Prostitution

AARRRGH · 15-05-2009 04:17PM

herya wrote: »

To me (based on observations I made described in my initial post here and on other accounts) your attitude and examples seem as far from the medium as are underpriviledged heroin addicts and you have no grounding calling them extreme.

I am repeating myself now, but the examples I gave were to show there are all sorts of women with all sorts of lives working as prostitutes.

I am fully aware and have always said that it would be a mistake to generalise that all prostitutes are the same. They're not.

aare wrote: »

But that "worse case scenario" can be almost anything, or more likely, any combination of anything:
A disabled child and inadequate provision.

Appeasing a violent and or drug abusing spouse.

Escaping a violent and/or drug abusing spouse.

Medical bills.

Accumulated debt.

Redundancy.

Absence of family supports in *any* crisis.

Absence of social and community supports in *any* crisis.

Other

But aare, isn't it a bit dramatic to say that when you have any of those problems you have no choice other than to become a prostitute?

Anyone presented with those problems will still have many other options, and prostitution is most certainly not - in your own words - the "best" option.

AARRRGH · 15-05-2009 04:29PM

Gemini Sister wrote: »

I notice how you as a mature well travelled man wouldn't do what you think is perfectly fine for fragile young girls to do cause you wouldn't want the trauma or the memories. Oh but its their choice so let them do it. Sure, why not, its a free market, and they're not your problem, someone else's daughter, sister whatever, right?

Klaz is free to live his life any way he chooses, and he has already stated he does not want to dictate how anyone else leads their life.

Like me, he respects the concept of personal freedom and personal responsibility - if you want to be a prostitute, fine, it's your life.

Instead of worrying about what other people are doing, you should worry about your own life. If I was a male prostitute I'd hate to have a bunch of aul one's sticking their nose into my business claiming I am not in control of my life and I need help.

15-05-2009 08:22PM

Gemini Sister wrote: »

I heard that the supermodel looking one got shipped off to the funny farm but I don't know where she is now. She was schizo and talking to herself. The smart one was trying to do a secretarial type course. Perhaps she stuck with it, or perhaps she was tempted back to a lifestyle that she knew was damaging her by big money. That would be a big tempt when you're 20 with no family support. And I wrote about the other one already. So that 2 of the three girls I knew who had serious psych probs. Coincidence? Oh but maybe there were like that anyway? Prostitution attracts vulnerable girls? Or maybe what they did for money made them that way?

All of the girls I have known or still know who are involved in prostitution, had "psych problems". Although that's way too general a term. Their "problems" mostly came from before they started selling themselves. Society itself, their parents, aggressive boys/girls in school, etc. All of them had a series of problems from their teens which encouraged them to see the world as being different to other "normal" people.

Prostitution is a major profession. Its simply a tool to make money. Some do well, and earn loads. Others do only ok, and stagger along. And others fail utterly, and develop a worse life than before. Considering the shear number of people involved directly with prostitution, its kinda hard to paint them all as being innocent or vulnerable girls.

But how they suffer doesn't really matter anyway because at some stage along the road to misery they made a choice.

Does the pain that I have received in my life for my previous choices matter to you? Somehow I doubt it.

I notice how you as a mature well travelled man wouldn't do what you think is perfectly fine for fragile young girls to do cause you wouldn't want the trauma or the memories.

Yup. And I don't force men or women into prostitution.

Oh but its their choice so let them do it. Sure, why not, its a free market, and they're not your problem, someone else's daughter, sister whatever, right?

Ahh the old arguments which always pop up. Which I have already dealt with a few times in this thread.

In any case, you're jumping a bit with this. I believe in people having the choice to develop their lives. I believe in having responsibility to acknowledge our own mistakes and seek something better for ourselves. It doesn't matter who's daughter, mother, sister, etc it is.

Lastly, I notice how you never cry horror at the men working in prostitution.

