Hate the English??

Rondolfus · 01-10-2009 04:43PM

getz wrote: »

you canot hold both british and irish passports and sit in the british parliament, you you can only be a british or a irish citizen ,and have the one passport,and i do believe it may now be by agreement the same in the republic[a northern irish thing] but if the natonists hate it so much ,why do they sit on all the goverment panels and are quick to take their high pay ?,we are only doing this out of protest,and the daft thing is you believe them

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Of course you can hold the two passports and sit in British Parliament. Read the terms of the Good Friday agreement.

The reason Irish people in NI can sit in British Parliament is becuase NI is under UK jurisdication. Parties such as Sinn Fein operate all over the island of Ireland and therefore can sit in both parliaments. Unionists parties only operate within the 6 counties ( Only in the UK) and therefore cannot sit in Irish Government. They wouldn't gain enough votes even if they operated in Ireland.

As for the nationalists taking their high pay in British parliament. Nobody believes they are only doing it merely out of protest. But why should I or any Irish person care?? The money is coming out of your taxes not mine.Sinn Fein take up their seats in Irish Government.

Britain messed up Northern Ireland. so its fitting that it costs them.

getz · 01-10-2009 04:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You've obvoiously never been in any of those ghetto-like "Irish Clubs" where you can see the bitter old men crying into their pints hating England (and the English), and the fact that they can't go "home" either.

dolanbaker [i have the same surname as you by the way] i was born into a irish family living in south manchester, the area was like a ghetto everyone in it was irish or of irish decent but we were all very happy,in the early 50s as a 12 year old me and all the local kids would stand outside the bakers arms pub in altrincham [coincidence no pun intended]and watch the irish lads fight each other for their wages, and the only time i have seen old men crying into their pints is when they are drunk,and not as you would like to believe because they hate england,and please explain why they cannot go back to ireland on their own free will ? do the english hold them prisoners ?you can fly from manchester airport for £10,i think you are telling little porkies

robinph · 01-10-2009 04:46PM

getz wrote: »

you canot hold both british and irish passports and sit in the british parliament, you you can only be a british or a irish citizen ,and have the one passport,and i do believe it may now be by agreement the same in the republic[a northern irish thing] but if the natonists hate it so much ,why do they sit on all the goverment panels and are quick to take their high pay ?,we are only doing this out of protest,and the daft thing is you believe them

Don't think that you need to be either British or Irish even. Just over 18 and prove your not insane or some daft rule like that, I sure there are some non British or Irish citizens in Westminster anyway.

ejmaztec · 01-10-2009 04:49PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

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Of course you can hold the two passports and sit in British Parliament. Read the terms of the Good Friday agreement.

The reason Irish people in NI can sit in British Parliament is becuase NI is under UK jurisdication. Parties such as Sinn Fein operate all over the island of Ireland and therefore can sit in both parliaments. Unionists parties only operate within the 6 counties ( Only in the UK) and therefore cannot sit in Irish Government. They wouldn't gain enough votes even if they operated in Ireland.

As for the nationalists taking their high pay in British parliament. Nobody believes they are only doing it merely out of protest. But why should I or any Irish person care?? The money is coming out of your taxes not mine.Sinn Fein take up their seats in Irish Government.

Britain messed up Northern Ireland. so its fitting that it costs them.

It's also costing the Irish tax-payer a fair old wad as well, propping up cross-border agencies etc..., not to mention the Irish shoppers propping up the NI retail sector.

grenache · 01-10-2009 04:51PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I wasn't trying to imply otherwise;) i always think Surrey is a bit like Ireland actually...Full of Man United fans who have never been to Old Trafford:P

Actually, I'm more of a "Oh my god what the fuvk is going on?" type of pompey fan:D

If there is a new owner at Pompey, why the uncertainty over payment of players wages? Or has the new owner not taken charge yet?

