N11/N25 - Oilgate to Rosslare Harbour [route options published]

PoolDude · 28-11-2009 10:16pm #1

Anyone heard any news on these projects?

jd · 09-03-2010 12:30am

Constraints study for N11/N25 Oylegate-Rosslare

http://www.wexford.ie/wex/Departments/Roads/NationalRoadsLiaisonOffice/OilgateRosslareHarbourProject/

thedarkroom · 09-03-2010 10:26am

D.L.R. wrote: »

I agree, but I'm not talking about the need for the scheme, I'm talking about its poor alignment. I think its actually two projects amalgamated, and the old part has obviously not been revised. That's what our planning system precludes - common sense and flexibility. Not a blade of grass has been touched yet, and they've already made a meal of it... :rolleyes:

I'm sure a lot of political pressure might be involved too. It would be interesting to see what tracks of land were rezoned in the last published development plans and how they might overlap any of the proposed routes. If land is rezoned from agricultural to development then the value soars. This happened in Gorey when the current by-pass was at proposal stage and some people made a lot more money out of it due to re-zoning.
This could be a factor here too in deciding the final route.
As regards legal challenges, while I don't know what case was put forward as to why the scheme should be stopped, I sometimes think that some people have too much time on their hands. I also thing that the question of funding these challenges should be revisited. Sweetman will probably not have to pay for this on the grounds that he was acting in the public interest and therefore would have his costs covered by the state (us).

nordydan · 09-06-2010 10:46am

Not technically N11 but they are sticking a new roundabout here at the junction of the N25/R740

Maybe an online (where possible) upgrade to D2AP to Rosslare

Plan is 2+2 from the end of the Enniscorthy Bypass to Rosslare

http://www.wexford.ie/wex/Departments/Roads/NationalRoadsLiaisonOffice/OilgateRosslareHarbourProject/

Edit: Project status document here

jd · 09-06-2010 11:00am

invinciblePRSTV wrote: »

How much freight & passenger traffic is Rosslare getting these days anyway? particularly in comparison to the State's other ports located in or near urban areas? seems to me the idea of building & maintaining connections to Rosslare by Motorway & Rail is a product of 20 Century Shannon style thinking.

_ 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009
Ship Visits 2,376 2,338 2,208 2,146 2,184 1,981 2,077 2,005 2,010 2,017 1,990
Total passenger vehicles 363,031 370,126 320,685 338,180 321,535 310,507 283,834 282,289 324,998 307,059 293,707
Total passengers 1,389,207 1,344,881 1,228,454 1,261,447 1,174,672 1,107,972 1,021,814 1,002,526 1,074,902 1,000,319 946,623
Total freight 100,688 104,171 107,507 107,571 112,370 126,350 137,482 156,515 167,968 156,461 133,508
Trade vehicles 50,295 68,594 54,717 48,319 30,179 34,863 31,536 29,102 25,739 17,116 8,243

jd · 09-06-2010 6:40pm

Interestingly the E30 is a main route (Cork-Rosslare), part of Oylgate - Rosslare would be the E30

Some interesting stuff there
eg

Design speed (km/h) 60 80 100 120 140
Minimum radii in plane* 120 240 450 650 1000

*(corresponding to
maximum superelevation 7%)

I wonder ho3w tight is a radius of 650 metres

jd · 09-06-2010 6:58pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

See list of signatories and jump to Annex 2 for a shufty. But as the road does not carry over 600 vehicles an hour....even whan the ferry arrives.

2007 figures here http://www.wexford.ie/ConstraintsStudy/Constraints%20Study%20Rev%20B/Constraints%20Study%20Report%20Part%20A%20Rev%20B.pdf

ADT
Oilgate- Wexford about 17k

Wexford Town By pass about the same (1 section has 18k )

Drops down to about 8k at Kilrane!

