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Is this a way to scam out of paying a tv license

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    #122
    Local-womanizer
    Registered Users Posts: 3,798 ✭✭✭Local-womanizer


    The was a man in Kerry who never paid his license,mainly because he could not get a signal.

    He was brought to court over it and he won.The judge said why should he pay for a service that is not being supplied to him properly!


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    #123
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    Harry Huffnagle wrote: »
    I've not opened his post.
    The thing that was dropped in the letterbox yesterday was an attempted delivery card left by the postman - its not in an envelope.
    He can sign this to allow me to go and collect it for him.
    I'm just not sure if I should do this or not.

    You really should have wrote "Return to sender. No such person at this address" on the original postage. Maybe go to the post office and tell them no such person lives there and you are refusing the registered letter as such. Expect the inspectors to call to you soon after though, I'd imagine.


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    #124
    Harry Huffnagle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭Harry Huffnagle


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    You really should have wrote "Return to sender. No such person at this address" on the original postage. Maybe go to the post office and tell them no such person lives there and you are refusing the registered letter as such. Expect the inspectors to call to you soon after though, I'd imagine.

    That would have been a good idea alright. I think I'll try that with the post office regarding the registered letter, and just get a licence tomorrow.

    I rarely even use the tv anymore, as I just download or stream most programmes now.


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    #125
    DaeryssaOne
    Registered Users Posts: 443 ✭✭DaeryssaOne


    friends of mine got a registered letter last year. They had no idea what it was until they opened it and realised it was a summons. The hilarious thing is, is that they went to court and got fined LESS than the price of the license and never had to get a license anyway...


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    #126
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Harry Huffnagle wrote: »

    I don't want to collect it, cause I will have to sign for it myself and provide ID etc. But I'm worried it may be a summons or something like that, and I don't want my mate having to go to court.

    So I don't know whether to ignore it or collect it or maybe just a licence in my name right away.

    Has anyone got a registered letter from these guys before?

    It's not your letter so why would they give it to you anyway?


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    #127
    Harry Huffnagle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭Harry Huffnagle


    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    It's not your letter so why would they give it to you anyway?

    On the attempted delivery card that was left yesterday, there is a part where ther person its addressed to can sign and this allows another person to pick up the letter at the post office on their beahalf as long as they provide ID.

    Basically this whole thing is my problem, and I wouldn't want my friend having to go to court over it. So I'm just not sure what the best course of action is to get it sorted.


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    #128
    sweetie
    Registered Users Posts: 9,791 ✭✭✭sweetie


    so when analogue tv is turned off (next year?) my tv will no longer be capable of getting a signal. Can I tell them to stuff their license?

    Funny story; I was cooking a meal for a friend and in the middle the doorbell
    rang and I answered to see this guy with a clipboard who looked as if he was
    selling something and I told him 'not today thanks' and closed the door before
    he had a chance to answer. Found a letter later that night from the inspector
    saying he observed a Tv in the house and it was obviously through the gap under the blind. :(


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    #129
    Cringer
    Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭Cringer


    jaydoubleyoubee wrote: »
    @ Bob Z

    No, take the fuse out of the plug, the television set will appear to not work, however you can be prosecuted even if your tv is not working, but it is less likely to happen. As I said this is only good for students, who usually don't stay in the same place for more than 9 months.

    If the inspector was quick enough, they could feel the back of the TV to check if it's still warm :P


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    #130
    grundie
    Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭grundie


    I think I've come up with a great thing thing to say to the TV licence inspectors the next time they come round.

    When they ask to have a look around my flat when I tell them I have no TV I will ask to look around theirs as they have no gun licence and I need to check that they don't actually have a gun.

    That shoudl give them the hint.

    (may fail if they do have a gun licence, but that's not liekly)


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    #131
    jaydoubleyoubee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31 ✭jaydoubleyoubee


    Quick question does anyone know what a tv licence inspectors identification card or badge looks like?

    You could tell a TV licence inspector that last week a fake inspector called, you let him in and he held a gun to your and stole your TV, and now you'll need more than a piece of plastic to prove who a stranger is, also, you're trespassing, gtfo.


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    #132
    Donny5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,827 ✭✭✭Donny5


    Helix wrote: »
    they dont need a tuning card any more

    a pc is sufficient to require a license
    Edgedinblue wrote: »
    i think the whole tv licence thing is a load of bull, its an un-needed waste of money. i defo dont agree with being charged for having a computer screen either. i mean theres mobile phones in china (that can be brought over here with no problem) that recieve tv and have a tv aerial... would you need a licence for that too?

    No, you don't need a TV license for a phone under any circumstances.


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    #133
    Bob_Harris
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,619 ✭✭✭Bob_Harris


    I remember seeing this thread and never got around to post in it so here is my chance.

    The net is cast a bit wide with the whole "equipment capable of receiving a television signal" thumb rule.

    I mean, a satellite tuner can receive TV signals so to speak, but the only Irish TV channels ( i.e. the ones the TV license funds) on satellite are encrypted. Now to me an encrypted channel is nothing more than a data stream and does not exist as a channel until it is decrypted.

    As for the murmurs of needing a TV license for any PC with internet connection because I might / can look at RTE Player, well that's just nonsensical if it comes in.

