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Fitness Forum Feedback - we want yore opinionz

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  • #212
    brianthebard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    So long as knee wraps are seperate to non wrapped I don't see and issue with including them, but I'm pretty sure they would add a few kilos to one's total? Nothing wrong with sleeves I think, from what you've said before they don't actually add anything to the lift, right?


  • #213
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    Hanley wrote: »
    Do you mean press-outs?
    Exactly - if it's pressed, it's not an oly lift.
    Hanley wrote:
    Isn't there less potential to put weight up when doing the lifts "wrong" tho? Like the lifter with a solid jerk and tight snatch is always going to put up more that way than if they were to try and push press the weight no?
    It depends on the strength of an individual, but by and large from what I've seen someone strong but not well versed in oly technique will be able to lift more with bad form than good through sheer brute force.

    I just don't see the point in someone having the accreditation of having a "best c&j" when they've actually done a muscle up and a push-press :D Same as with your PLing rules, if it wouldn't pass in a comp (however sloppy it might be) then it won't pass here.


  • #214
    Paul Tergat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,801 ✭✭✭✭Paul Tergat


    I have only been reading the forum (and have yet to post in it btw) for about a month or so now as I finally look to get myself into some sort of shape.

    I only really have a couple of things to say.

    Firstly, its a very well moderated forum. The mods always give helpful advice which really encourages other to do the same. There is a good spirit within this forum as far as i can see and it seems like any newbie can easily become integrated.

    The only slight problem I can see is that it can take quite a while to read up on everything (of course not the fault of the posters its just the nature of what fitness is about).

    Anyway, a good forum on boards imo and I will continue to read the helpful advice thats posted.

    EDIT: any kind of uniformity is very difficult to achieve in this forum I reckon as those new to the fitness forum will be looking for specific, tailored needs and thus the responses (for some may repeat sure) often need to be different.


  • #215
    Paul Tergat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,801 ✭✭✭✭Paul Tergat


    Oh and while im here, do any posters have like a diary to show their progress or anything like that?

    That's something that I would find particularly useful, can be used as inspiration/a means to carry on with what I intend to do + im sure it would benefit the poster as well!


  • #216
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    There's a whole sub-forum of logs which should provide plenty of inspriation!! :D


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  • #217
    Paul Tergat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,801 ✭✭✭✭Paul Tergat


    Ha, how I have missed that I do not know, my eyes have been opened! (Me having not been to bed last night and doing a 30 min run is my excuse).

    Kind of proves my point though about the help you get on the forum ;)


  • #218
    BossArky
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,704 Mod ✭✭✭✭BossArky


    Thanks Hanley & g'em for those oly & powerlifting rules.
    Hanley wrote: »
    A final consideration, for those of us who don't take raw maxes often, can we use a multi rep set for our entry? Like provided one rep within the set is "good" per the rules, can it be counted?

    Slight problem with this is that the poster in first may have a max of 105kg, whilst the poster in second has a max of 100kg... but did 5 reps.... so it is not a true 2nd place as obviously the 2nd placed poster is stronger.
    Hanley wrote: »
    Personally I would suggest we DO NOT use a rep max calculator to extrapolate a 1rm. The weight you post, even if it's for a set of 5, is the weight you use for the comp.

    I agree --> No one rep max calculators. If you want it to count you have to lift it.


    FYI - We're almost there. I'd estimate that the fitness records thread will be up and running in the fitness log by the middle of the weekend.

    I'm not going to be online much between now and Thursday due to studying.

    It will take a short while to tidy up the recent records suggestion post, add rules, disclaimers, tables, etc.

    Any other input that comes in over the next few days will be considered.


  • #219
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    BossArky wrote: »
    Thanks Hanley & g'em for those oly & powerlifting rules.



    Slight problem with this is that the poster in first may have a max of 105kg, whilst the poster in second has a max of 100kg... but did 5 reps.... so it is not a true 2nd place as obviously the 2nd placed poster is stronger.

    Oh yeah I know.... it just might be the case that someone is at a particular point in their training that taking a 1rm of heavy single might not be productive, but they still want a spot on the table.

    If it is the case that they're truly stronger, then things should even themselves out over time. Like take myself for example, the chances of me taking a heavy single in anything to enter the comp any time soon isn't gonna happen, but I'd still like to take part. So I figured even tho I wouldn't be using max weights, I'd still have evidence of me squatting it, and if someone posts a higher lift for a single (looking at you Kev) then I can't b!tch or moan because I haven't tried to better it - my own fault basically....

