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Is this a way to scam out of paying a tv license

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    #32
    Hangsangwich
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Hangsangwich


    if I ever get done for not having a tv license, I will bring the case to the European Court of Justice. It is an anti-competitive law.


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    #33
    G_R
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    Hangsangwich wrote: »
    if I ever get done for not having a tv license, I will bring the case to the European Court of Justice. It is an anti-competitive law.

    fight the power!!

    how much is the average european court case these days....


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    #34
    allthedoyles
    Registered Users Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


    A tv licence can now be obtained by Direct Debit costing €13 per month.

    This is way cheaper than Sky and imo better value too.

    You just add up the number of actual sky channnels you regularly watch on Sky digi and you may find that terrestrial tv is a better option.

    There may be up to 900 sky channels , but we done our own little survey and discover that we only actually watch the folowing
    1. BBC 1
    2. Chanel 4
    3. Sky News
    4. Discovery
    5. Fox News
    6. MTV
    So in our case , paying the tv licence is more value for money than subscribing to sky


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    #35
    Hangsangwich
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Hangsangwich


    if i ever get done for not having a tv license I will bring the case to the European Court of Justice and get this piece of antiquated anti-competitive legislation overruled


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    #36
    An Ard Ri
    Registered Users Posts: 143 ✭✭An Ard Ri


    stevoman wrote: »
    this debate is going on in work so i have decided to pick the AH brains (could be a mistake).

    The question is - If you were to have and english sky box for example that does not have the RTE channels and you were to run the box off a computer screen and not a TV woudl you technically be exempt from having to pay a television license?

    The way i see it is TV have the potentiel to pick up RTE as a terestrial channel through the aerial so thats why the say they can hit you with a TV license. But if you were using a computer screen would you not have to pay it.

    I believe the only way to get around this is, to say to that you are repairing the TV for someone. That is providing you don't have an NTL connection (as that is where an Post gets its info). Apparently you dont have to have a licence to repair a TV and there is nothing that can be done. I guy i used work with is from Ballymun, and he said that this excuse was used loads of times in that area.


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    #37
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,068 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    allthedoyles wrote: »
    but we done our own little survey and discover that we only actually watch the folowing
    1. BBC 1
    2. Chanel 4
    3. Sky News
    4. Discovery
    5. Fox News
    6. MTV

    Oh gawd


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    #38
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    dannym08 wrote: »
    fight the power!!

    how much is the average european court case these days....

    not alot if you get one off the euro saver menu


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    #39
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,016 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    then itll be PCs, laptops, 3G Phones

    they could always just **** off and add a tax on electronics if theyre that ****ing poor.


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    #40
    coffee_cake
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    allthedoyles wrote: »
    A tv licence can now be obtained by Direct Debit costing €13 per month.

    This is way cheaper than Sky and imo better value too.

    You just add up the number of actual sky channnels you regularly watch on Sky digi and you may find that terrestrial tv is a better option.

    There may be up to 900 sky channels , but we done our own little survey and discover that we only actually watch the folowing
    1. BBC 1
    2. Chanel 4
    3. Sky News
    4. Discovery
    5. Fox News
    6. MTV
    So in our case , paying the tv licence is more value for money than subscribing to sky

    What on earth are you talking about? You have to pay the licence whether you have sky or not.


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    #41
    Hangsangwich
    Closed Accounts Posts: 92 ✭✭Hangsangwich


    I dont see why the taxpaying public have to prop up rte. why are people like ryan tubridy and pat kenny on such huge salaries?would it reallycost so muc and the level of quality programming from rte is pityful.Rte are over-staffed, its a case of jobs for the D4 boys and girls


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    #42
    994
    Closed Accounts Posts: 911 ✭✭✭994


    ScumLord wrote: »
    "I don't live here" continue on your way out the door. Just don't look back.

    I find a warning shot usually works. Just use blanks the first time they come, live rounds the next time. Maybe one in the leg if they persist. "Celebrity Jigs n Reels" ... my God, there should be a trial in the Hague over that.


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    #43
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,398 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    kmick wrote: »
    Theres a very simple way to avoid the television license man - dont answer the door. If you dont answer the door they can send reminders to "the resident" but unfortunately "the resident" is not recognised by any court in any country (excluding Zambia and Mannon).

    Its as simple as that.

    They actually wait till you leave your house and nab you. If a stranger comes up to you as you leave your house and asks if you have a TV, say no. They caught my mate completely off guard.
    Now if you have an apartment with a secure gate and locked doors to get into the actual building I don't think you have any chance in hell of getting caught.
    Imagine him ringing on the intercom.
    "this is the tv licence inspector, do you have a television set?"
    "ehhh, yeah. I mean no"


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    #44
    ScumLord
    Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    allthedoyles wrote: »
    A tv licence can now be obtained by Direct Debit costing €13 per month.

    This is way cheaper than Sky and imo better value too.

    You just add up the number of actual sky channnels you regularly watch on Sky digi and you may find that terrestrial tv is a better option.

    There may be up to 900 sky channels , but we done our own little survey and discover that we only actually watch the folowing
    1. BBC 1
    2. Chanel 4
    3. Sky News
    4. Discovery
    5. Fox News
    6. MTV
    So in our case , paying the tv licence is more value for money than subscribing to sky
    You'll only get two of those channels on terrestrial.


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    #45
    Mossy Monk
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    If you can receive tv from the UK terrestrially that is.


