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'Welfare scrounge' family fumes over benefits story

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  • #252
    Splendour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Splendour


    celticbhoy2009 wrote: »
    Look im been honest here ok..i couldnt care less if it was a 1 bedroom house.better than being on the streets..the size of a house has no meaning to myself or my wife

    Seeing how you're being honest, I will be also. Apparantly you had a council house (?) although admittedly not in the most appealing part of the world. I too had to endure 6 years of living in two different council houses over a period of 6 years and I hated it, so I appreciate your concern. I couldn't let my daughter out to play because the area was so rough. BUT, I put up with it because I had no choice! Needs must!!


  • #253
    Kradock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭Kradock


    celticbhoy2009 wrote: »
    If all i was concerned about was free money and sitting on my arse would i not have went on welfare when i had 1 child or 2 or 3 or 4 or even 5...you ask me to explain and give figures yet all you come back with is smart ass answers..i do not are you hearing me..i DO NOT want to remain on welfare..i had no choice atthe time..maybe your morals and mine are different..but i was taught as a man you are responsible for the welfare of your family..well my wife needed me and my kids needed me


    From what I can see and from reading your posts it would seem that you are taking responsibility for your family . You will get plenty of smart asses here giving you the whats what , but bottom line is as a citizen of this country and as your kids are citizens of this country you are entitled to have a roof over your head and some stability in your life. You don't strike me as a scrounger you strike me as a person who has made decisions based on what life has thrown you. Others will not see things this way but after all everyone is entitled to their opinion. As I have said before I don't think you have done anything wrong , it is the system that is wrong . For people to question the number of kids you have then sadly they should fook off to China. Its great to see so many people on here that have roadmapped every step of their lives and futures , some will find that that can be very flawed as life jumps up and bites them no matter how well thought out their map is.

    Ger keep fighting and I sincerely hope that you take the sindo to task on any of the incorrect quotes they have attributed to you. Remember you are entitled to free legal aid.:)

    I hope your kids and wife , and you get through this .


  • #254
    cuppa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 538 ✭✭✭cuppa


    Good luck Ger, Hope everything works out for you and your family.


  • #255
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Kradock wrote: »
    From what I can see and from reading your posts it would seem that you are taking responsibility for your family . You will get plenty of smart asses here giving you the whats what , but bottom line is as a citizen of this country and as your kids are citizens of this country you are entitled to have a roof over your head and some stability in your life. You don't strike me as a scrounger you strike me as a person who has made decisions based on what life has thrown you. Others will not see things this way but after all everyone is entitled to their opinion. As I have said before I don't think you have done anything wrong , it is the system that is wrong . For people to question the number of kids you have then sadly they should fook off to China. Its great to see some many people on here that have roadmapped every step of their lives and futures , some will find that that can be very flawed as life jumps up and bites them no matter how well thought out their map is.

    Ger keep fighting and I sincerely hope that you take the sindo to task on any of the quotes they have attributed to you. Remember you are entitled to free legal aid.:)

    I hope your kids and wife , and you get through this .


    look at my figures and calculations

    is this guy milking the system or not?

    a "scrounger" is to tame a word

    prove me wrong, i worked with the figures he gave me


  • #256
    herya
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭herya


    Kradock wrote: »
    as a citizen of this country and as your kids are citizens of this country you are entitled to have a roof over your head and some stability in your life

    Entitled entitled entitled - that's three times you used this word in your post - I'm sure Ger will love this.


  • #257
    Splendour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Splendour


    Kradock wrote: »
    Its great to see some many people on here that have roadmapped every step of their lives and futures , some will find that that can be very flawed as life jumps up and bites them no matter how well thought out their map is.

    Ger keep fighting and I sincerely hope that you take the sindo to task on any of the quotes they have attributed to you. Remember you are entitled to free legal aid.:)

    I hope your kids and wife , and you get through this .

    Just like to point out- I do not have my life roadmapped for me, as I'm sure is the same with many others who have posted here. My life has been one piece of c**p after another-life has ( and continues too :rolleyes:) jump up and bite me on a constant basis.
    I too wish Ger all the best and hope he will find a job. Maybe he will come back and let us know how he's getting on...