Sponge Bob · 09-06-2010 7:35pm

jd wrote: »

2007 figures here http://www.wexford.ie/ConstraintsStudy/Constraints%20Study%20Rev%20B/Constraints%20Study%20Report%20Part%20A%20Rev%20B.pdf

ADT
Oilgate- Wexford about 17k

Wexford Town By pass about the same (1 section has 18k )

Busier than I thought to the north TBH , had seen the counter data near Rosslare.

Chris_5339762 · 09-06-2010 7:38pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Rosslare has slowly declined in importance over the past 20 years. Only 1000 vehicles a day used it (through) in 1999 and that is now 800 vehicles a day.

A couple of 2+2 online passing stretches between Rosslare and Oilgate would suffice in my opinion.

Anyway the Rosslare - Oilgate scheme is one of the 90+ schemes the greens have kyboshed in the October programme for government not that any Wexford FFer will admit that.

Did you manage to get a list of those 90+ schemes Bob??

Sponge Bob · 09-06-2010 7:51pm

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Did you manage to get a list of those 90+ schemes Bob??

Nope , I asked O Brolcháin and he never sent them on...anybody know a green around here

Wild Bill · 09-06-2010 8:22pm

123easy wrote: »

Had a look at the M11 Enniscorthy PPP scheme, surely there are other parts of the country more deserving of a bypass than Ennisocrthy is of a motorway.

As it is a PPP I reckon "commercially attractive" is more important than "deserving". :cool:

jd · 16-06-2010 12:58pm

The local papers report that there are 8 possible routes outlined for Oylegate - Rosslare. Two of them to the west of the Forth Mountain, and two through the heritage park at Ferrycarrig! There is a leaflet available with these routes from Wexford Co Co, I'll scan and post when I get a copy.

nordydan · 16-06-2010 1:11pm

jd wrote: »

The local papers report that there are 8 possible routes outlined for Oylegate - Rosslare. Two of them to the west of the Forth Mountain, and two through the heritage park at Ferrycarrig! There is a leaflet available with these routes from Wexford Co Co, I'll scan and post when I get a copy.

Map here:

http://www.wexford.ie/wex/Departments/Roads/NationalRoadsLiaisonOffice/OilgateRosslareHarbourProject/Thefile,15162,en.pdf

jd · 16-06-2010 1:57pm

Thanks Nordy. Anyone have any thoughts on the proposed routes? Its fairly apparent why the Enniscorthy By pass would end north of Oylegate, the same range of possible routes wouldn't be available

Pete_Cavan · 16-06-2010 2:01pm

I dont know much about this project, is it going to be duel carriageway?

nordydan · 16-06-2010 2:09pm

Your welcome freestater.

I'd say 2+2 is the most likely cross-section.

jd · 16-06-2010 2:10pm

Should be DC, doubtful whether it should be motorway. Moot anyway, won't be built for the foreseeable future.

Jayuu · 17-06-2010 2:08am

It would be fairly pointless if they didn't make it at least 2+2. South of Oilgate there isn't that much to bypass so there's no point in building a single lane road, we might as well keep the existing one.

Looking at the options I would rule out Route G and Route H fairly quickly as they seem to cross the N25 way out from Wexford so a junction for the town here would really still leave you quite a distance from it. Not the best idea if you ask me.

The problem with Route A and Route B is that they seem to follow the current N11/N25 for almost the whole way. I assume these then would be just upgrades of that road, in which case the road could never be upgraded to motorway because we'd have no alternative route. Route D also seems to follow the N25 south of Wexford so again if this was just an upgrade I don't think it would be preferable.

Route F seems to be quite a twisty option so I'd rule that one out. That leaves Route C or Route E and I think either of them would be acceptable.

jd · 19-06-2010 12:55am

Advantage of Route C is is that is is that little bit further out from Wexford town. The town has grown out as far as the current by-pass in places, and that increases the local traffic using it to get from one part of town to the other.

jd · 19-06-2010 10:30pm

This scheme also includes a realignment of the N25 from Larkins Cross going north of Barntown

L1011 · 20-06-2010 5:18pm

Does that mean that what will be the very last Mother Hubbards left on an N road gets bypassed too? They've not been very lucky with that so far!

