Hate the English??

mike65

Johnny Utah wrote: »

buffoon Churchill

Wow, just wow

Jim236

Hydroquinone wrote: »

For anyone who finds the term "British Isles" offensive, what are your emotions when you hear the term "The Irish Sea"?
Proud?
Delighted?
Whatever the opposite of offended is?

Has anyone ever heard anyone whinge about the Irish Sea being called the Irish Sea, in the same way we've all heard certain people whinge about The British Isles?
I know I've not, but maybe I live in a bubble.
Anyone?

They have the English Channel, we have the Irish Sea...

robinph wrote: »

Isle of Mann?

Who?

Johnny Utah

Terrontress wrote: »

I think the UK might still be paying off their wartime debts to the Americans from before their entry. Or maybe I heard it was paid off recently. The US did very well from the Uk being at war.

All my point is, and has been, is when people asked why do English go on about the war so much when it was the Americans that won it or the Soviets that won it is that there was a period, following the fall of France, that the UK was fighting the Nazis alone. That is something for them to be proud of because time has since told of the ruthlessness of the Nazis and they took the lead there. Furthermore, they made massive sacrifices during the conflict even when the Americans and Soviets came on board. Surely you cannot argue with that.

There is an element of rose tinted spectacles certainly from the British. Old people talking about the blitz spirit when the reality was burglaries, looting and rapes had never been so high. Also casual sex with American airmen seems to be explained with a "there was a war on, what were to do?".

I think Ireland has been very favourably judged following WW2, having shirked her responsibility, maintained strong relationships with Nazi Germany, 2 fingers to Churchill or not, and allowed strong pro-Nazi elements to develop in Ireland. Luckily Guinness has stepped in to create the image of Ireland on a global stage and "The Emergency" has been left out.

Ireland - shirked her responsibility?

Get real, Ireland was never in a position to partake in WW2. We had absolutely no air defence, which would have meant that Dublin & Cork would have been bombed back to the stone age. If Ireland was attacked by the Luftwaffe, it would have lasted hours, not days. Who would have defended our country? The RAF were overstretched as it was.

You have to remember too that Ireland had seen a campaign of independence and a subsequent vicious civil war less than twenty years previously, so the Irish people were in no mood for anymore loss of life at the time. Ireland was an independent, neutral country and that decision should have been respected by the British Cabinet.

ejmaztec wrote: »

The Americans never did anything for anyone for free.

All that De Valera did brilliantly was to keep Ireland in a worse position than it had been pre-independence, and suck up to the Catholic church. The peasants were well and truly screwed by the pair of them, and those that wanted something better, left the country.

As for his actions during WW2, the Irish hierarchy has probably spent 60 odd years trying to make him look good.:pac:

So, you think the Americans had a vested interest in supplying arms to Britain?

getz wrote: »

i cannot make up my mind if de valera was very lucky or a idiot, by allowing the german u-boats to use irish ports,he risked being invaded by both the americans and british[both were in northern ireland at that time] it was good he backed off the came in to help the allieds on D -day.

Nonsense, all part of the British 'black propaganda' campaign to undermine Irish neutrality.

http://www.herald.ie/opinion/hitlers-irish-escape-plan-1420845.html

getz

Data_Quest wrote: »

Could you please provide a source for "de valera allowing the german u-boats to use irish ports". As far as I know this was never Irish Gov policy? Ireland was a neutral country so it would be very unlikely that De Valera would have allowed u-boats to use Irish ports?

any real proof would be hard to find,i dont believe in any way it was irish goverment policy to allow U-BOATS to use irish ports,but niether was it goverment policy to turn a blind eye to early IRA activity from the republic,i am sure the US and britain also later the USSR intelligence services believed it happened,[even rumours by locals on the west coast say it had].we know for certain that the IRA got help from nazi germany[see operation dove] and IRA chief of staff sean russel died in a U-BOAT off the west coast of the republic.maybe de valera dident know ,but the irish intelligence services must of.but any real proof would have been hidden for good

SV

Jim236 wrote: »

Who?