ejmaztec · 01-10-2009 04:53PM

getz wrote: »

dolanbaker [i have the same surname as you by the way] i was born into a irish family living in south manchester, the area was like a ghetto everyone in it was irish or of irish decent but we were all very happy,in the early 50s as a 12 year old me and all the local kids would stand outside the bakers arms pub in altrincham [coincidence no pun intended]and watch the irish lads fight each other for their wages, and the only time i have seen old men crying into their pints is when they are drunk,and not as you would like to believe because they hate england,and please explain why they cannot go back to ireland on their own free will ? do the english hold them prisoners ?you can fly from manchester airport for £10,i think you are telling little porkies

They probably couldn't go home because no-one here thought about creating jobs to keep them in Ireland. The Irish governments have always preferred their "subjects" to emigrate, and to send money back to their families.

getz · 01-10-2009 05:02PM

robinph wrote: »

Don't think that you need to be either British or Irish even. Just over 18 and prove your not insane or some daft rule like that, I sure there are some non British or Irish citizens in Westminster anyway.

yes just been checking up,you can hold a british and irish passport and be a member of the british parliment, and it seems that a few of the irish members of westminster have also been member in the senate, but to be a member in the senate you can only hold a irish passport. and you cannot be a member of both at the same time,someone will try it one day

01-10-2009 05:12PM

getz wrote: »

dolanbaker [i have the same surname as you by the way] i was born into a irish family living in south manchester, the area was like a ghetto everyone in it was irish or of irish decent but we were all very happy,in the early 50s as a 12 year old me and all the local kids would stand outside the bakers arms pub in altrincham [coincidence no pun intended]and watch the irish lads fight each other for their wages, and the only time i have seen old men crying into their pints is when they are drunk,and not as you would like to believe because they hate england,and please explain why they cannot go back to ireland on their own free will ? do the english hold them prisoners ?you can fly from manchester airport for £10,i think you are telling little porkies

I wish I was, but When I lived in England we (me and the missus) went to a couple of Irish clubs, and some of the clientele were just as described earlier, the reason they felt they can't go home was more of a cultural than a financial one. They felt that they couldn't go home "as failures" many never had very successful careers.

The country they left in the 50's is completely different to what it is now, also many have lost contact with family and have nothing to go back to!

ejmaztec · 01-10-2009 05:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I wish I was, but When I lived in England we (me and the missus) went to a couple of Irish clubs, and some of the clientele were just as described earlier, the reason they felt they can't go home was more of a cultural than a financial one. They felt that they couldn't go home "as failures" many never had very successful careers.

The country they left in the 50's is completely different to what it is now, also many have lost contact with family and have nothing to go back to!

Nuffink like chillin in de ghetto, innit?

Fratton Fred · 01-10-2009 05:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I wish I was, but When I lived in England we (me and the missus) went to a couple of Irish clubs, and some of the clientele were just as described earlier, the reason they felt they can't go home was more of a cultural than a financial one. They felt that they couldn't go home "as failures" many never had very successful careers.

The country they left in the 50's is completely different to what it is now, also many have lost contact with family and have nothing to go back to!

One of my objectives when i moved to Ireland was to sit at the end of the bar in a pub, slag off everything and everyone Irish, tell everyone who brilliant England is before nipping off down the social to get my dole money paid in a false name so i could carry on working on the building sites.

Never got around to it though:D

Rondolfus · 01-10-2009 06:02PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

One of my objectives when i moved to Ireland was to sit at the end of the bar in a pub, slag off everything and everyone Irish, tell everyone who brilliant England is before nipping off down the social to get my dole money paid in a false name so i could carry on working on the building sites.

Never got around to it though:D

No, you decided to do it safely behind a keyboard.

Dudess · 01-10-2009 08:27PM

Where? Or is his Englishness enough?

crock · 01-10-2009 08:27PM

Rabies wrote: »

Take a look at your country now.

No better at times.

I think you may be referring to us (Irish) bieng racist, this is a different subject my friend.
Why a lot the Irish dont like the English is because of a bad period in history which i dont think we will ever forget, a lot of us will forgive but surly not forget. It was our holocaust, like it or not ! !