nordydan · 21-06-2010 10:02pm

More information here on Wicklow County Council website

Includes an interesting study here. The option for the link road between Kilmacanogue and the Bray Southern Cross Route is particularly interesting. I calculate it at 1.5km long, and it would sort out that garage and the remaining at grade private accesses southbound on the N11.

gym_mom · 22-06-2010 3:33pm

Well route H goes straight through my garden so if anyone has any knowledge of any reasons why that's not a good route please post here. We need all the amunition we can get. God, you build in the country to get away from all the noise, fumes, traffic and then wham someone throws a granade like this at you. To say we're shocked is an understatement.:eek:

Alun · 22-06-2010 3:41pm

nordydan wrote: »

More information here on Wicklow County Council website

Includes an interesting study here. The option for the link road between Kilmacanogue and the Bray Southern Cross Route is particularly interesting. I calculate it at 1.5km long, and it would sort out that garage and the remaining at grade private accesses southbound on the N11.

I'm flabbergasted. What on earth are they thinking about replacing the two roundabouts at the Killarney Rd. junction with traffic lights!? How will that improve things?

EDIT: after reading the report it seems there'll be all kinds of traffic movement detectors and clever algorithms let loose on the traffic light system to ensure that tailbacks are kept to a minimum. I'll believe it when I see it TBH.

Also, while I'm not against improving the length of various merge lanes on that stretch, maybe educating Irish drivers in proper merging techniques might deliver more results in the long run. The number of idiots attempting to merge at speeds of 50km/h or less, accompanied by frenzied braking from the inside lane who seem afraid to travel at anything over 80km/h is what causes most of the problems there IMO.

Stark · 22-06-2010 4:01pm

gym_mom wrote: »

Well route H goes straight through my garden so if anyone has any knowledge of any reasons why that's not a good route please post here. We need all the amunition we can get.

Sure, anything to help a NIMBY out.

Sponge Bob · 22-06-2010 4:10pm

This here forum is generally not for NIMBYs ...and as for BANANAs

Amtmann · 22-06-2010 4:22pm

gym_mom wrote: »

Well route H goes straight through my garden so if anyone has any knowledge of any reasons why that's not a good route please post here. We need all the amunition we can get. God, you build in the country to get away from all the noise, fumes, traffic and then wham someone throws a granade like this at you. To say we're shocked is an understatement.:eek:

Stark wrote: »

Sure, anything to help a NIMBY out.

Sponge Bob wrote: »

This here forum is generally not for NIMBYs ...and as for BANANAs

This forum is for anyone who wants to participate. I can certainly understand the shock at being told a motorway is to be built outside your front door - after all, the M8 is just 200m from my front door in Tipp. All I would say to you, gym_mom, is to get involved with the designers, and ask for mitigation works to be put in place. Get them to place bunds are scores of trees in place between your house and the M11. You can't stop it, so you need to work with the designers constructively to ensure the motorway affects your household as little as possible. Demand additional planting, get those bunds in place, and don't be too recalcitrant. Work with the design team, not against them.

Sponge Bob · 22-06-2010 4:26pm

Or else work with everyone on THAT route to prove ANOTHER route is better..and why.

Going to local meeting rantathons is the worst way to do this as I know from seeing them in action. The group should have a civil engineer onboard.

Mitigation occurs after route selection not before.

gym_mom · 22-06-2010 4:31pm

Just to clarify the motorway isn't going to be built outside my front door. The proposed route would mean the loss of my home that I have lived in for many years and am very happy in. They will have to knock the house and we would have to go elsewhere. So I make no apology for being upset, shocked and horrified at the possibility of losing the home I love in place of a road that is not even necessary given the good state of the current N11 from Enniscorthy to Rosslare.

Amtmann · 22-06-2010 4:33pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Or else work with everyone on THAT route to prove ANOTHER route is better..and why.

Going to local meeting rantathons is the worst way to do this as I know from seeing them in action. The group should have a civil engineer onboard.

Mitigation occurs after route selection not before.