:mad::mad:

LordSutch

So what's the story with supporting ENGLAND in 2010?

First of all, lets hope Ireland make it through to the World Cup finals, but should they get knocked out of the tournament before England, would you root for England ? (who are our neighbours, our relations, & the providers of many "Irish" players in the Irish football team).

Is it still 'Anyone but England' ? or have people grown up ?

Latchy

As somebody living in Engurland I shall be supporting both Ireland ( assuming they qualify) and England . If I lived in France ,Italy ,Hollond or any other Europen country I would do same ,support the host country I live in as well as my own .

blinding

Its loving the English (British) need.

Its a bit like the Milwall football chant "Nobody likes us and we don't care"
In reality why would this be the chant that they are known for if they do not care. I fear they protest too much.

England (Britain) are a bit like this as a country.
I believe that this is why Irish television presenters and celebs do so well in Britain.
The English(British) really take to them because deep down they are pleased that these presenters/ celebreties at least appear to like them.

The English in particular need loving.
Its your duty as a good human being to hug and cuddle the English. They may be a bit reserved at first bit rest assured when you break through the stiff upper lip they will be putty in your hands and very appreciative.
Just watch how Wogan, Norton and various Irish celebs do it.

Love an English man/woman. They need it more than most and it is your duty as a good human being.

getz

blinding wrote: »

Its loving the English (British) need.

Its a bit like the Milwall football chant "Nobody likes us and we don't care"
In reality why would this be the chant that they are known for if they do not care. I fear they protest too much.

England (Britain) are a bit like this as a country.
I believe that this is why Irish television presenters and celebs do so well in Britain.
The English(British) really take to them because deep down they are pleased that these presenters/ celebreties at least appear to like them.

The English in particular need loving.
Its your duty as a good human being to hug and cuddle the English. They may be a bit reserved at first bit rest assured when you break through the stiff upper lip they will be putty in your hands and very appreciative.
Just watch how Wogan, Norton and various Irish celebs do it.

Love an English man/woman. They need it more than most and it is your duty as a good human being.

in 1871 the irish nationist newspaper[dublin] published a series of articles by hugh hendrick [wexford born and living in birmingham]in it he says there are over 2,500,000 irish men and woman living in england ,the census only says 556,540, that is a hell of a lot of irish people,just think how much old irish culture became part of the native culture in that one period of time

Rondolfus

Camelot wrote: »

So what's the story with supporting ENGLAND in 2010?

First of all, lets hope Ireland make it through to the World Cup finals, but should they get knocked out of the tournament before England, would you root for England ? (who are our neighbours, our relations, & the providers of many "Irish" players in the Irish football team).

Is it still 'Anyone but England' ? or have people grown up ?

Another Beaut of a post by camelot. Do you even support Irish football? If you did you would realise that the entire first team, with the exception of Kevin Kilbane, and McGeady (Scottish not English), are Irish by birth. FYI McGeady chose Ireland over Scotland becuase of the racial abuse he sufffered in Scotland for being Irish!

Also if anywone should be thankful for players its England. Wayne Rooney, Rio Ferdinand and Stephen Gerrard are all of Irish decent.( To name but a few).
Not to mention the huge amount of Irish players and Irish money that is pilled into English football every year. Take a look down from premiership to league 2! There's an enormous amount of Irish players. Are you suggesting that we owe England for pillaging our all our talent? Also look at the amount if money Irish investers have put into the premiership and British football in general. From Dermot Desmond in Scotland, to the various Irish consortiums that bought clubs in England. Before the Glaziers, United's majoirty shareholders were IRISH! We owe England nothing!! They owe us a lot!

"Have people grown up"?? One again you resort to patronising people who don't agree with your English fetish.