As for the russian girls, let me clarify. Those educated girls weren't having sex for money. There were professional beauties gold digging for husbands, not renting out their genitals. About 1% of ladies have the beauty brains and self control to make their fortune that way and they don't get there by shagging.

Whereas the majority of prostitutes do indeed need to provide sex to get any money or privileges from their clients.

As for male prossies... I've never known any so I can't say how they get it up. But maybe *shock*horror* sex might be different for men and women?

Not so different. There are a few basics about arousal which both men and women are limited by.

15-05-2009 08:24PM

Gemini Sister wrote: »

Heroine is illegal because it damages the majority of people who take it (though there are exceptions to every rule e.g. the fabled junkie doctors with pure supply). Yet junkies choose to take it or at least chose to take it once.

You're seeking to compare prostitution with drug abuse? Haven't we had enough of this already?

But despite report after report after report showing that the majority of women in prostitution are damaged by it (the exceptions being the fabled business women types), society still condones it.

Strange. I haven't seen any societies approving heroin abuse by its populations.

I've seen plenty of societies cry out in shock and dismay at the problems, and then ignore them. But then society is based on Hypocrisy.

Why? Because the women choose to do or at least chose to do it once?

You've lost me. Women doing heroin or prostitution once?

Or because the men who go to prossies don't want to see themselves badly?

Why would they? Its only you and the people who disapprove of any form of prostitution that would judge him (or her) that way.

Its interesting that you appear to always see the client being male, and the prostitute female..

15-05-2009 08:31PM

aare wrote: »

Actually, I am reliably informed that it is quite easy for a man to make a sexual fetish of intercourse with anyone who does not attract him...

Really? Quite easy? Right. I can reliably inform you that this is not the case with all men.

It's a submission/degradation dyad, more commonly used as means of avoiding intimacy...

Which if we follow the hidden stereotype, men avoid intimacy, so therefore they must be capable of this submission/degradation dyad? hmmm....

The only problem being that there really isn't much of a market for it.

That's silly. A huge portion of the world prostitution market consists of male prostitutes.

aare · 15-05-2009 08:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Does the pain that I have received in my life for my previous choices matter to you? Somehow I doubt it.

Yesterday, I can assure you, that mattered to me...but I don't think it should any more.

Gemini Sister · 15-05-2009 11:19PM

This is my last post in this thread which has clearly gone stale and silly.

klaz and aaargh, you believe that sex is the same for men and women. You also fundamentally believe sex for money for women is a transaction like any other.

We're not going to agree.

Could it be something to do with you both being men? You won't accept that argument because you won't accept a difference between men and women. So enough of the circular arguments.

As for why I haven't addressed male prostitution: I wouldn't dare talk about something I don't have even a basic understanding of. I'm not male. I don't understand male sexuality, gay or straight.

And yes we do all have choices. But we don't all make good choices and we (you, me, society) don't have to pretend bad choices are ok simply because they're choices. Think of it next time you go to be serviced.

(Klaz you say other people's bad choices are their business. For me participating in someone's bad choice, someone who you know and admit is damaged, just for your sexual relief... well I don't know if there shouldn't be a law against it, but I'd walk away from that like I'd walk away from a bad smell.)

And FYI aaaargh, I'm far from being an oul one.

All I'll say boys is that I'm just glad I've never had to pay for sex

AARRRGH · 15-05-2009 11:23PM

Gemini Sister wrote: »

klaz and aaargh, you believe that sex is the same for men and women.

No I don't.

Gemini Sister wrote: »

You also fundamentally believe sex for money for women is a transaction like any other.

No I don't.

I don't understand how you came to the above two conclusions.

Gemini Sister wrote: »

And yes we do all have choices. But we don't all make good choices and we (you, me, society) don't have to pretend bad choices are ok simply because they're choices. Think of it next time you go to be serviced.

I have never had sex with a prostitute.

I believe in personal freedom and personal responsibility so that means respecting all choices, whether or not I think they're good or bad.