Agreed. Assuming the route is ultimately selected and it runs through her lawn, then she needs to influence the design to ensure maximum mitigation.

If they are to organise a meeting against a certain route, better reasons need to be offered than "I don't want it in my back yard". That won't fly!

Amtmann · 22-06-2010 4:36pm

gym_mom wrote: »

Just to clarify the motorway isn't going to be built outside my front door. The proposed route would mean the loss of my home that I have lived in for many years and am very happy in. They will have to knock the house and we would have to go elsewhere. So I make no apology for being upset, shocked and horrified at the possibility of losing the home I love in place of a road that is not even necessary given the good state of the current N11 from Enniscorthy to Rosslare.

I can empathise. At an individual level, it is a horrifying prospect. You are unlucky. But again, being rational about it, that won't be enough to stop the road being built. In general, the amount of houses having to be knocked to make way for motorways is pretty small, all things considered; routes are chosen to avoid as many houses as possible.

gym_mom · 22-06-2010 4:40pm

Furet wrote: »

I can empathise. At an individual level, it is a horrifying prospect. You are unlucky. But again, being rational about it, that won't be enough to stop the road being built. In general, the amount of houses having to be knocked to make way for motorways is pretty small, all things considered; routes are chosen to avoid as many houses as possible.

I know that, but they are asking for questionaires from those affected and we and the neighbours will do the best we can to come up with any real objections, that being water quality, pollution etc.. Nobody can stand in judgemnet against anyone who is facing the prospect of losing their home. People on all the other routes will be doing the same so we have to at least have a go.

Sponge Bob · 22-06-2010 4:43pm

Your argument is against the route for now, IF the route is chosen then you may well get the road diverted up to 100m away from your house in the mitigation phase even though it is now on the route.

Get a civil engineer ( cheap nowadays) and let that engineer fill out the questionnaires for all of you rather than let yourselves do it. You must attack the route ....for now.

Amtmann · 22-06-2010 4:45pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Your argument is against the route for now, IF the route is chosen then you may well get the road diverted up to 100m away from your house in the mitigation phase even though it is now on the route.

Get a civil engineer ( cheap nowadays) and let that engineer fill out the questionnaires for all of you rather than let yourselves do it. You must attack the route ....for now.

+1. Sound advice.

gym_mom · 22-06-2010 4:47pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Your argument is against the route for now, IF the route is chosen then you may well get the road diverted up to 100m away from your house in the mitigation phase even though it is now on the route.

Get a civil engineer ( cheap nowadays) and let that engineer fill out the questionnaires for all of you rather than let yourselves do it. You must attack the route ....for now.

To be honest if they choose the route I would personally rather they took the house and get the hell out of there. When we chose the site, it was for the peace and quiet of the countryside where all we can hear are birds and the odd child laughing in the distance. We so dont want to be right beside a major route but i know it's out of our control. Still, I dont have to like it. Anyway time will tell...

nordydan · 22-06-2010 4:59pm

gym_mom wrote: »

Anyway time will tell...

Those "children laughing in the distance" will be drawing the pension before this road is built...

Amtmann · 22-06-2010 4:59pm

gym_mom wrote: »

To be honest if they choose the route I would personally rather they took the house and get the hell out of there. When we chose the site, it was for the peace and quiet of the countryside where all we can hear are birds and the odd child laughing in the distance. We so dont want to be right beside a major route but i know it's out of our control. Still, I dont have to like it. Anyway time will tell...

Well, see what the design proposal is. Everyone on my road was aghast at the prospect of the M8 being built outside our houses in the middle of nowhere. But the designers sunk the M8 down a good 15m into the ground in a deep cutting and in general it's not visible unless you walk over the overbridge that they built. These things are often not as intrusive as they first appear to be.

Sponge Bob · 22-06-2010 5:03pm

gym_mom wrote: »

To be honest if they choose the route I would personally rather they took the house and get the hell out of there.

You can go nowhere, here is why.

1. Your house is worthless until another route is chosen. If not your route you don't want to leave
2. EVEN if the route is chosen there is no pressure to complete statutory processes ...absent money....so they will spend years at that and nobody will buy save Wexford county council as part of a CPO....post mitigation if any.