Now lets have a look at our country: (Ireland)
10 years ago we would have said we are not a racist country, how can we afford to be, i mean through the sixty's and seventy's we had something like 5000 immigrants leaving Ireland every year. Everybody in this country has or had a relative living abroad.
But then we got wealthy, (the celtic tiger) we got good jobs, earned good money,bought nice cars and houses, went on hols, ect.
So we had people come from eastern Europe looking for the same wealth the Irish went to Oz and the US for. How dare they!

The Africans came to escape the injustace they suffered in there own countrys, very similar to what the Irish suffered at the hands of the English. How dare they!

The Eastern Europeans are now doing the jobs the Irish didnt want to do for the past 10 years, but jobs are scarce now and the Irish want jobs for Irish people regardless of the job. How dare they!

The bottom line my friend, foreigners are taking our jobs, begging on our streets (not all of them). Claiming from our already overstreched social welfare system. How dare they!

Now the Irish know how other nations felt every time an Irish immigrant set foot on thier soil.

So to wind this up in a nutshell, the Irish who are racist are the ones who were fortunate enough to never have to travel to a foreign nation to seek work, or have been employed in another country and lived in the Irish traditional way, WORKED, DRANK, SLEPT. Came home broke.

I have traveled the world, worked, suffered racisim taunts, claimed social assistance in foreign countrys, and whenever i could get away with it took all i could get just to survive.
So i can genuinely say Im not racist, and racisim comes only from the narrowest minds of those who hav'nt and will never experience the thrill of living life.:D

Data_Quest · 01-10-2009 09:17PM

getz wrote: »

fred very few irish men and woman who have lived in england have anything bad against it

I have to agree. I lived and worked in England for 10 years. I am grateful for the good treatment I received from nearly everyone I encountered. There is not much difference really between your ordinary English and Irish person IMO. I am going over to Cheltenham in a few weeks. How could you hate a people that creates such fine sporting occasions as racing at Cheltenham, Ascot, Epsom, Aintree to name a few? Almost everyone in Ireland has a flutter on the English Grand National and a large % follow the week long festival in Cheltenham in March. Anyone who attends the festival from Ireland knows what I mean(many thousands of Irish are welcomed every year by the English punters who share a common love of horses).

nlgbbbblth · 01-10-2009 09:24PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

By the way Northern Irish people do play for Ireland, becuase eh... around 40% of them are Irish Citizens!!! They are as much Irish as someone born in Dublin. Ever heard of the Good Friday Agreement???

So do you shout for the Northern Ireland football team then?
They're Irish after all. And they wear green.

Or is there ecstasy in your soul when they lose?

Namlub · 01-10-2009 09:47PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

Secondly, I don't like their footballers. They are all overrated overpaid arrogant chavs.

In the same way every Irish person is a ginger, freckled alchoholic? How I love sweeping generalisations.

Finally, the feeling I get in my soul when England lose is just pure ecstasy . You are guaranteed a good night out n Dublin when England lose. All the Polish and Irish joining together with all the other nationalities celebrating their downfall.

England losing is second only to Ireland winning!

FFS, pathetic.

Rondolfus · 01-10-2009 09:53PM

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

So do you shout for the Northern Ireland football team then?
They're Irish after all. And they wear green.

Or is there ecstasy in your soul when they lose?

Firslty if you asked 95% of Northern Ireland supporters they wouldn't claim to be Irish. They'd claim to be British. And Actually yes I do like when Northern Ireland lose.

Windsor park has always been a hotbed for anti-Irish sentiment which is why a huge amount of nationalists in the North travel to Dublin to support the real Irish team. Just look at what happened to Neil Lennon arguably NI best player in the last decade. He signed for Celtic and he received death threats to him and his family. They forced their captain into early retirement becuase he signed for what they perceived to be an Irish friendly club!! Yet they openly embrace their players who play for the other half of Glasgow!