I don't support England for a number of reasons. Firstly, their fans are the scourge of European football and ruin nearly every city they visit. I was a child in 1995 , when my father brought me to the Ireland -England game. I will never forget how those animals behaved! And it didn't seem like a minority of fans to me! I would side anybody over the English. They deserve everything they get!

Secondly, I don't like their footballers. They are all overrated overpaid arrogant chavs.

Thirdly, the football they play is crap. I much prefer watching Spain, France or Italy play. They are far more stylish, and their fans are more fun to be around.

Finally, the feeling I get in my soul when England lose is just pure ecstasy . You are guaranteed a good night out n Dublin when England lose. All the Polish and Irish joining together with all the other nationalities celebrating their downfall.

England losing is second only to Ireland winning!

robinph

Rondolfus wrote: »

Another Beaut of a post by camelot. Do you even support Irish football? If you did you would realise that the entire first team, with the exception of Kevin Kilbane, and McGeady (Scottish not English), are Irish by birth. FYI McGeady chose Ireland over Scotland becuase of the racial abuse he sufffered in Scotland for being Irish!

I counted nine of the players listed here as being born outside of the Repulic.

...and I'm sure if you were to go back a generation or two of most of the rest of the team there will be someone who is Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish or even ... shock horror... English in the family.

LordSutch

Rondolfus wrote: »

Another Beaut of a post by camelot. Do you even support Irish football? If you did you would realise that the entire first team, with the exception of Kevin Kilbane, and McGeady (Scottish not English), are Irish by birth. FYI McGeady chose Ireland over Scotland becuase of the racial abuse he sufffered in Scotland for being Irish!

I was under the impression that over the years many of our players were born and raised in England, and due to the 'granny rule' many could claim to have enough Irish blood to play for Ireland if they wished to do so.

Rondolfus wrote: »

the feeling I get in my soul when England lose is just pure ecstasy . You are guaranteed a good night out n Dublin when England lose. All the Polish and Irish joining together with all the other nationalities celebrating their downfall.

OK, so that answers that then.

Kalashnikov_Kid

Rightly or wrongly, not everyone likes the English, just like not everyone likes the Irish. It's called xenophobia and it's not a phenomenon exclusive to Ireland. Sometimes it is just sporting rivalry, plain and simple. Nothing wrong with that. Get over it, ffs.

LordSutch

Sporting rivalry is one thing, but Hatred is another.

getz

most english clubs have a scouting system with in ireland,most youngsters hope some team or other will take them, moving to the UK is not much of a culture shock,i know two lads in wicklow whom i believe will one day will make it big,but non of them will ever reach their full potential by staying with irish clubs.english clubs are very good to irish youngsters

ejmaztec

Johnny Utah wrote: »

So, you think the Americans had a vested interest in supplying arms to Britain?

Of course they did:rolleyes:. How else do you think they got their hands on Britain's gold reserves? These were kept in South Africa, and the Americans even trailed the British all the way there, to make certain that they would get their hands on them. They also had all US property owned by the British government signed over to them, and got access to many British military bases that were spread across the world. British top-secret research details were also thrown onto the pile. On top of all these, there were huge loans to enable them to buy military equipment from the US.

Fratton Fred

Rondolfus wrote: »

Another Beaut of a post by camelot. Do you even support Irish football? If you did you would realise that the entire first team, with the exception of Kevin Kilbane, and McGeady (Scottish not English), are Irish by birth. FYI McGeady chose Ireland over Scotland becuase of the racial abuse he sufffered in Scotland for being Irish!

Also if anywone should be thankful for players its England. Wayne Rooney, Rio Ferdinand and Stephen Gerrard are all of Irish decent.( To name but a few).
Not to mention the huge amount of Irish players and Irish money that is pilled into English football every year. Take a look down from premiership to league 2! There's an enormous amount of Irish players. Are you suggesting that we owe England for pillaging our all our talent? Also look at the amount if money Irish investers have put into the premiership and British football in general. From Dermot Desmond in Scotland, to the various Irish consortiums that bought clubs in England. Before the Glaziers, United's majoirty shareholders were IRISH! We owe England nothing!! They owe us a lot!

