Hate the English??

robinph

Rondolfus wrote: »

All you need to do is TRAVEL. Its not difficult.

All one needs to do is try mixing with other people who do not have quite as bitter and twisted view of the world. Then the world will be a much more pleasant place for all of us.

As for other places in Europe hating the English I'd say that it's more of a comedy level of "hate". Most of Europe has got over any past conflicts and all get along pretty happily together, some people in Ireland can't seem to manage that quite yet.

mike65

I dunno why anyone is bothering with Rondolfus to be honest, he's a bit of a bigot and as such isn't much for turning.

robinph

Rondolfus wrote: »

It was the 6 counties that were broken away from Ireland I believe.

It was the FAI that broke away from IFA though, actually Leinster broke away first and then the FAI was formed. Any political changes that happened with national borders at the time is purely coincidental.

blinding

Fratton Fred wrote: »

We do love other nationalities, especially our cute and ever amusing neighbours in our pseudo colony off the coast of Wales;-))

If ye could get over that owning things and people in other countries then we would love ye even more;)

Seriously though England (Britain) is just in the teenage stage post Empire.
It is just finding its feet post empire like an awkward teenager. Sure sometimes we are embarassed for ye when the teenage slipups happen but we are willing to help ye in the new situation.

Soon England will take its place as a normal country and the nasty parts of old empire will dim into the past.

If we can give any assistance then please don't be too bashful to ask.:)

ejmaztec

mike65 wrote: »

I dunno why anyone is bothering with Rondolfus to be honest, he's a bit of a bigot and as such isn't much for turning.

When he's a bit older, he might have a better understanding of how the world works. It happens to us all eventually, some sooner than others.

Rondolfus

Rondolfus wrote: »

BBC built up the Andorra game as if England were playing a world cup final against Brazil. Laughable as usual.

You've never seen the RTÉ build up to any GAA game so, makes what the BBC do seem quite low key.

Rondolfus

Deleted User wrote: »

You've never seen the RTÉ build up to any GAA game so, makes what the BBC do seem quite low key.

Come one , bad comparison. We're talking about Andorra here! A team of office workers by day! lol

robinph

Rondolfus wrote: »

Come one , bad comparison. We're talking about Andorra here! A team of office workers by day! lol

But you do seem to spend an awful lot of time watching TV to see how the English are getting on in various things so that you can then be outraged by their actions in some way. Seems a tad obsessive to me and you must secretly love the English and everything about them to care so much.

Fratton Fred

blinding wrote: »

If ye could get over that owning things and people in other countries then we would love ye even more;)

Seriously though England (Britain) is just in the teenage stage post Empire.
It is just finding its feet post empire like an awkward teenager. Sure sometimes we are embarassed for ye when the teenage slipups happen but we are willing to help ye in the new situation.

Soon England will take its place as a normal country and the nasty parts of old empire will dim into the past.

If we can give any assistance then please don't be too bashful to ask.:)

Ask assistance from Ireland about running a country?

I'd rather ask Mary Harney for beauty tips thanks.

Fratton Fred

Rondolfus wrote: »

Come one , bad comparison. We're talking about Andorra here! A team of office workers by day! lol

I suppose if we beat a really tough team, like Cyprus for example, then we could get excited about it.

Its the world cup qualifiers, what more can you do than beat every team you play? Croatia are going to finish second and we beat them twice. What more do you want?

You ought to stroll over to the football forum, there's a debate over there about Shay Given being the best goalkeeper in the world FFS.

Aah bless.

blinding

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Ask assistance from Ireland about running a country?

I'd rather ask Mary Harney for beauty tips thanks.

Well we were wealthier per capita there for awhile (maybe we still are)

And our politicians are bigger and better crooks than yours (so there;))
which is a great achievment in such a small country.

So we must be great people to have done so well (well until now:o) with our crowd of crooks running the show.

Your politicians are not near as crooked as ours so ye have no excuse for been in deep S**t.

No seriously we are a very industrious people and if we ever take politics seriously and elect some competent and honest politicians then there would be no stopping us. We would be a shining example to the rest of the world.
Only problem is we get too much enjoyment watching the Gombeens in Leinster house convince themselves that we don't know that they are a bunch of shysters.

Anyway if britain digs itself out of the hole its in we make take some country running lessons from ye.
Even you will have to admit that Northern Ireland was/is a shambles ever since Britain established it under threat of war.