  • #258
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    herya wrote: »
    Entitled entitled entitled - that's three times you used this word in your post - I'm sure Ger will love this.

    i cant believe people actually are siding with him

    hes a cheeky benefit fraudster

    Splendour wrote: »
    . Maybe he will come back and let us know how he's getting on...
    he should sell his story to the newspapers :D


  • #259
    Splendour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Splendour


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    i cant believe people actually are siding with him

    hes a cheeky benefit fraudster



    he should sell his story to the newspapers :D

    Ooh you're bold ;)

    S'pose I like to see a story from all sides myself...


  • #260
    herya
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭herya


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    hes a cheeky benefit fraudster

    Maybe it was not his intention to start with but the whole situation is a perfect example of how people
    1st don't think about the consequences of anything
    2nd as soon as they feel the consequences catch up they turn on "I'm entitled" mode.

    5 kids on <25k - ffs - we should have a dozen by his calculations!


  • #261
    macshean
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭macshean


    I bough an apartment in Newbridge last year and because the builder can't sell them he's taking in rent allowance tents, the trouble is most of them are now eastern europeans that will not **** off home because they get paid more weelkly off the social welfare than working at home in their own country, working full time. All they seem to do is drink and play loud music and admire their A6 cars!! No repective for were their living becuase it's easy come!!:mad:


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  • #262
    Armin_Tamzarian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭Armin_Tamzarian


    macshean wrote: »
    All they seem to do is drink and play loud music

    While roasting a few Swans on the barbie no doubt.


  • #263
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Splendour wrote: »
    Ooh you're bold ;)

    S'pose I like to see a story from all sides myself...

    hows this for a story of 2 sides


    Exibit A - Ger's Family
    * 8 bed house paid by council until recently in clare
    * 6 kids and whatever welfare (~1000)
    * sick wife at home requiring healthcare
    * dole @ €482 * 52 = €25,064
    * free full medical healthcare courtesy of state

    Exibit B - Honest Family
    * 8 bed in clare (@€;600K cheapest 8bed i could find in clare none in same area) that works out at mortgage payment of €2000 a month
    * 6 kids and whatever welfare (~1000)
    * sick wife at home requiring healthcare
    * VHI Family Plan for 2 adults + 6 kids = €2,684 a year

    the man would need a after tax income of €29,748 (€2,684 + €2000 + €25,064)

    thats means Honest Man needs to hold a fulltime job of €37,000 before tax to pay for family + healthcare + mortgage




    So Ger gets the same benefits for doing nothing as

    as Honest Man who is working full time for €37000 a year


  • #264
    billy the squid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭billy the squid


    Don't know why the indo kept referring to the Childrens allowance as even the likes of Michael Smurfit would have been entitled to it were his kids of qualifying age.


  • #265
    Kradock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭Kradock


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    look at my figures and calculations

    is this guy milking the system or not?

    a "scrounger" is to tame a word

    prove me wrong, i worked with the figures he gave me


    I am not going to question your figures , they maybe right , they may not. I don't really care. The the man has made a decision to quit 3 jobs so as to be at home with his sick wife and his kids . How many kids he has is irrelevant in my eyes. Child benefit is paid equally no matter what your financial status in this country. Woman on 100K a year with 6 kids gets the same as man on the dole . Flawed system ? . The man and I think I have said it a few times , is only claiming what he is entitled to. If you think it is too much then fine take it up with the government. You can not accuse the man of being a scrounger without assuming that all social welfare receipients are scroungers. Is everyone who gets benefit milking the system , yes some are as the system is flawed in so many ways. Some are not , as I beleive is the case here , I would probably make the same decisions as he has made being in his shoes. I can feel the mans desperation from the posts he has made , he is at his wits end , I have been homeless at times in my life and I can tell you that it is the most terrifying , humiliating thing that any human has to endure , try adding a wife that suffers from depression , a terrible sickness and 6 kids into the equasion and as a person with a heart I feel for him . The man was holding down jobs when he had 5 kids , he couldn't continue that and I can fully understand why having been in a relationship with a person who suffered from depression , a person that couldn't mind themselves let alone a child.