If your route is odd and unexpected I think it may have been chosen to help justify a more obvious one _because_ all the alternatives were excluded.

Now get an engineer and set them investigating. A good civil engineer would cost €1000 a week cash nowadays and would do all the investigations/meetings with council and relevant questionairres filled out and delivered in 2 weeks flat which is only a few quid per house on the route.

By all means add in archaeology , dicky birds, mosses and ferns, fish spawning and listed buildings from local knowledge.

The Word Is Bor · 22-06-2010 5:10pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Your argument is against the route for now, IF the route is chosen then you may well get the road diverted up to 100m away from your house in the mitigation phase even though it is now on the route.

Get a civil engineer ( cheap nowadays) and let that engineer fill out the questionnaires for all of you rather than let yourselves do it. You must attack the route ....for now.

No route has yet been chosen so any costs that a landowner/homeowner incurs will come directly out of their own pocket.

The questionaire, I presume, is just a simple form which route do you prefer/will you use the road etc.?

Have you met with the design team/local authority? If not then you should do so. They should be able to show you an indicative corridor for your house/land. They might not have any mapping that shows that there is a house there!

At this stage they are building a picture of all the constraints on each ruote option; length, structures required, rivers, railways, houses, farms, ecological, monuments. Once they have that done they will carry out a comparison to chose the route with the less number of negative impacts upon the constraints. No matter what route is chosen there will be negative impacts upon those constraints.

gym_mom · 22-06-2010 5:13pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

You can go nowhere, here is why.

1. Your house is worthless until another route is chosen. If not your route you don't want to leave
2. EVEN if the route is chosen there is no pressure to complete statutory processes ...absent money....so they will spend years at that and nobody will buy save Wexford county council as part of a CPO....post mitigation if any.

If your route is odd and unexpected I think it may have been chosen to help justify a more obvious one _because_ all the alternatives were excluded.

Now get an engineer and set them investigating. A good civil engineer would cost €1000 a week cash nowadays and would do all the investigations/meetings with council and relevant questionairres filled out and delivered in 2 weeks flat which is only a few quid per house on the route.

By all means add in archaeology , dicky birds, mosses and ferns, fish spawning and listed buildings from local knowledge.

They are to be down to three routes by Sept and down to the chosen one by December apparantly. So at least we should know our fate soon enough. If route H is chosen then best case scenario is that it will go exactly as on the map and they'll have to buy us out and if not, then byebye to idilic country living as we know it ! (Unless some city slicker who is used to living near concrete jungles takes a shine to it and buys it !)

Sponge Bob · 22-06-2010 5:15pm

The study will take about a year before the result comes out

1. Tuam Claremorris 2008

http://www.galway.ie/en/Services/RoadsTransportation/RoadProjects/N17TuamClaremorris/N17%20Tuam%20to%20Claremorris%20Brochure%20Map%20080520.pdf

2. Tuam Claremorris results published a year later showing the scoring scheme. You need to score lower than the top one ..ideally lower than the top 3 Find a rare snail somewhere or mention the "Wexford Slug" somewhere

http://www.galway.ie/en/media/Media,10688,en.pdf

Conclusions of Study
Following a detailed analysis of the routes through the NRA Project Appraisal
Guidelines, which analyses each of the routes using the criteria of Economy, Safety,
Environment, Accessibility and Social Inclusion and Integration, the Emerging Preferred
Route was chosen.
A summary of the detailed assessment using the above criteria is shown in the table
below. Rankings (1 to 7) have been assigned to each of the Routes, with 1 being most
favourable and 7 being least favourable.

Route A B C C1 D D1 E
Economy 6 5 1 3 2 4 7
Safety 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Environment 5 7 1 1 1 1 6
Accessibility and
Social Inclusion 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Integration 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Preferred Option 5 6 1 3 2 4 7

The Word Is Bor · 22-06-2010 5:24pm

gym_mom wrote: »

They are to be down to three routes by Sept and down to the chosen one by December apparantly. So at least we should know our fate soon enough. If route H is chosen then best case scenario is that it will go exactly as on the map and they'll have to buy us out and if not, then byebye to idilic country living as we know it ! (Unless some city slicker who is used to living near concrete jungles takes a shine to it and buys it !)