Your assumptions about me are totally wrong.

AARRRGH · 15-05-2009 11:27PM

aare wrote: »

Yesterday, I can assure you, that mattered to me...but I don't think it should any more.

You are so full of hatred. Give it a rest.

AARRRGH · 15-05-2009 11:48PM

@Gemini sister:

Great username btw.

You have to look at the bigger picture.

If you are a supporter of women's rights (like I am), you have to respect the choices women make, assume women are competent, and not try to restrict their freedom.

By banning prostitution you are saying women are incapable of making competent choices about their sexuality, and that you want to restrict what choices women can make.

I understand and am saddened that there are some tragic prostitution stories, but you have to look at the bigger picture and realise personal freedom is best for us in the long run.

aare · 16-05-2009 12:25AM

Gemini Sister wrote: »

This is my last post in this thread which has clearly gone stale and silly.

Great minds think alike, Gemini Sister.

Joey the lips · 16-05-2009 08:43AM

Hi Folks no doubt most of you are deleating these messages cause they are boring pointless and repeating at this stage. I have followed this thread from the start and it is a follow on from the proistitution thread last week. It strikes me as funny there is really only a couple of lines of arguement on both sides unless you count the rant which says its good for women( Yes you guessed it, the all knowing man ssid this.) This is the crux of the arguement

For

1. Make lots of money
2. Enjoy it
3. Legalising it offers protection
4. There is nothing wrong with it
5. Feminists are only against it (Daft - but it came up! )
6. its NSA Sex

against

1,Its exploitation of women
2. Trafficking

See in both arguements there is only 2 important points.

For
Legalising offers protection

This is true of the legal brothals and mybe visitors to amsterdam etc go to the legal brothals but the locals dont. There is a massive amount of illegal brothals operating and this is where the problem is. An illegal operation will always operate along side the legal one. I am not wasteing my time proving it you will just have to trust me! It was covered on the last thread!

Against

Exploitation - all the immegal women into the country end up in these illegal brothals and this does encourage traffiking

You will notice I have not gone much into both points, why? cause I honestly believe that those who support it dont give a sh1t and those who are against it know this.

The only saving grace is

1. Thank god the opinions on boards are so wacked that they will never run the country!
2. Most people contributing prob have girlfriends and have not the guts to express these opinions to them

So really I think thank god we are safe from Prostitution, Hash and the mail pill for a few years yet!

Look on the bright side.... Flights to amsterdam are cheap with aerlingus!

Gemini Sister · 16-05-2009 09:59AM

And one last thing!

Klaz on the subject of sex being different for men and women you said:

Deleted User wrote: »

Not so different. There are a few basics about arousal which both men and women are limited by.

Actually not so. I hate to shatter your illusions but women can have sex without being aroused at all. Thats at least one fundamental difference. Do you think there could be psychological differences too? Like a few millenia of women instinctively wanting to choose the best sperm and not that of drunk out of shape fuglies that they'll never see again (with any luck)?

Aaargh, sorry for implying you went to prossies. I know you said you worked in porn before, but I made an assumption about where the rest of your expertise on the matter came from.

To surmise I haven't a clue about legislation. I know formerly liberal countries, with years of research, are choosing to crack down on it. I'd probably say yeah let them do it, why not? But not because I think prostitution is a fine business model for all involved.Talk of choice sounds beautiful on a humanities board... I'm glad not of us have to deal to closely with the gruesome practicalities of it all.

AARRRGH · 16-05-2009 11:54AM

@Joey the lips:

I think you've misunderstood (or skipped) many of the arguments from both sides, but that's ok, I don't expect you to concentrate for 45 pages.

The main difference between both groups is one side is only focussing on the suffering, whereas the other side is looking at the bigger picture. Having a black and white view of things (e.g. there is suffering so lets ban it) is a bit simplistic and could be applied to nearly everything (e.g. cars actually kill hundreds of people in Ireland every year, alcohol causes massive suffering, etc.)