"Have people grown up"?? One again you resort to patronising people who don't agree with your English fetish.

I don't support England for a number of reasons. Firstly, their fans are the scourge of European football and ruin nearly every city they visit. I was a child in 1995 , when my father brought me to the Ireland -England game. I will never forget how those animals behaved! And it didn't seem like a minority of fans to me! I would side anybody over the English. They deserve everything they get!

Secondly, I don't like their footballers. They are all overrated overpaid arrogant chavs.

Thirdly, the football they play is crap. I much prefer watching Spain, France or Italy play. They are far more stylish, and their fans are more fun to be around.

Finally, the feeling I get in my soul when England lose is just pure ecstasy . You are guaranteed a good night out n Dublin when England lose. All the Polish and Irish joining together with all the other nationalities celebrating their downfall.

England losing is second only to Ireland winning!

You're not like the Beamish are you!

Fratton Fred

Kalashnikov_Kid wrote: »

Rightly or wrongly, not everyone likes the English, just like not everyone likes the Irish. It's called xenophobia and it's not a phenomenon exclusive to Ireland. Sometimes it is just sporting rivalry, plain and simple. Nothing wrong with that. Get over it, ffs.

If people dislike England or the English, that's fine with me. If, for example, that person lived in England, they are more than welcome to leave whenever they wish.

Rondolfus

robinph wrote: »

I counted nine of the players listed here as being born outside of the Repulic..

I was talking about the 1st team. Which is usually Given, Dunne,Oshea, Kilbane, Finnan/kelly/mcshane, Hunt, Whelan, Andrews, Duff/Mcgeady, Keane, Doyle.

All these players are Irish born bar 2.

robinph wrote: »

...and I'm sure if you were to go back a generation or two of most of the rest of the team there will be someone who is Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish or even ... shock horror... English in the family.

Yea maybe. The same is true for every nation. Just look at France, at one stage they could field an entire 11 born outside France. It just seems that the English/English lovers seem to pick on Ireland for it. Ireland was once jokingly called Englands B team. I was just making the point that this joke is no longer valid.

Kalashnikov_Kid

Fratton Fred wrote: »

If people dislike England or the English, that's fine with me. If, for example, that person lived in England, they are more than welcome to leave whenever they wish.

I wasn't insuating that I dislike the English people, if that's what you're suggesting - I wouldn't be living in a small Surrey Tory town and be holding down 2 different jobs if I had such a narrow attitude. You're not a Portsmouth fan of the shoe-throwing variety by any chance?

getz

Fratton Fred wrote: »

If people dislike England or the English, that's fine with me. If, for example, that person lived in England, they are more than welcome to leave whenever they wish.

fred very few irish men and woman who have lived in england have anything bad against it,thats why most end up marrying one of the natives,irish are well liked in the north of england, and i must also say, and i spend a lot of time in the republic i have never met anyone who has said anything nasty to me,in fact i sometimes feel a bit shy with all the kissing and welcomes we get[it must be my englishness] i think thats why i love ireland

Rondolfus

robinph wrote: »

...and I'm sure if you were to go back a generation or two of most of the rest of the team there will be someone who is Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish or even ... shock horror... English in the family.

By the way Northern Irish people do play for Ireland, becuase eh... around 40% of them are Irish Citizens!!! They are as much Irish as someone born in Dublin. Ever heard of the Good Friday Agreement???

getz

Rondolfus wrote: »

By the way Northern Irish people do play for Ireland, becuase eh... around 40% of them are Irish Citizens!!! They are as much Irish as someone born in Dublin. Ever heard of the Good Friday Agreement???

yes and there is even republic citizens who are elected members of the [hated] british parliment, and no they dont hold a joint irish/british passport.they just hold the republican one

Pye

tallaght01 wrote: »

I used to live in England, and the vast majority of them actively really liked Irish people. They seemed genuinely confused, and a bit hurt, when they'd hear Irish people rooting on whoever was playing England in the soccer etc, when most English ppl supprt Ireland when we're playing. It was always a bit embarrassing.