    Over the next 5 or 6 months my training weights will be getting higher while the reps will be dropping, which would give a better approximation of my actual strength levels ya know? So I could update my entry as that happens.....

    Up to you obviously!! Just thought it'd be a good way for people who don't wanna take singles for whatever reason to get on the board!


  • #220
    brianthebard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    Yeah I think that's a fair point, I won't be going for a max dead again for a good few months I think, but if I could post a number from a set of three that's around 90% then I'd be happy enough that it was fairly representative of where I am strength/training wise.


  • #221
    BossArky
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,704 Mod ✭✭✭✭BossArky


    Yes, Hanley I agree with you. Maybe I came across wrongly.

    It was just an observation I was making :pac:

    The point is to get as many people involved as possible.


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  • #222
    kevpants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Hanley wrote: »
    If someone posts a higher lift for a single (looking at you Kev) then I can't b!tch or moan because I haven't tried to better it - my own fault basically....

    Ya better get bloody used to it I'm sticking my Belfast vid up on day one of this.

    pwned.jpg?w=420&h=315


  • #223
    itsallaboutheL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,333 ✭✭✭✭itsallaboutheL


    Loving the gingerness!!


  • #224
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    kevpants wrote: »
    Ya better get bloody used to it I'm sticking my Belfast vid up on day one of this.

    pwned.jpg?w=420&h=315

    Meh.... I've my PAUSED 140kg bench in competition and multiple 250 deadlifts to put up.


  • #225
    kevpants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Hanley wrote: »
    Meh.... I've my PAUSED 140kg bench in competition and multiple 250 deadlifts to put up.

    Yeah.



    But you want the squat don't you?


    You want it bad.



    It whispers to you in the night....


  • #226
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    kevpants wrote: »
    Yeah.



    But you want the squat don't you?


    You want it bad.



    It whispers to you in the night....

    That's it, lets go.


  • #227
    Malteaser!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭Malteaser!


    Maybe this has already been mentioned and I missed it but how will the submission of a record be processed? Lets say you have a video of yourself which you think will break one of the records, will there be a thread that you post that video into and the judges make a decision from there or will all potential records be sent privately to a judge who then discusses it with the other judges before putting it into the record table?


  • #228
    BossArky
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,704 Mod ✭✭✭✭BossArky


    The first few posts will contain the records. The rest of the thread will be where people can post submissions and discuss, etc.

    The tables will be updated once a week or so.


  • #229
    Davei141
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭Davei141


    After the recent form check posts how about a form sticky for people to ask and post vids find out whats good/bad etc.


  • #230
    ScissorPaperRock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭ScissorPaperRock


    Davei141 wrote: »
    After the recent form check posts how about a form sticky for people to ask and post vids find out whats good/bad etc.

    Sounds like a good idea


  • #231
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    Davei141 wrote: »
    After the recent form check posts how about a form sticky for people to ask and post vids find out whats good/bad etc.

    Was going to suggest the same myself (being on of said form check posters)


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  • #232
    Malteaser!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭Malteaser!


    Davei141 wrote: »
    After the recent form check posts how about a form sticky for people to ask and post vids find out whats good/bad etc.

    That's not a bad idea actually!


  • #233
    Malteaser!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭Malteaser!


    BossArky wrote: »
    The first few posts will contain the records. The rest of the thread will be where people can post submissions and discuss, etc.

    The tables will be updated once a week or so.

    Cheers for that, sounds good.

    Will there be different judges for each category or will it be just up to the mods??


  • #234
    BossArky
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,704 Mod ✭✭✭✭BossArky


    Malteaser! wrote: »
    Cheers for that, sounds good.

    Will there be different judges for each category or will it be just up to the mods??
    • We could be democratic and allow everyone to have a say in the judging (within reason). No point in having just a small bunch of mods or judges being burdened with judging everything. This could cause a bottleneck when people aren't around... and increase the work load on mods.

      We all know who the experts are anyway.

      e.g. Hanley, kevpants, & the competitive powerlifters on the powerlifting side, whilst g'em on oly lifting. The opinion of these posters will carry the weight.

      The other records (some which will require video evidence, others which won't) will just be up to group consensus on proper form. There will be rules for each when I get around to writing them after Thursday.

      e.g. push ups, burpees, pull ups, etc.