@Gemini sister:

Research prostitution in New Zealand. The Dutch model isn't the only model, there are many others which have been very successful. The Kiwi system has seen improved working conditions for the women, and the removal of a lot of the gang controlled prostitution. It is considered a success.

aare · 16-05-2009 12:03PM

Joey the lips wrote: »

1. Thank god the opinions on boards are so wacked that they will never run the country!
2. Most people contributing prob have girlfriends and have not the guts to express these opinions to them

So really I think thank god we are safe from Prostitution, Hash and the mail pill for a few years yet!

Look on the bright side.... Flights to amsterdam are cheap with aerlingus!

Hi Joey,

I have to say that I believe in realistic decriminalisation. The current legislation is not realistic as it leaves an act of prostitution, per se, legal while crimalising pretty much everything else involved in working as an independent prostitute.

I would not support full legalisation simply because the idea of anyone having to flat back it further, to pay the revenue commisioners, appalls me to the core. That would just be the "state as pimp"...which brings me neatly to my next point.

I believe there need to be absolutely draconian measures in place against all forms of third party "living off immoral earnings" and the exploitation of prostitutes.

Any money a person makes from sex work should be theirs to keep, and anyone who makes a living by depriving them of any portion of that should get a mandatory, and significant, jail sentence.

I do not believe in criminalising clients. The women are in prostitution because they need the money, what purpose does it serve to make it harder than it already is for them to get it? Also, I cannot, for the life of me, see how any man is committing a crime by paying a fair price for casual sex rather then trawling nightclubs looking for someone to make use of for it.

I did finally see the other thread you referred to last night...and amongst other things, I have to say I will be a long while living down the fact that I actually managed, a few weeks ago, in effect, to mistake "the shopping channel" for serious research.

I must be losing my edge.

Joey the lips · 16-05-2009 12:07PM

AARRRGH wrote: »

@Joey the lips:

I think you've misunderstood (and skipped) quite a lot of the arguments from both sides, but that's ok, I don't expect you to concentrate for 45 pages.

@Gemini sister:

Research prostitution in New Zealand. The Dutch model isn't the only model, there are many others which have been very successful. The Kiwi system has seen improved working conditions for the women, and the removal of a lot of the gang controlled prostitution. It is considered a success.

No your incorrect I provided links to the new zealand study they have exactly the same problem as the dutch! Your point is correct about it improving working conditions but the illegal side still operates including the gang side its for this reason they are talking of closing it down. This also is factual

I have been following the arguement and as you to were one of the main contributors to the last arguement you know I provided links.

But its good to see this thread has proved more of a mans thread than a gender equal thread. Needless to say as the OP said and i agree. Its immoral and with the goverment been unable to protect the streets adaquatly now you can bet they wont if its legal

Good luck though. You have about 10 regular contributors here who will vote for it!

16-05-2009 01:55PM

Gemini Sister wrote: »

Actually not so. I hate to shatter your illusions but women can have sex without being aroused at all. Thats at least one fundamental difference. Do you think there could be psychological differences too? Like a few millenia of women instinctively wanting to choose the best sperm and not that of drunk out of shape fuglies that they'll never see again (with any luck)?

When did I ever say that women couldn't have sex without being aroused?

My reference was in regards to male arousal. Thought it was pretty obvious.

aare · 16-05-2009 01:59PM

Joey the lips wrote: »

Its immoral and with the goverment been unable to protect the streets adaquatly now you can bet they wont if its legal

You might be interested to know that Ireland is one of the cases that suggest such thinking may be a fallacy.

In 1992, prior to recriminalisation there was little or no commercial pimping (whatever about a few "poor relationship choices"), no involvement from organised crime at all, hard drug abuse was a rarity and we hadn't had a hooker murdered since the 20s.

There are very simple reasons for this.