    Anyone might / can look at child porn on the internet but that doesn't mean everyone with a PC and internet connection is sent to prison regardless if they do or do not look at it.

    Also, what if I have a PC, internet connection and a web browser but I do not have Flash player installed. RTE Player will not work without Flash.

    I can't see it being brought in for PCs with a net connection.


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    #134
    coolabula
    Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭coolabula


    Local-womanizer wrote: »
    The was a man in Kerry who never paid his license,mainly because he could not get a signal.

    He was brought to court over it and he won.The judge said why should he pay for a service that is not being supplied to him properly!

    Do you have more info on this? like date?
    Same problem with me, have tv for kids to play the Wii and watch DVD, have no signal, just static, explained this to the Inspector but he said needed a licence anyway, i rang RTE but they said its nothing to with them!! its An Post cause they collect the money and it goes to the government and RTE then get a grant from the government.
    I'm pissed off here, dont mind paying a once off licence fee (but why should I) defo dont want to pay RTE for a service they are not providing and frankly I can do without.
    The gas thing is that not only are RTE and An Post passing the ball to each other every time I ring, RTE said if I get a licence they will call out and see what the problem is with my reception!!!!
    Let them bring me to court I really dont care :mad:

    OK rant over Thanks


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    #135
    thegen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭thegen


    A little off topic but I have been told that the inspectors are hitting all the mobile home sites in Ireland. Should be fun


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    #136
    Greenmachine
    Registered Users Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭Greenmachine


    coolabula wrote: »
    Do you have more info on this? like date?
    Same problem with me, have tv for kids to play the Wii and watch DVD, have no signal, just static, explained this to the Inspector but he said needed a licence anyway, i rang RTE but they said its nothing to with them!! its An Post cause they collect the money and it goes to the government and RTE then get a grant from the government.
    I'm pissed off here, dont mind paying a once off licence fee (but why should I) defo dont want to pay RTE for a service they are not providing and frankly I can do without.
    The gas thing is that not only are RTE and An Post passing the ball to each other every time I ring, RTE said if I get a licence they will call out and see what the problem is with my reception!!!!
    Let them bring me to court I really dont care :mad:

    OK rant over Thanks

    Hopefully it won't need to come to you being brought to court. However the Judge might very easily follow the letter of the law in which case you have a Tv capable of receiving a signal. UNfortunately that is all that is nessesary in order to need a TV license.


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    #137
    coolabula
    Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭coolabula


    After calming down I remembered that we had Chorus out to our house a while back to get connected, the guy was on the roof and couldnt get a signal, so they are sending me a letter confirming this, hopefully this will be enough, if not its bye bye TV as I refuse to pay it, so fingers crossed or the kids will have to way to play their Wii.


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    #138
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    coolabula wrote: »
    the guy was on the roof and couldnt get a signal, so they are sending me a letter confirming this, hopefully this will be enough

    You will still have a television tuner which is what the licence is for. The licence is not for receiving RTÉ.


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    #139
    coolabula
    Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭coolabula


    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    You will still have a television tuner which is what the licence is for. The licence is not for receiving RTÉ.

    is this in the TV??
    can it be removed??


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    #140
    ROCKMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭ROCKMAN


    Let him in and

    a Kill him and hide the body behind the sofa
    or
    b Give him a class of coke and charge him € 166.00 for it.
    or
    c And leg it from the flat screaming RAPE RAPE


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    #141
    mickoneill30
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭mickoneill30


    coolabula wrote: »
    is this in the TV??
    can it be removed??

    Yes & Yes but I sent AnPost in a question like that a while ago. They sent back

    "My understanding of your situation is that you possess a TV set which has been adapted to disable its signal reception capability.
    In legal terms a television set, as per the Broadcasting and Wireless Telegraphy Act 1988,
    means "any apparatus for wireless telegraphy capable of receiving and exhibiting television programmes broadcast for general reception whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on the use of anything else in conjunction therewith and any assembly comprising such apparatus and other apparatus.

    Based on this broad definition, An Post's contention is that even if a television set is modified and not used to receive television signals it is still an apparatus for wireless telegraphy and as such requires a licence."

    So disabling the tuner isn't good enough for An Post.


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    #142
    raindog.promo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭raindog.promo


    In legal terms a television set, as per the Broadcasting and Wireless Telegraphy Act 1988,
    means "any apparatus for wireless telegraphy capable of receiving and exhibiting television programmes broadcast for general reception

    But if the tuner is removed then the apparatus is incapable of receiving a broadcast and therefore doesn't qualify as a television set?
    whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on the use of anything else in conjunction therewith and any assembly comprising such apparatus and other apparatus.

    This wouldn't apply either way then because the apparatus doesn't qualify as a television set?


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    #143
    RoyalMarine
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭RoyalMarine


    do i need a tv licence if i only use my tv to connect to my pc?
    i dont have sky, nor chorus, nor co-ax etc. its basically used as a monitor to do my college work on.


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    #144
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    RoyalMarineComm wrote: »
    do i need a tv licence if i only use my tv to connect to my pc?
    i dont have sky, nor chorus, nor co-ax etc. its basically used as a monitor to do my college work on.


    Yes.


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