Fratton Fred

blinding wrote: »

Well we were wealthier per capita there for awhile (maybe we still are)

And our politicians are bigger and better crooks than yours (so there;))
which is a great achievment in such a small country.

So we must be great people to have done so well (well until now:o) with our crowd of crooks running the show.

Your politicians are not near as crooked as ours so ye have no excuse for been in deep S**t.

No seriously we are a very industrious people and if we ever take politics seriously and elect some competent and honest politicians then there would be no stopping us. We would be a shining example to the rest of the world.
Only problem is we get too much enjoyment watching the Gombeens in Leinster house convince themselves that we don't know that they are a bunch of shysters.

Anyway if britain digs itself out of the hole its in we make take some country running lessons from ye.
Even you will have to admit that Northern Ireland was/is a shambles ever since Britain established it under threat of war.

As with most things, Ireland managed to convince itself it was wealthy when in reality they were just sold a load of spin by Fianna Fail.

Britain made a complete cock up with NI, without a doubt. The sooner we give it to Gerry Adams and see it and him disappear up their own arseholes the better tbh.

blinding

Fratton Fred wrote: »

As with most things, Ireland managed to convince itself it was wealthy when in reality they were just sold a load of spin by Fianna Fail.

Britain made a complete cock up with NI, without a doubt.

Well I would agree with that.

The vast majority of Irish people would not like Northern Ireland given to Gerry Adams or Sinn Féin.
Irish people are happy to respect the mandate of all parties in Ireland.
Some would like this to be on an all-Ireland basis and others would not.

furiousox

You can continue nursing your hard-on for the English in this cyber world...


Apart from Jordan & Kerry Katona obviously!

heavyballs

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

I disagree. Most people in our media/ celebs/ politicians/ famous people etc are from an English background so it gives that impression. The vast majority of normal Irish people have no connection.

what proof do you have of this?
the thing that annoys me about the brits is they seem to have more of a problem with us when in fact it should be the other way around.
I have no problem in general with the English but that stereo typical brit beer swilling foul mouthed lout (of which there are many)really get to me.The one you see with a tatoo of his kids face on his chest.What is with the brits and their tats?A lack of real identity?
I know we have our fair share of louts ourselves but in my experience we are a much more sophisticated nation of people.

happy_acid_face

tallaght01 wrote: »

I used to live in England, and the vast majority of them actively really liked Irish people. They seemed genuinely confused, and a bit hurt, when they'd hear Irish people rooting on whoever was playing England in the soccer etc, when most English ppl supprt Ireland when we're playing. It was always a bit embarrassing.

But once I went to this formal ball for a professional association. It was a yearly thing. A good few Irish were working in the UK and were members of this British association. Every year they started off with a toast to the Queen. A simple toast. Not a pledge of allegiance. Just a toast. I happened to be sitting at the table with most of the Irish, as I was friends with them. They decided when the toast came, they wouldn't stand up. So, the whole room stands up to raise their glasses, and the table of paddies stayed sitting in protest. They were all boggers, pretty much. And pretty young. I stood up, and they looked at me like some west brit sellout. But we were all living in England, and were members of their profesiional body. I spent a good while apologising to people that night for their behaviour, and they told me not to worry, as the Irish do it every year. That was the only time I was ashamed of being Irish.

Sorry for digging the second page up but I wasn't bothered reading all 40 pages of this thread.

Sticking to the question - No, I don't hate the English. I despise what they did as a country across the world but I don't "the English". I have quite a few English friends and I surprised by how little they knew about their countries past. But of course, I'm not going to hit every English person with this bat just the few I know.

As for the quote above, there isn't a chance I would have stood up to toast that old bag. I'm not going to blame her for the 1000+ years of oppression but I'll tag her with this one -

"No paratrooper was ever brought to trial for the murders, however. In fact, their commander that day was decorated the following year by the English queen. There were to be no official apologies, no media outpourings of grief and outrage, no national appeals for sympathy for the innocent victims of Bloody Sunday. Only contempt. As Simon Winchester wrote: "Thanks to the propaganda merchants, and half a dozen lazy hacks, Bloody Sunday became a closed book.""