Even if Route H is chosen that does not mean it will go through your house. The preliminary design goes into far more detail and the route corridor can vary significantly from that which is currently shown. The corridors are probably 500m wide but the road itself would only be a max of 100m wide.

One question- is your house gruoped together with other houses or is it a one off house in the middle of nowhere?

Sponge Bob · 22-06-2010 5:36pm

H is too far west and not on a 'traditional' communications corridor, should be easy enough to sort it as it crosses salmon spawning beds where the others cross saline or brackish water. It also pushes the development envelope for wexford town out too far west and is contrary to 'proper planning and development' in a rural area . It should be closer to the town and allowing a retrofit of the existing bypass to 2+2 lanes and not have 2 wexford bypasses in effect.

I wouldn't worry overly about it, now get an engineer on the case.

123easy · 22-06-2010 6:13pm

It is of vital importance that you do not get any old underqualified eejit that draws house plans and knows nothing about major roads calling himself an 'engineer'. You need someone that understands the nuances of the roads planning & design process and knows how to best deal with the local authority on this one, preferably having successful experience representing clients on other major road schemes or unemployed road design engineers.

However, avoiding problematic environmental areas and keeping the hell out of cSAC are of prime concern when selecting a route and takes precedence to interfering with human beings.

They will nearly always go with the cheapest and most likely shortest route provided there are no ecological show stopers on it. Route H looks way too long for it to be economical or viable. However, the river crossing would be a major factor in choosing the route and it looks narrower for H than any other route.

They probably have a pretty good idea what route they are going with already but they must examine all alternatives and go through the process. If there was a very strong local reaction against a particular route that might lead to mitigation/tweaking of alignment or if someone came up with a reason that could bring down the route at Oral Hearing then it would certainly be amended

Sponge Bob · 22-06-2010 6:46pm

A SAC/NHA expains the number of routes. The slaney valley is a sac and nha I think, sac description

http://www.npws.ie/en/media/Media,4036,en.pdf

"Below Enniscorthy there are several areas of woodland with a mixed canopy of Oak, Beech, Sycamore (Acer pseudoplatanus), Ash and generally a good diverse ground flora. Near the mouth of the river at Ferrycarrig is a steep south facing slope covered with Oak woodland. Holly and Hazel are the main species in the shrub layer and a species-rich ground flora typical of this type of Oak woodland has abundant ferns - Dryopteris filix-mas, Polystichum setiferum, Phyllitis scolopendrium - and mosses - Thuidium tamariscinum, Mnium hornum, Eurynchium praelongum."...

"At the southern end of the site, the Red Data Book species Yellow Archangel (Lamiastrum galeobdolon) occurs. Three more Red Data Book species have also been recorded from the site: Basil Thyme (Acinos arvensis), Blue Fleabane (Erigeron acer) and Small Cudweed (Filago minima). A nationally rare species Summer Snowflake (Leucojum aestivum) is also found within the site."

If you have any of those in your garden or in the field next door you are safe although you may find an army of crusties banging drums and trampling them if you tell anybody other than the council about it . I will get you some bog cotton if you want

123easy · 22-06-2010 6:59pm

Sponge Bob wrote: »

. I will get you some bog cotton if you want

Careful now you could be guilty of the destruction of Galway's ecological wonderland

Sponge Bob · 22-06-2010 7:03pm

123easy wrote: »

Careful now you could be guilty of the destruction of Galway's ecological wonderland

It is going to seed right now and not a NPWS scientist in sight to save the poor feckers blowing out on the road beside my house , I would only ever send the seeds to a good home you know

gym_mom · 23-06-2010 9:58am

The Word Is Bor wrote: »

Even if Route H is chosen that does not mean it will go through your house. The preliminary design goes into far more detail and the route corridor can vary significantly from that which is currently shown. The corridors are probably 500m wide but the road itself would only be a max of 100m wide.