      I was thinking that video evidence should be required for stuff that can take place in one spot and last less than a few mins. Anything longer will just have to be done on trust, else it becomes to restrictive. After a few months when we get decent times in the "not verified by video evidence" category we can perhaps get some vids of the top performers.
      A few of the records may not take off. We can review the list after 6 months.
    • Some people may be too shy to submit a video in a public forum. They could just send it to the mods and ask for them to circulate it to the judges. If successful they get added to the table without having to post the video. I'm guessing this may be the case with some female posters.
    Davei141 wrote: »
    After the recent form check posts how about a form sticky for people to ask and post vids find out whats good/bad etc.

    I'll let someone else answer this one --> Khannie / g'em / Smashey


  • #235
    Vegeta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    Hanley wrote: »
    Bench:
    -equipment allowed; belt, wrist wraps, elbow sleeves
    -take the bar out of the rack to arms length
    -lower the bar until it touches your chest and then reverse it
    -ABSOLUTELY NO BOUNCING or touches from a spotters
    -ass and shoulders must stay in contact with the ground at all times
    -bar must return to arms length and be under the control of the lifter before replacing it in the rack (ie you can't press it into the rack)

    Just a question on this one folks, do you have to unrack the bar under your own steam or can your spotter(s) assist.

    Cant watch the vid as work is a balls for blocking it


  • #236
    kevpants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Vegeta wrote: »
    Just a question on this one folks, do you have to unrack the bar under your own steam or can your spotter(s) assist.

    Cant watch the vid as work is a balls for blocking it

    Lift-offs are allowed I presume.


  • #237
    _JOE_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭_JOE_


    Hanley wrote: »
    General Rules:


    Deadlift:
    -equipment allowed; belt, wrist wraps, elbow sleeves, knee sleeves, NO STRAPS connecting you to the bar
    -dip, grip and rip
    -no hitching (ie getting the bar to just above your knees, resting it there and shaking back and forward to get it to lockout)
    -knees must be fully locked at the top
    -hips must be fully locked (think glutes through, don't just lean back from your lower back)
    -shoulders must be in a normal standing position (rounded forward not allowed)
    -bar must be returned to the ground under relative control (ie no dropping)
    -sumo or conventional is allowed

    Is chalk allowed?


  • #238
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    kevpants wrote: »
    Lift-offs are allowed I presume.
    _JOE_ wrote: »
    Is chalk allowed?

    Yes and yes.

    Sorry, took those ones for granted!!


  • #239
    Malteaser!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,234 ✭✭✭Malteaser!


    BossArky wrote: »

    Crossfit - Fran: 21 Pull Ups, 21 Thrusters w/45kg, 15 Pull Ups, 15 Thrusters w/45kg, 9 Pull Ups, 9 Thrusters w/45kg (women = 15kg??)

    I see that you've scaled the weight right back for the women there. Any chance of a scale back on the pull ups also?? I dunno how many women we have on the board capable of doing doing 21, 15 and 9 pull ups one after another.

    I know when I was at Crossfit Open Day the girls were doing jumping pull ups. There's also the option of machine assisted pull ups, pull ups using bands etc. Maybe we could pick one method so everyone is doing the same thing??


  • #240
    Killme00
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,441 ✭✭✭Killme00


    Malteaser! wrote: »
    I see that you've scaled the weight right back for the women there. Any chance of a scale back on the pull ups also?? I dunno how many women we have on the board capable of doing doing 21, 15 and 9 pull ups one after another.

    I know when I was at Crossfit Open Day the girls were doing jumping pull ups. There's also the option of machine assisted pull ups, pull ups using bands etc. Maybe we could pick one method so everyone is doing the same thing??

    Band assisted pullups would be an idea. I still cant do one although i am so fecking close.


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  • #241
    BossArky
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,704 Mod ✭✭✭✭BossArky


    Ok, I'm back and will get these records set up over the weekend.
    Malteaser! wrote: »
    I see that you've scaled the weight right back for the women there. Any chance of a scale back on the pull ups also?? I dunno how many women we have on the board capable of doing doing 21, 15 and 9 pull ups one after another.

    I know when I was at Crossfit Open Day the girls were doing jumping pull ups. There's also the option of machine assisted pull ups, pull ups using bands etc. Maybe we could pick one method so everyone is doing the same thing??

    I just found out that women use 30kg for the Fran workout... so scaling that one back up! :pac:

    Transform previously suggested the following via PM:

    - women can replace pull ups with a seated row with 1/3 bodyweight.

    - men (who cannot do pull ups) can replace pull ups with a seated row with 1/2 bodyweight.


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