A YES vote for Lisbon is a YES vote for ushering in the New World Order.

King Mob wrote: »

So why not vote again? If the people don't want it that's how they'll vote.
However the last vote was not indicative of the peoples will because the majority of No voters had no idea what they were voting for.

But you see, they like to bully us and use fear and panick factor into our vote. That is wrong.

The elites, to say notions as there will be grave consquences for Ireland voting No again.

This really is inappropriate and really does defeat the purpose of voting in the first place. They are hoping we will vote out of guilt.

I won't for sure. I'm a fan of respect and self dignity. I don't see this coming from Europe in any capactiy. This kind of behaviour does have a reason to be mentioned and pointed out in this current agenda.

It should be well noted, that this is what we are voting for. This kind of behaviour.

And funnily you have not raised a single valid point.
All you've raised is scaremongering and untruths.

Scaremongering, since your pointing fingers all the time, what kind of scaremongering are we talking about?

The elite wanting us to vote yes and only yes and if we dont there will be consquences, king mob you have a habit of selective thinking here.

But yea you're fightin' for democracy.

If you think democracy is real, then it's fantasy land your thinking of, we on earth had never democracy. Power and democracy just dont work with mankind.

What is happening here, is a false impreession of democracy. Give a man, country, superstate enough power it will turn into a one man power system.

We will see whos right in ten years time eh.;)

This is the direction of Europe, you might not see it yet though

Diogenes wrote: »

Yes using fear and panic to get us to vote is wrong. THAT IS VERY NAUGHTY.

Hey Mysterious wanna seem some of the "No" Campaigns posters?



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Yes preying on voters fears isn't right, so what do the above posters say about the "No" Campaign?

But these pictures represent a European superstate. Power, is the main point here. Power isn't balance, it isn't democracy. it's force. Right now It's what I call step by step force. Each treaty and each rule, is the direction of supreme control and power. This is the beginning of a super Europe. You don't see it yet, to bad.:P

These are extreme pictures I agree. The message here is trying to wake you up, the extreme image is merely there to get you to think, ofthe probable scenrios. History books can proves these pictures. The Nazis and the Bush Admin can represent these images. Rome bascally had this form of power too, it end up falling and taking over Europe. This is the sexual fantasy of leaders and it will ALWAYs be the case. To reach the top of the pyramid.

Think of Lisbon at the first step on the power pyramid. The NO campaigners are trying to give the image of what the idea of Europe reaching the top of the power pyramid. There is a logic to these extreme images. You could use the images of the devastation of Iraq, and post these up and say this is what the Bush Administration represent. The European elite can do the same if it has the same capacity of power and will too.

I'm not here creating fear or have swinging agenda. I'm just telling you that history will repeat, it's obvious you haven't learned this.

No one thought Cheney and Bush would rage two wars and create a false flag operation within their own country, and create a watch police state and overwrite the constution and had a Iraq war against the people they represent and the UN. Laws are changing at our watch. The president of America can basically take his country into any warzone they like even against the people. Who would of thought this 10 years ago. Who would of thought that their would be 1,000,000 deaths in Iraq. Who would of thought these people would of made 937 documented lies in public. Who would of thought that Bush had alliances with Osama. Who would of thought that the Bush Administration drum fear into their own people just get them into wars.

But you see the problem on this forum with some people here, is lack of a awarness of what supreme power does. This situation here with lisbon is the beginning. the natural process after lisbon, is another treaty and another set of laws and another set of rules and regulations. To the point our soverienety will be questioned. This is the direction. If you look at the last 10 years, it's very logical to say it's valid.

Do you think I'm playing fear, No I'm just knowledgeable to know the agenda, look at history, look at what is going on around me and what the likely scenerio will be.

And those who say if we vote "yes" we will lose all civil liberities, privacy, and the right to control our armies. And if the "No" sides posters are to be believed children will be barcoded and injected with chips, we will all be marked with the sign of the beast, and face nuclear armageddon.