As long as prostitutes and their clients could not be, effectively, prosecuted, the women were not vulnerable to offers of outside "protection" (that, almost invariably, present, initially as sources of sincere service and support), because they could call the Police to protect them and safely do their own "marketing" without any kind of "middleman" to provide a buffer from prosecution. They were also empowered and autonomous had no use for them so why on EARTH would they hand over money?

Even at the draft stage of the 1993 bill, organised crime saw it as an opportunity to start "moving in" on the sex industry in Dublin for the first time in over a decade.

By 1995, hard drug use was the norm rather than a rarity, and, various kinds of pimps were common.

By 1997, two prostitutes had already been murdered.

*Immoral* is a very relative term.

I believe it is ABSOLUTELY immoral that any person should be cornered by circumstances into having to actively participate in the sex industry, and rent out a part of themselves that they should be able to keep strictly for their personal use (whatever they decide that should be)...but, on the other hand, I cannot see any way you can realistically ensure against that happening to people, and as long as it does, it only compounds the immorality to stratospheric proportions to obstruct, or worse, punish them for what is, after all, punishment enough in itself. If you believe prostitution is wrong I think you should just thank heavens you have never been cornered into having to do it, and if you cannot help and protect those who are, at least leave them in peace.

I believe sexual morality is something we should all decide for ourselves in accord with our individual beliefs....and leave others decide their own.

I know how I feel about a person choosing to have sex with a consenting adult - I feel that is nobody's business but their own.

I know how I feel about a person setting out to take their sexual needs from another by manipulation without giving that other anything that they want in return (eg. talking someone into a one night stand by pretending a far greater and more personal interest) - I feel that is abusive and degrading for the target.

I know how I feel about a man who gives a woman money that she, most certainly wants and needs, in return for sex that he wants - I feel that is nobody's business but their own.

It would be better, fairer and more effective to campaign for impartial state controlled resources to address the needs of women seeking to leave prostitution...

The private charities, just like any pimp, depend upon keeping women in prostitution for their existance...and just like any pimp, they seem to intend to sustain that.

The last 1993 Sex Offences Bill, became, in effect, a "pimps charter", I honestly believe further criminalistation would be more of the same, and doubt that it is coincidence that Ruhama/WHP have done an about turn, reneging on ever assurance they ever gave the women they work with in order to show a mandate for grant aid and campaigning for further recriminalisation.

On foot of a recession like this, as, not only are more women driven into prostitution, but also more bottom feeders rise from the ruins of their nominally more legitimate businesses in the hope of exploiting them.

That is already happening, and unless the State legislate to support and protect the independence of ALL prostitutes it is going to turn into a dangerous cattle market from hell that nobody can ever escape from at all.

16-05-2009 02:22PM

Gemini Sister wrote: »

This is my last post in this thread which has clearly gone stale and silly.

In parts, yes.

klaz and aaargh, you believe that sex is the same for men and women. You also fundamentally believe sex for money for women is a transaction like any other.

I love it when people tell me what I believe and get it completely wrong.

We're not going to agree.

I sensed that.

Could it be something to do with you both being men? You won't accept that argument because you won't accept a difference between men and women. So enough of the circular arguments.

hardly.. Why do many female posters try to turn this conversation into one about gender differences? Plenty of male posters here have come out against prostitution. And some female posters have thrown out fairly moderate opinions on the subject.

I know its hard to read the full thread, but it might help.

As for why I haven't addressed male prostitution: I wouldn't dare talk about something I don't have even a basic understanding of. I'm not male. I don't understand male sexuality, gay or straight.

Which hasn't stopped you talking about men..

And yes we do all have choices. But we don't all make good choices and we (you, me, society) don't have to pretend bad choices are ok simply because they're choices.

Black and white. Its amazing the way that posters who are so against prostitution can only see in black & white. I spoke about giving people choice. I didn't say good or bad choices. I said choice. And you have adapted it to suit your own stance...