But once I went to this formal ball for a professional association. It was a yearly thing. A good few Irish were working in the UK and were members of this British association. Every year they started off with a toast to the Queen. A simple toast. Not a pledge of allegiance. Just a toast. I happened to be sitting at the table with most of the Irish, as I was friends with them. They decided when the toast came, they wouldn't stand up. So, the whole room stands up to raise their glasses, and the table of paddies stayed sitting in protest. They were all boggers, pretty much. And pretty young. I stood up, and they looked at me like some west brit sellout. But we were all living in England, and were members of their profesiional body. I spent a good while apologising to people that night for their behaviour, and they told me not to worry, as the Irish do it every year. That was the only time I was ashamed of being Irish.

I refuse to stand for the Irish one too, it's a big load of bollocks. The concept of nationalism; 'I was born here therefore my country is better' repulses me. The queen is just a way to make revenue.

I've been in Ireland for a while now and sometimes people say 'you're one of us now' and while I appreciate the sentiment, no, no I'm not. I wasn't one of them, I'm not one of us, and I certainly won't be one of theirs. I'm me, take me or leave me. I don't believe in patriotism.

ejmaztec

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You're not like the Beamish are you!

More PLJ, I think :eek:

Rondolfus

getz wrote: »

yes and there is even republic citizens who are elected members of the [hated] british parliment, and no they dont hold a joint irish/british passport.they just hold the republican one

There's no such thing as a joint Irish/British passport. They can hold a British and an Irish one. They can hold only one if they choose.

Republican passport?? Do you mean Irish passport? And yes I am aware that Nationalist party members are elected to the British parliment.And yes they hate it. I'd hate it too, if I was born in the North of Ireland and subjected to the apartheid system that existed before the outbreak of the troubles.

You know what they say... keep your friends close but your enemies closer!

getz

getz wrote: »

fred very few irish men and woman who have lived in england have anything bad against it,thats why most end up marrying one of the natives,irish are well liked in the north of england,

You've obvoiously never been in any of those ghetto-like "Irish Clubs" where you can see the bitter old men crying into their pints hating England (and the English), and the fact that they can't go "home" either.

getz

Rondolfus wrote: »

There's no such thing as a joint Irish/British passport. They can hold a British and an Irish one. They can hold only one if they choose.

Republican passport?? Do you mean Irish passport? And yes I am aware that Nationalist party members are elected to the British parliment.And yes they hate it. I'd hate it too, if I was born in the North of Ireland and subjected to the apartheid system that existed before the outbreak of the troubles.

You know what they say... keep your friends close but your enemies closer!

you canot hold both british and irish passports and sit in the british parliament, you you can only be a british or a irish citizen ,and have the one passport,and i do believe it may now be by agreement the same in the republic[a northern irish thing] but if the natonists hate it so much ,why do they sit on all the goverment panels and are quick to take their high pay ?,we are only doing this out of protest,and the daft thing is you believe them

Fratton Fred

Kalashnikov_Kid wrote: »

I wasn't insuating that I dislike the English people, if that's what you're suggesting - I wouldn't be living in a small Surrey Tory town and be holding down 2 different jobs if I had such a narrow attitude. You're not a Portsmouth fan of the shoe-throwing variety by any chance?

I wasn't trying to imply otherwise;) i always think Surrey is a bit like Ireland actually...Full of Man United fans who have never been to Old Trafford:P

Actually, I'm more of a "Oh my god what the fuvk is going on?" type of pompey fan:D

ejmaztec

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Actually, I'm more of a "Oh my god what the fuvk is going on?" type of pompey fan:D

and not "some bastard stole my shoes!"?