    He says he wants to work , I beleive him , any man would want to , its engrained in us to provide . He has chosen family over work. He contributed to society while working and though you may not think it he still does , the money he gets from the state goes back into the economy in some form or other , as does the money that is provided to all social welfare receipients. Its just harder for people to acknowledge this . To have a witchhunt because the rag that is the sunday Independant printed a story show s alack of intelligence for many . Fair paly to the man for coming on here and trying to give his side of the story . For that and his willingness to stick by his family when many men , and it happens all too often in this country would have fooked off by now.

    I think people should be more sympathetic to his plight , I for one can empathise.


  • #266
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Kradock wrote: »

    I think people should be more sympathetic to his plight , I for one can empathise.

    plight?

    the guy gets the same benefits for not working

    as some other as Honest Man who is working full time for €37000 a year

    scourge would be a more appropriate word

    now that i did the figures im even more enraged
    :mad:

    billy the squid wrote: »
    Don't know why the indo kept referring to the Childrens allowance as even the likes of Michael Smurfit would have been entitled to it were his kids of qualifying age.

    see my post above yours, childrens allowance doesn't matter when compared to a working family with 6 kids in same position


  • #267
    Kradock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭Kradock


    herya wrote: »
    Entitled entitled entitled - that's three times you used this word in your post - I'm sure Ger will love this.


    The same as you are entitled to benefits if you need them , if that time comes you will aslo love it.


  • #268
    irish_bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭irish_bob


    irishvamp90 wrote: »
    It doesnt matter if you come from a poor background or a rich one,yeah across the water we aint the U.K.Imagine this guy debating this on the radio calling people you dont know "mate" is scummy

    A guy came to our door one day selling broadband and in a heavy limerick accent said to my dad "Well mate,are you interested in.."...my dad said i aint you mate,said no thanks and locked the door,its not classy behaviour.Its like calling people bud,cuz etc

    enough about the MATE calling , its hardly a capital offence , if thats the worst this man is guilt of , i wont loose sleep , that ok PAL


  • #269
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Kradock wrote: »
    The same as you are entitled to benefits if you need them , if that time comes you will aslo love it.

    entitled?

    he went from a 25000 before tax job to an 25000 with no tax welfare (that doesnt include rent or children's allowance btw)

    are you blind to the obvious scam here :eek:


  • #270
    Kradock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭Kradock


    macshean wrote: »
    I bough an apartment in Newbridge last year and because the builder can't sell them he's taking in rent allowance tents, the trouble is most of them are now eastern europeans that will not **** off home because they get paid more weelkly off the social welfare than working at home in their own country, working full time. All they seem to do is drink and play loud music and admire their A6 cars!! No repective for were their living becuase it's easy come!!:mad:


    Again because the system is flawed.


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  • #271
    irish_bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭irish_bob


    stepbar wrote: »
    And you don't have the knowledge or right to determine if someone who is depressed / or not is abusing the system or not.

    ive no problem someone taking time off work if thier depressed , i dont however believe the state has any responsibility to compensate someone for having depression


  • #272
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    irish_bob wrote: »
    ive no problem someone taking time off work if thier depressed , i dont however believe the state has any responsibility to compensate someone for having depression

    i think @stepbar should read this post

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=61546769&postcount=263

    if this is not clear abuse of the system then what is?


  • #273
    herya
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭herya


    Kradock wrote: »
    The same as you are entitled to benefits if you need them , if that time comes you will aslo love it.

    You're actually very wrong - I was made redundant and I did not apply for jobseeker's benefit as not to demotivate me from looking for a new job. Which I found - I really made an effort - and all is fine again.

    He was demotivated enough not to find a job for 5 long years. Surely his wife was not depressed for 5 years, she also seems to have quite a lot of spirit in what she says in both articles and how. They gave up their council house, went house jumping for all kinds of excuses and now went to the press to get another free council house - presumably on their own conditions since they've already rejected one on the grounds that they didn't like the area.