That old sack of crap will never get anything from me.

harsea8

heavyballs wrote: »

what proof do you have of this?
the thing that annoys me about the brits is they seem to have more of a problem with us when in fact it should be the other way around.
I have no problem in general with the English but that stereo typical brit beer swilling foul mouthed lout (of which there are many)really get to me.The one you see with a tatoo of his kids face on his chest.What is with the brits and their tats?A lack of real identity?
I know we have our fair share of louts ourselves but in my experience we are a much more sophisticated nation of people.

I guess the rest of europe gets equally annoyed with all the ginger-haired, freckled drunken irishmen (of which there are many) who always seem to be doing a jig in the steerage cabins...what is it with the irish and doing a jig?

Naikon

No

ejmaztec

Rondolfus wrote: »

Come one , bad comparison. We're talking about Andorra here! A team of office workers by day! lol

Did you find those stats yet?


I don't follow football, nor am I interested in it, but I think that the BBC provided a big build up to this "insignificant" game, as a mark of respect for the office-workers. It was a big thing for them, and they would have been sorely disappointed that there was no respect shown to them.

What about that time, not so long ago. when you learned to ride your bike. You would have been really annoyed were someone not to make a big thing of your achievement.

You're being very disrespectful, as regards the Andorrans.:(

BroomBurner

Very good piece in today's Guardian from Daragh O'Brein (sp?), from his book about his impressions of England as an Irishman. Very funny.

furiousox

BroomBurner wrote: »

Very good piece in today's Guardian from Daragh O'Brein (sp?), from his book about his impressions of England as an Irishman. Very funny.

Here's the link


http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2009/oct/02/dara-obriain-england-football-london

BroomBurner

furiousox wrote: »

Here's the link


http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2009/oct/02/dara-obriain-england-football-london

Thanks, I'm too lazy to spoon-feed others!

Dman001

As a person who was born in England, I can say that yes many of the Irish do hate the English. I've had my fair share of abuse for it (I've actually been spat on) but they really don't realize how pathetic they sound when they go on about it. The majority of Irish people don't care about it and are lovely but these people who hate and give abuse to the English do give the Irish people a bad name unfortunetly. They sound so pathetic when they go on about something that happened 100s of years ago and still blame the English for what happened. A message to all those Irish for dislike the English, Get over it.

Kradock

After todays vote Ireland will soon have an English President.
Step forward Tony Blair.

Elliemental

Dman001 wrote: »

As a person who was born in England, I can say that yes many of the Irish do hate the English. I've had my fair share of abuse for it (I've actually been spat on) but they really don't realize how pathetic they sound when they go on about it. The majority of Irish people don't care about it and are lovely but these people who hate and give abuse to the English do give the Irish people a bad name unfortunetly. They sound so pathetic when they go on about something that happened 100s of years ago and still blame the English for what happened. A message to all those Irish for dislike the English, Get over it.

Seriously? I`m a scouser and have been living in Blefast for 10 years now. I`ve only ever had one remark (and that was from a drunk, who later apologised!)

Namlub

Kradock wrote: »

After todays vote Ireland will soon have an English President.
Step forward Tony Blair.

Step forward misinformed conspiracy theorist.

Terrontress

Elliemental wrote: »

Seriously? I`m a scouser and have been living in Blefast for 10 years now. I`ve only ever had one remark (and that was from a drunk, who later apologised!)

Ah, when "the English" are spoken of it's not scousers. Not the Mancs either. Sure they're nearly Irish themselves. And the Geordies are a good bunch. The Cornish are Celts so we like them. London is just full of non-English so there is nothing to dislike in London except for the Queen. We'll let the Brummies off as their accent is so funny.

So basically "the English" that we all hate are those in Kent as it's the only place left. Not that we have ever met anyone from there but I am sure they were involved in all that oppression.

furiousox

......and what was all the fuss about between 1939 and 1945 anyway? sure it was only a bit of an 'emergency' :pac:

Happy Monday

Who was who said that patrioism is the last refuge of the scoundrel?

Not sure but he was right.

Celtic, the IRA, 1916 - these things that some people believe define them actually divide them.

And you can keep it.....

blinding

furiousox wrote: »

......and what was all the fuss about between 1939 and 1945 anyway? sure it was only a bit of an 'emergency' :pac:

The brits and the Germans were only play fighting in North Africa and the western front;)

The real war was on the Eastern front where the Ruskies were at it for real.