different experience, never mind driving it..

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

well train them on VTs when doing every other type, should only add an hour max of driving to the training to fully understand the minor differences compared to other classes.

I still don't really see the need though, only ~1.6m longer than other classes, that's not a whole lot and actually narrower than an EV

Every type of bus since the arrival of the AV's in 2000 has come with type training and a printed manual!

foggy_lad

This is what drivers get paid for isn't it? Are they not professionals who are able to adapt and learn to drive different vehicles or are they just cie dinosaurs that are lost in anything newer than bombardier?

Are they not professionals who are able to adapt and learn to drive different vehicles or are they just cie dinosaurs that are lost in anything newer than bombardier?

I fear,Foggy_Laddicus,the only dinasore(!) may well be yourself...:rolleyes:

The reality of current life as experienced by us all,including even Foggy_People is that we exist in a hide-bound world of Health and Safety rules and regulations.

Many of these serve little purpose save to keep an administrator in a job (Of Sorts) and to further deplete the worlds timber resources.

If I were to take a Bus into service which I had not been recorded as recieving type-training on,usually an hours familiarization with an Instructor,I would be grounded immediately even if I had a full load of Foggy_Lad`s sitting on board foaming at the mouth.

This aspect Foggy,is merely life as we are required to live it in 21st Century Ireland.

It has little to do with proffessionalism or real concern for safety,if it had,the issue of the lunactic placement of the Bus-Stop at Arran Quay/Church Street junction would not even arise.

It might be instructional for Foggy_Lad and others to do some research on how other entities,such as Airlines,Ferry Lines,and Trucking Companies approach their Training and Familiarization requirements before launching forth with (yet more) "down with CIE stuff"..........on second thoughts forget CIE...."Down with everything" is probably more accurate......Oh and ...."Have a Nice Day now,Y`hear "

AlekSmart wrote: »

The reality of current life as experienced by us all,including even Foggy_People is that we exist in a hide-bound world of Health and Safety rules and regulations.

Amen to that, its the bane of modern life

:mad:

It might be instructional for Foggy_Lad and others to do some research on how other entities,such as Airlines,Ferry Lines,and Trucking Companies

flying a plane or driving a ferry are slightly more advanced than a bus in fairness.

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

well train them on VTs when doing every other type, should only add an hour max of driving to the training to fully understand the minor differences compared to other classes.

I still don't really see the need though, only ~1.6m longer than other classes, that's not a whole lot and actually narrower than an EV

They are training them - the issue is that virtually all Donnybrook 1 drivers would not have driven them before as they were restricted to the 46a (which operates from Donnybrook 2) and as such would not have needed the training.