There is a huge amount of people in the Ireland footballs team supporters club from the 6 counties. They are in my opinion , more passionate than most!

Rondolfus · 01-10-2009 09:59PM

Namlub wrote: »

In the same way every Irish person is a ginger, freckled alchoholic? How I love sweeping generalisations.

Ok, how could you describe John Terry, Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard, Wayne Rooney, Rio Ferdinand, David Beckham, David Bentley, Steven Gerrard, as anything else but overpaid Chavs.

I'm not saying ALL english footballers are Chavs, but IMO the vast majority of their first 11 ARE.

Half of them have been involved with prostitutes, gang bangs, or some other perverted behaviour. Plus they are all overrated! Again thats my opinion. And when they come up against decent opposition ( not Croatia or Ukraine) my point will be proven

Daragh101 · 01-10-2009 10:01PM

bloody tans!!!...think they are better than everyone!

nlgbbbblth · 01-10-2009 10:08PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

Firslty if you asked 95% of Northern Ireland supporters they wouldn't claim to be Irish. They'd claim to be British. And Actually yes I do like when Northern Ireland lose.

Windsor park has always been a hotbed for anti-Irish sentiment which is why a huge amount of nationalists in the North travel to Dublin to support the real Irish team. Just look at what happened to Neil Lennon arguably NI best player in the last decade. He signed for Celtic and he received death threats to him and his family. They forced their captain into early retirement becuase he signed for what they perceived to be an Irish friendly club!! Yet they openly embrace their players who play for the other half of Glasgow!

There is a huge amount of people in the Ireland footballs team supporters club from the 6 counties. They are in my opinion , more passionate than most!

Hmmm
Martin O'Neill (former Celtic manager), Pat Jennings, Gerry Armstrong, Gerry Taggart, Mal Donaghy and a good few more might disagree with you.

You do know that all those guys are considered heroes by NI supporters? Despite being Catholic.

Namlub · 01-10-2009 10:09PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

Ok, how could you describe John Terry, Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard, Wayne Rooney, Rio Ferdinand, David Beckham, David Bentley, Steven Gerrard, as anything else but overpaid Chavs.

I'm not saying ALL english footballers are Chavs, but IMO the vast majority of their first 11 ARE.

Half of them have been involved with prostitutes, gang bangs, or some other perverted behaviour. Plus they are all overrated! Again thats my opinion. And when they come up against decent opposition ( not Croatia or Ukraine) my point will be proven

But that's exaxtly what you did say, which is why I took issue with it.

And Frank Lampard for one is no chav.

robinph · 01-10-2009 10:52PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

Windsor park has always been a hotbed for anti-Irish sentiment which is why a huge amount of nationalists in the North travel to Dublin to support the real Irish team.

The "real" Irish team eh? It was the FAI that broke away from the IFA I believe.

Abi · 01-10-2009 11:02PM

It doesnt matter what you call them, every fucking country has them. So understand it, get over that bridge and move it along. I don't comprehend what makes people think that its a solely English thing. Thats laughable.

On a side note; ever notice how the unpatriotic become suddenly patriotic if someone says something that even remotely sounds like they dislike the country?

Or how about a little Richard Dawkins? never been a quieter Irish audience listening to him. Funny how people miraculously discover their religion despite the fact a fraction of them could barely count the times they darkened the doors of their parish church?

I said funny, but I mean interesting.

harsea8 · 01-10-2009 11:05PM

Rondolfus wrote: »

Another Beaut of a post by camelot. Do you even support Irish football? If you did you would realise that the entire first team, with the exception of Kevin Kilbane, and McGeady (Scottish not English), are Irish by birth. FYI McGeady chose Ireland over Scotland becuase of the racial abuse he sufffered in Scotland for being Irish!