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    #46
    jenzz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 986 ✭✭✭jenzz


    i got a card in the door last year - we observed a tv in your property... nosy sod was down on his hunkers looking under the blinds,,,,

    my excuse this year - i cant afford.. plain & simple; take me to court for 160 bloody euro


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    #47
    Helix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    dimejinky99 wrote: »
    Computer monitors do not need a licence..that's one way around it. Lotta people I know use these as they're TVs.

    yes they do

    they changed it earlier this year

    if you own ANYTHING capable of receiving television signals (tv, computer, mobile with tv tuner etc) you need a license


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    #48
    stepbar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭stepbar


    jenzz wrote: »
    i got a card in the door last year - we observed a tv in your property... nosy sod was down on his hunkers looking under the blinds,,,,

    my excuse this year - i cant afford.. plain & simple; take me to court for 160 bloody euro

    ....and be fined and forced to pay the licence anyhow. Smart idea :rolleyes:

    Is it that hard to save 3 odd eur a week and put it into a pot?


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    #49
    Joey the lips
    Registered Users Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    Yeah.. Watch tele from prision!


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    #50
    mickdw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,300 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Id put the €160 towards a court challenge to this stupid law. Now, if another 1,000 or so people would do the same, we could get an hour in the high court.


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    #51
    nayorleck114
    Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭nayorleck114


    stevoman wrote: »
    this debate is going on in work so i have decided to pick the AH brains (could be a mistake).

    The question is - If you were to have and english sky box for example that does not have the RTE channels and you were to run the box off a computer screen and not a TV woudl you technically be exempt from having to pay a television license?

    The way i see it is TV have the potentiel to pick up RTE as a terestrial channel through the aerial so thats why the say they can hit you with a TV license. But if you were using a computer screen would you not have to pay it.

    It won't stand up in court. Friends of mine who did not have a TV (they were americans) were brought to court to PAY licence for TV, but they did no have one, but the house had an old dish. The landlord had to testify they did no have a TV(they actually didn't) They used to watch news on computer via internet but not via box, as they said the Irish channels were crap and no point paying for a licence to see 2 channels.

    Personally I think the Licence is worthless, I pay it because I have a TV. But I rarely watch RTE.


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    #52
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    dimejinky99 wrote: »
    Computer monitors do not need a licence..that's one way around it. Lotta people I know use these as they're TVs.

    Yes they do, if they have a tuning card, they will need a licence...

    I have a licence, but only because one of them dudes came to the door. Moving house in a few months, I won't be buying another until the knock on the door again :)


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    #53
    Helix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    Eugene Polite Fossil wrote: »
    Yes they do, if they have a tuning card, they will need a licence...

    they dont need a tuning card any more

    a pc is sufficient to require a license


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    #54
    Ponster
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    Helix wrote: »
    a pc is sufficient to require a license

    I don't believe that.

    A quick read of the Wireless Telegraphy Act, 1926 suggests this :
    "station" means wireless telegraphy apparatus, including any aerials and the wires connected to the service points served by the apparatus, used solely for the purpose of relaying television programmes or television programmes and sound programmes and any apparatus associated with the apparatus aforesaid;


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    #55
    mickoneill30
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭mickoneill30


    Helix wrote: »
    they dont need a tuning card any more

    a pc is sufficient to require a license

    Have you got a link for that?

    From this
    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/consumer-affairs/media/tv_licences

    "You do not require a television licence to watch television on your computer or mobile phone. However, you do require a licence if the computer is used together with any other apparatus to receive a signal."


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    #56
    Ste.phen
    Registered Users Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭Ste.phen


    I thought you didn't need one for a TV unless it had a tuner.
    Isn't a licence (at a lower rate) also needed for a radio though? So most people's phones, with their radio tuners, would make them liable?


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    #57
    old gregg
    Registered Users Posts: 3,245 ✭✭✭old gregg


    so if the guy (making that assumption cos women don't wear corduroy blazers with elbow patches) came to the door and you were receiving terrestrial TV via an aerial in the attic could you not just say 'I don't have a TV and you can't come in cos there are children sleeping'?

    I did that for several years until I
    1) bought a new TV from a TV shop
    2) got in NTL
    3) my kids became teenagers
    at which time I guessed the odds were now stacked against me pulling it off so bought the licence and became a convert and now wear corduroy blazers with elbow patches during my working day :p


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    #58
    grundie
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭grundie


    I recently posted about my encounter with TV Licensing in the legal forum.

    In a nutshell the inspector tail-gated someone in to the apartment block I live in and then started knocking on doors. When he got to me and admitted he followed someone in when I challenged him I called security and had him removed from the building.

    Now I wait for their revenge as I can't see them being too happy with what i did.

    (I don't own a TV or an PC tuner card)


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    #59
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    Helix wrote: »
    they dont need a tuning card any more

    a pc is sufficient to require a license

    Link?
    Ste.phen wrote: »
    I thought you didn't need one for a TV unless it had a tuner.
    Isn't a licence (at a lower rate) also needed for a radio though? So most people's phones, with their radio tuners, would make them liable?

    Radio license abolished. Poster goes into a good bit of detail here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=60328931&postcount=9


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    #60
    Ste.phen
    Registered Users Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭Ste.phen


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    Radio license abolished. Poster goes into a good bit of detail here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=60328931&postcount=9

    Cheers, that clears up a misconception i've been spouting all over the place ;)


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    #61
    all the stars
    Registered Users Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭all the stars


    dlambirl wrote: »
    Once you have any piece of equipment that is capable of recieving Tv channels you are meant to have a TV licence.

    why?
    Its all a scam. If i buy a telly, i own it.
    same with Dog liciense....

    Flippin goverment money grabbin hooers!:mad: or who-ever... money grabbin whoers! the money they charge the companies to advertise covers their costs im sure. So why should we have to contribute anymore?


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