    Their attitude is unbelievable. Yes they went through hard times initially but they kept rejecting what they were generously given and still come back for more.


  • #274
    Kradock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭Kradock


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    entitled?

    he went from a 25000 before tax job to an 25000 with no tax welfare (that doesnt include rent or children's allowance btw)

    are you blind to the obvious scam here :eek:


    I can see the figures you quote , but I don't think there is a scam going on. I don't get enraged about things as easy as you. I still think he is genuine , I may be wrong . My point is that it is the system that is wrong , the system that he has used because of the way life has unfolded for him. Attack the system if you want but your not willing to see this point.


  • #275
    irish_bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭irish_bob


    Kradock wrote: »
    I am not going to question your figures , they maybe right , they may not. I don't really care. The the man has made a decision to quit 3 jobs so as to be at home with his sick wife and his kids . How many kids he has is irrelevant in my eyes. Child benefit is paid equally no matter what your financial status in this country. Woman on 100K a year with 6 kids gets the same as man on the dole . Flawed system ? . The man and I think I have said it a few times , is only claiming what he is entitled to. If you think it is too much then fine take it up with the government. You can not accuse the man of being a scrounger without assuming that all social welfare receipients are scroungers. Is everyone who gets benefit milking the system , yes some are as the system is flawed in so many ways. Some are not , as I beleive is the case here , I would probably make the same decisions as he has made being in his shoes. I can feel the mans desperation from the posts he has made , he is at his wits end , I have been homeless at times in my life and I can tell you that it is the most terrifying , humiliating thing that any human has to endure , try adding a wife that suffers from depression , a terrible sickness and 6 kids into the equasion and as a person with a heart I feel for him . The man was holding down jobs when he had 5 kids , he couldn't continue that and I can fully understand why having been in a relationship with a person who suffered from depression , a person that couldn't mind themselves let alone a child.

    He says he wants to work , I beleive him , any man would want to , its engrained in us to provide . He has chosen family over work. He contributed to society while working and though you may not think it he still does , the money he gets from the state goes back into the economy in some form or other , as does the money that is provided to all social welfare receipients. Its just harder for people to acknowledge this . To have a witchhunt because the rag that is the sunday Independant printed a story show s alack of intelligence for many . Fair paly to the man for coming on here and trying to give his side of the story . For that and his willingness to stick by his family when many men , and it happens all too often in this country would have fooked off by now.

    I think people should be more sympathetic to his plight , I for one can empathise.



    you sure are good at rationalising , il give you that


  • #276
    Splendour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Splendour


    Kradock wrote: »
    I can see the figures you quote , but I don't think there is a scam going on. I don't get enraged about things as easy as you. I still think he is genuine , I may be wrong . My point is that it is the system that is wrong , the system that he has used because of the way life has unfolded for him. Attack the system if you want but your not willing to see this point.

    Do you think he was right or wrong ( be it him or the system) to give up a council house?


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  • #277
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Kradock wrote: »
    I can see the figures you quote , but I don't think there is a scam going on. I don't get enraged about things as easy as you. I still think he is genuine , I may be wrong . My point is that it is the system that is wrong , the system that he has used because of the way life has unfolded for him. Attack the system if you want but your not willing to see this point.

    The system is messed up

    but go back a few pages in this thread when we were discussing ethics and an example was made of a wallet falling on the ground

    I understand a person being entitled to welfare after loosing a job

    But this guy quit his job so he can get more on welfare for doing nothing than he was making by working his arse of

    and then he goes and has the cheek to ask the council to pay for an 8 bed house

    this just spits in the face of all the people there who work hard and pay taxes

    and it gives a bad name to all the people who genuinely need welfare



    the this guy "fumes" over being called a 'Welfare scrounge' to the papers and then by posting here

    seriously now this is a pistake being taken to a whole new level

    btw i contacted the papers and told them to read this thread, this story definitely needs a follow up

    /


  • #278
    Kradock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 371 ✭✭Kradock


    herya wrote: »
    You're actually very wrong - I was made redundant and I did not apply for jobseeker's benefit as not to demotivate me from looking for a new job. Which I found - I really made an effort - and all is fine again.