Think of it next time you go to be serviced.

Get over yourself. Read the actual thread rather than skimming. Seriously the truth is there. Even in the last 2 pages, I say my status with "servicing"..

(Klaz you say other people's bad choices are their business. For me participating in someone's bad choice, someone who you know and admit is damaged, just for your sexual relief... well I don't know if there shouldn't be a law against it, but I'd walk away from that like I'd walk away from a bad smell.)

Your choice. Do you want me to remove that choice from you, and tell you what you have to do?

All I'll say boys is that I'm just glad I've never had to pay for sex

your choice. :rolleyes:

AARRRGH · 16-05-2009 02:33PM

Joey the lips wrote: »

Its immoral

You think it is immoral but that is not a valid reason to ban something.

What about the poeple who don't think it is immoral? That includes prostitutes, punters, and even people who don't like prostitution.

What if I say I happen to think wearing skirts is immoral? Should we ban the wearing of skirts? You might think this is ridiculous, but I also think your opinion on prostitution is ridiculous.

It is wrong to force your morals onto everyone, because everyone has a different moral code.

AARRRGH · 16-05-2009 02:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Black and white. Its amazing the way that posters who are so against prostitution can only see in black & white. I spoke about giving people choice. I didn't say good or bad choices. I said choice.

I know, I find this quite amazing.

If you followed their black and white way of thinking, you could probably argue everything should be banned.

aare · 16-05-2009 05:21PM

Incidentally, I forgot to mention that the reason the 1993 Act became, in effect a "pimp's charter" is because while it left the act of prostitution itself legal the limitations of the act made it virtually impossible for a prostitute to function and earn a realistic living as an independent.

In 1992 almost all prostitutes in Ireland were, at least to an extent, independents. Even the women working in the existing agencies and parlours were in no way dependent upon them, and from such a position of strength functioned as independent contractors who could, and frequently did withdraw their larbour and work independently when the terms and conditions did not suit them.

Since the 1993 act, prostitution in Ireland has certainly boomed, but now, according to information gathered in the past 12 months, the vast majority are no longer independent but rather rigidly controlled by a small "closed shop" of escort agencies, which market themselves as "agencies for independent escorts" (and, in some cases originally were before being "bought" out in the past 10 years) but in fact are in ownership that, insofar as it is traceable past the "front", seem to invariably resolve to a UK holding company with strong connections to organised crime.

This "closed shop" expects at least 50% of a prostitute's fee...and if they don't pay up there is no other way for them to work at all.

AARRRGH · 16-05-2009 05:54PM

aare wrote: »

This "closed shop" expects at least 50% of a prostitute's fee...and if they don't pay up there is no other way for them to work at all.

Your knowledge of prostitution is outdated. Things have changed a lot since the 90's - mainly due to the internet.

The biggest area of prostitution at the moment is "independent escorts".

Just go to the various prostitution websites and you will see this -

escortireland.com
escort-ireland.com
irishindependentescorts.com

The escorts are geniunely independent. (I know this because I've interviewed a few of the prostitutes who advertise on those websites, and I've also interviewed some of the people who run those websites.)

Andrea88 · 09-06-2009 12:09AM

Maybe I have picked a bad time but........all here for prostitution and interested let me know,I'LL GO EASY ON YE'RE WALLETS

:D:D
Alot of valid points on both ends but nowadays it's getting harder to make ends meet,seriously. Good way of making some easy cash by the looks of it,and my friends and I are considering

starbelgrade · 09-06-2009 12:17AM

Andrea88 wrote: »

Maybe I have picked a bad time but........all here for prostitution and interested let me know,I'LL GO EASY ON YE'RE WALLETS :D:D
Alot of valid points on both ends but nowadays it's getting harder to make ends meet,seriously. Good way of making some easy cash by the looks of it,and my friends and I are considering

I would gladly get paid to have sex with someone, but being a straight bloke, there's not much of a market for me and I don't think the missus would be too happy with my job description!