Also if anywone should be thankful for players its England. Wayne Rooney, Rio Ferdinand and Stephen Gerrard are all of Irish decent.( To name but a few).
Not to mention the huge amount of Irish players and Irish money that is pilled into English football every year. Take a look down from premiership to league 2! There's an enormous amount of Irish players. Are you suggesting that we owe England for pillaging our all our talent? Also look at the amount if money Irish investers have put into the premiership and British football in general. From Dermot Desmond in Scotland, to the various Irish consortiums that bought clubs in England. Before the Glaziers, United's majoirty shareholders were IRISH! We owe England nothing!! They owe us a lot!

"Have people grown up"?? One again you resort to patronising people who don't agree with your English fetish.

I don't support England for a number of reasons. Firstly, their fans are the scourge of European football and ruin nearly every city they visit. I was a child in 1995 , when my father brought me to the Ireland -England game. I will never forget how those animals behaved! And it didn't seem like a minority of fans to me! I would side anybody over the English. They deserve everything they get!

Secondly, I don't like their footballers. They are all overrated overpaid arrogant chavs.

Thirdly, the football they play is crap. I much prefer watching Spain, France or Italy play. They are far more stylish, and their fans are more fun to be around.

Finally, the feeling I get in my soul when England lose is just pure ecstasy . You are guaranteed a good night out n Dublin when England lose. All the Polish and Irish joining together with all the other nationalities celebrating their downfall.

England losing is second only to Ireland winning!

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Rondolfus wrote: »

Ok, how could you describe John Terry, Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard, Wayne Rooney, Rio Ferdinand, David Beckham, David Bentley, Steven Gerrard, as anything else but overpaid Chavs.

I'm not saying ALL english footballers are Chavs, but IMO the vast majority of their first 11 ARE.

Half of them have been involved with prostitutes, gang bangs, or some other perverted behaviour. Plus they are all overrated! Again thats my opinion. And when they come up against decent opposition ( not Croatia or Ukraine) my point will be proven

= Wayne Rooney, Rio Ferdinand and Steven Gerrard are overpaid (Irish when it suits my arguement, English when it don't) chavs

DoireNod · 01-10-2009 11:06PM

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

Hmmm
Martin O'Neill (former Celtic manager), Pat Jennings, Gerry Armstrong, Gerry Taggart, Mal Donaghy and a good few more might disagree with you.

You do know that all those guys are considered heroes by NI supporters? Despite being Catholic.

Yeah that may be so, but there is still a strong anti-Irish sentiment there, since the majority of N.I. supporters would be loyalists and unionists. Most nationalists don't identify with the team at all.

Terrontress · 02-10-2009 07:33AM

DoireNod wrote: »

Yeah that may be so, but there is still a strong anti-Irish sentiment there, since the majority of N.I. supporters would be loyalists and unionists. Most nationalists don't identify with the team at all.

That is definitely changing. McCourt and McGinn show that there is a strong support now from nationalist communities for Northern Ireland. The FAI would have taken them in a flash but they decided to go with the IFA. I think the support of the Northern Ireland fans will prove that there is no bitterness amongst the vast majority of the support.

Fratton Fred · 02-10-2009 07:52AM

Rondolfus wrote: »

No, you decided to do it safely behind a keyboard.

He he

Says the man who has posted a whole load of bitter, twisted and jealous bollox.

People like you just add to the enjoyment of the 100% run England have had in the qualifiers. That must really make that chip feel like an entire sack of spuds at the moment!

02-10-2009 08:11AM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That must really make that chip feel like an entire sack of spuds at the moment!

And we all know where the best spuds for making chips come from!

getz · 02-10-2009 08:20AM

Deleted User wrote: »

And we all know where the best spuds for making chips come from!

yes thats right the best spuds come from ireland,but you have to go to england to find a good chip shop

blinding · 02-10-2009 08:31AM

getz wrote: »

yes thats right the best spuds come from ireland,but you have to go to england to find a good chip shop

This is coming from an Irishman,

You are right, certainly taken as an average the chips are miles better in England.

Bad Irish chip makers should be shot/tickled or something for treason.

Hate the English??

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