    Good for you , but what if that job did not materilise , would you still be holding out .

    He was demotivated enough not to find a job for 5 long years. Surely his wife was not depressed for 5 years, she also seems to have quite a lot of spirit in what she says in both articles and how. They gave up their council house, went house jumping for all kinds of excuses and now went to the press to get another free council house - presumably on their own conditions since they've already rejected one on the grounds that they didn't like the area.

    You clearly have no concept of depression , some people go through life suffering from it , pills can hhelp but not all . They, I can't be sure on this left Moyross , trust me I would too if I had a young family .
    Their attitude is unbelievable. Yes they went through hard times initially but they kept rejecting what they were generously given and still come back for more.

    What more are they looking for , they are getting the benefits that are due to them , they are looking for housing , any housing to quote Ger.


  • #279
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,056 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    ei.sdraob wrote:
    The system is messed up

    but go back a few pages in this thread when we were discussing ethics and an example was made of a wallet falling on the ground

    I understand a person being entitled to welfare after loosing a job

    But this guy quit his job so he can get more on welfare for doing nothing than he was making by working his arse of

    and then he goes and has the cheek to ask the council to pay for an 8 bed house

    this just spits in the face of all the people there who work hard and pay taxes

    and it gives a bad name to all the people who genuinely need welfare

    Exactly. There's been plenty of times when I've told people who were too proud to claim not to be idiots, especially when they were the ones funding the system for others for yeras. But if you deliberately quit your job because you think the taxpayer can give you a better deal, then that's simply thievery in my opinion.
    Kradock wrote:
    What more are they looking for , they are getting the benefits that are due to them , they are looking for housing , any housing to quote Ger.

    Except housing in Moyross of course. Now I wouldn't go begrudging anyone for not wanting to live in that hole, but from the sounds of it, they were comfortably able to afford better out of the money they were getting, but they thought they'd go cap in hand with a sob story to the papers and end up with an extra grand's worth of luxuries at the taxpayer's expense every month. If it was just about benefits they were entitled to, then there would be no need to try and gain media sympathy to strongarm the council. No harm to see that that plan backfired.

    PS: You've got to love the socialist mantra that nothing's too good for someone living off someone else's expense.


  • #280
    Splendour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Splendour


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    hows this for a story of 2 sides


    Exibit A - Ger's Family
    * 8 bed house paid by council until recently in clare
    * 6 kids and whatever welfare (~1000)
    * sick wife at home requiring healthcare
    * dole @ €482 * 52 = €25,064
    * free full medical healthcare courtesy of state

    Exibit B - Honest Family
    * 8 bed in clare (@€;600K cheapest 8bed i could find in clare none in same area) that works out at mortgage payment of €2000 a month
    * 6 kids and whatever welfare (~1000)
    * sick wife at home requiring healthcare
    * VHI Family Plan for 2 adults + 6 kids = €2,684 a year

    the man would need a after tax income of €29,748 (€2,684 + €2000 + €25,064)

    thats means Honest Man needs to hold a fulltime job of €37,000 before tax to pay for family + healthcare + mortgage




    So Ger gets the same benefits for doing nothing as

    as Honest Man who is working full time for €37000 a year

    Hey listen, I know where you're coming from. I just try to give the benefit of the doubt is all :rolleyes:
    I too, as with all of us, could scam the system. I work with a girl who is claiming single parent allowance ( 2 kids), living with a guy who claims the dole and he is also doing nixers. She has a council house and spends hundreds on constantly doing up her house while I'm struggling to pay my mortgage! It drives me crazy!!


  • #281
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Kradock wrote: »
    What more are they looking for , they are getting the benefits that are due to them , they are looking for housing , any housing to quote Ger.

    how can one be due more in benefits than his salary before tax?


    and why does one make 6 kids and then expect the state to provide an 8bed house costing north of 600K?

    THIS FAMILY HAS SCAMMED YOU, ME AND EVERY TAXPAYER AND WELFARE RECIPIENT OUT THERE

    shame!


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