One question- is your house gruoped together with other houses or is it a one off house in the middle of nowhere?

It's a one off house but not necessarily in the middle of nowhere, there are other one off houses around close by, some of which are also under threat by route H.

Thanks for all the advice. We'll have to wait and see anyway and sure it's not the end of the world if we have to move but hopefully it won;t come to that. I hope you're right about it being the less preferred option. A collegue of mine here has a farm smack bang in the middle of where four of the other routes run through so much worse for the likes of her.

Wild Bill · 23-06-2010 6:39pm

gym_mom wrote: »

It's a one off house but not necessarily in the middle of nowhere, there are other one off houses around close by, some of which are also under threat by route H.

Thanks for all the advice. We'll have to wait and see anyway and sure it's not the end of the world if we have to move but hopefully it won;t come to that. I hope you're right about it being the less preferred option. A collegue of mine here has a farm smack bang in the middle of where four of the other routes run through so much worse for the likes of her.

Well, one of the problems associated with one-off houses is that they cover the countryside in obstacles to infrastructure. I remember a planners group in the mid-1990s predicting that tens of thousands of one-offs would require sewage schemes, new roads (they clutter the existing system), electricity and so forth but that ironically the inhabitants would, Nimby style, oppose all if these things.

'Cos they want clean running water, employment, electricity, toilets, cars, public transport - and still enjoy the tranquility of the countryside. Life doesn't work like that!

So while I'd have sympathy I'd certainly not be giving encouragement or support. :cool:

Sponge Bob · 23-06-2010 6:54pm

Wild Bill wrote: »

'Cos they want clean running water, employment, electricity, toilets, cars, public transport - and still enjoy the tranquility of the countryside. Life doesn't work like that!

So while I'd have sympathy I'd certainly not be giving encouragement or support. :cool:

Well it does work like that Bill but you gotta fight for it if you move to the country

Wait till the Water Framework Directive becomes law on the 1st of July and every septic tank that drains into the Slaney has to be rebuilt to a Water Treatment plant for €10k a pop before 2015, look at page 60 of 117 of the RBMP

jd · 22-07-2010 7:34am

I see from the Wexford People that various local committees came together for a meeting regarding the Oylegate-Rosslare Harbour road..

..the committees are not opposed to progress, but that there are very real concerns about the effect the new motorway would have on communities, on the local economy, on the environment and in a number of other respects.

Aidan Roche, secretary of the Barntown group, said that one important point discussed was the possible economic effects for Wexford town itself if it is bypassed.

He also said that the new need for a motorway, based on traffic studies and the condition of the current road, was another important topic, as was the need for the huge investment the motorway project will require at a time when the country is broke and tax payers are set to be hit hard again in the next Budget. However, he said the groups are realistic in the sense that they feel a road will be built. ..

They sent a letter off to the NRA

Letter from the Joint Committees of Wexford to the National Roads Liaison Office.

We the joint committees, representing all Wexford groups affected by the N11/N25 Bypass proposed route, request clarification in respect of the following points:

Is it a motorway or what grade of dual carriageway that is proposed?

Will there be a toll anywhere on the proposed route?

What percentage of the total cost of the road project will ultimately come from European taxpayers and what percentage from Irish taxpayers?

Does a new road on a Greenfield site attract more EU funding than upgrading an existing road?

What will be the estimated total cost of the project?
What money has been spent on the project so far?

Has a study of the impact on the commerce and tourism of Wexford, being bypassed by the road, been compiled?

What study into the impact on local families and communities has been compiled?

How important is the environmental and archaeological heritage of Wexford to route planning?

Has there been consideration to the impact on the local agricultural economy?

What are the three most important factors in route selection? What is their order of priority?

We would be grateful for a reply in kind, in the newspaper, in order to reach all people affected by the routes.

N11/N25 - Oilgate to Rosslare Harbour [route options published]

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