Joking aside, I'm not arguing either way - I disagree with women or any person being trafficked as sex slaves, or forced to work in prostitution, but if there is consensual sex going on between 2 or whatever amount of adults at the same time, whether paid for or not, I don't see any harm in it.

Though, if tax was paid on services rendered, it might keep a few more cancer wards in our hospitals around the country open for a wee bit longer.

09-06-2009 09:46AM

starbelgrade wrote: »

Though, if tax was paid on services rendered, it might keep a few more cancer wards in our hospitals around the country open for a wee bit longer.

That could be said of a lot of industries, and better yet, that the government had actually collected the taxes from legitimate industries...

Greyfox · 22-06-2009 08:05PM

See todays Herald am poll?...almost 90% of people think Prostitution should be legalised, good to see 90% of people realise how silly it is making the oldest profession in the world illegal

turgon · 22-06-2009 11:31PM

Joey the lips wrote: »

An illegal operation will always operate along side the legal one. I am not wasteing my time proving it you will just have to trust me! It was covered on the last thread!

What, someone holding a neo-conservative view demanding you trust him without proof!! Now thats got to be new!

Joey the lips wrote: »

Exploitation - all the immegal women into the country end up in these illegal brothals and this does encourage traffiking

a) Legalisation will reduce this.
b) You dont have the authority to determine who is being exploited, and who is not. Sample conversation:
JtL "Hey there prostitute, what are you up to?"
Pros "Well I just engaged in sex for money with a man who fully wanted it, and I was fully consenting"
JtL "Omg, your being exploited"
Pros "But Joey, this is the way I want to live my life"
JtL "NO IT ISNT! I know better about your life than you do. Your being exploited and thats the end of it."

Joey the lips wrote: »

2. Most people contributing prob have girlfriends and have not the guts to express these opinions to them

I have a girlfriend, and I have talked to her about this.

Joey the lips wrote: »

So really I think thank god we are safe from Prostitution, Hash and the mail pill for a few years yet!

Yeah, let us all, with JtL at the helm, help keep everyone "safe." Heaven forbid people would make up their own minds about drugs and sex! Let us be thankful that JtL is here to protect us.

Joey the lips · 23-06-2009 07:08AM

turgon wrote: »

What, someone holding a neo-conservative view demanding you trust him without proof!! Now thats got to be new!

a) Legalisation will reduce this.
b) You dont have the authority to determine who is being exploited, and who is not. Sample conversation:
JtL "Hey there prostitute, what are you up to?"
Pros "Well I just engaged in sex for money with a man who fully wanted it, and I was fully consenting"
JtL "Omg, your being exploited"
Pros "But Joey, this is the way I want to live my life"
JtL "NO IT ISNT! I know better about your life than you do. Your being exploited and thats the end of it."

I have a girlfriend, and I have talked to her about this.

Yeah, let us all, with JtL at the helm, help keep everyone "safe." Heaven forbid people would make up their own minds about drugs and sex! Let us be thankful that JtL is here to protect us.

You have actually lost the plot you are now rehashing an old discussion which was a rehash of an even older older discussion. I can provide links, but as you contributed I dont think you need them

I tell you what you win we will legalise prostitution in the morning.... oh by the way delighted you have a girlfriend but her basis for agreement will change I am sure if she was involved in it.

23-06-2009 08:14AM

Joey the lips wrote: »

You have actually lost the plot you are now rehashing an old discussion which was a rehash of an even older older discussion. I can provide links, but as you contributed I dont think you need them

Interesting. I could have mentioned the same about your own argument, and "evidence"..

I tell you what you win we will legalise prostitution in the morning.... oh by the way delighted you have a girlfriend but her basis for agreement will change I am sure if she was involved in it.

Actually none of us know anything of his girlfriend so you don't really have a clue what you're talking about. Wow... Just like your stance on prostitution... :rolleyes:

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