But this will be the case. It's already happening. No one said here, from my knowledge it will do specifically that but if you agree to this agenda, it will happen in a few years. This is human nature. They are rulling people who want to control the planet. It has always been the way. Since they now have the technology to do so, they are more confident in apting to create this reality under our watch. We don't have privacy anymore. We will be taxed more and we will have less freedom if we keep voting yes to these treaties. Do you know who makes these treaties. People in power. Do you trust people in power?

Look at America, and how things have changed there, and it's not getting any better. Look how they used and twisted the constitution. Look at how they used fear and war on terrorism propaganda to play the havok they have created for the last 8 years?

Who would of thought 10 years ago, that they are now trying to rip the amendment of freedom of speech in America. That is what Obamas administration are trying to get rid of. They are starting with censoring the net. It's not just mobiles now. I mean do you not see what is going on currently.

But people like you will refuse to see the present is determining bad a bad future scenario. You might think voting for Lisbon is good or bad. But at the end of the day the Politicans will more power with Lisbon than they do currently now. It is why they are really pushing for it now.

While the No campaign seems to try to make us vote their way out baseless fears.

They are not baseless fears, they are very probable scenerios. The eltes use fear tactics and create fear. Governments use it as a control technique. Give Europe enough power and this will be the case. Logic will tell you this.

Sure look at the Bush administration, some democracy it is. no fear agenda there is there not? No unacceptable behaviour there is there not? It's power. And power to an elite, supergroup such as them or Europe. is opening more of these can of worms. Power supremecy eventually destructs.

I'm not saying it will for a fact happen. But if you look at history, it will clarify it has happened quite alot. Any superpower throughout history has basically aimed for supreme power or global domination. It of course ended up like a dictatorship. Reigning and wiping out million's. For this satacious desire for more power. Why because the power was given to them and they could do what they damned liked. This is what the power to the elite is in a few words. Your right that the Lisbon treaty is not this, but it is a step to this, thats the point I'm trying to make. Because power is not balance. And once the elite wants more power and control. Democracy is eventually non existant. This is the process and where it's going to head.

You give a man more power and you underrule. He will want more power. This is the agenda of Europe.

Just sign the treaty and let the ball roll again. History will start once again. I'm aware some others are too. But some will never be, thats why we have pretty gruesome history books;)

Any facts to support these assertions?

facts on what

Which kind of behaviour the fear mongering behaviour the No campaign also engages in? To what I'd agree is a far greater degree.

If you have read any paper's in the last few months, you will see all sorts of use of language determining this manipulation, force of words and impediment to the point that we are subject to be guilty if we vote no again. You have our own government who didn't read the treaty also telling you to vote yes, and if you don't vote yes, there will be consquences. what does this kind of attitude and behaviour tell you. It's they who want you to vote yes. Then why this behaviour?

This behaviour is disrespectful. Consquences? Are we children? Do we obey?

The leaders of Europe demanded a revote, and not a compromise not a salution and if we dont'there will be consquences.

I just pay attention and see this and not acceptable at all.

See photos above, oh and just about every baseless claim from RtdH made and exposed as a falsehood on this thread. Or did your 4th dimensional sight miss all that?

Power is power, and yes these can happen will likely happen. Just some people look to far ahead;) See your dig at the end, I think your right, 4th and Fifth dimensions is time and choices, so in a way your a step ahead.

K-9 wrote: »

I'm confused that you said you read it but now it appears you didn't, or else after TWO pages, gave up on it.

I did read it second time replying to this specifically explaining to you. I said I read it when it first came out. And I read the amendments on another forum a year ago. I can't find it now. It's been a year since I've read it. I did say i need to read it again.

I searched the net two days ago and 237page p.d.f came up and I read two pages, my eyes were peeling.

I want to get the leaflet showing the exact amendaments again.

King Mob wrote: »

Case and point.

And this is just the very latest example.
Pretty much all of your posts make some wild baselss accusation against Europe.

It's not an accusation. I perfectly pointed out, how all superpowers end up like. Europe will not be special in this case.
It's a fact and well noted in the history books that this is what happens when you give a country, politican or a new superstate such as Europe this power. If your really on the ball. You will also know. This is how human nature goes hand in hand with power.

Power corrupts. You keep yessing this and you keep allowing Europe to have greater control and power. It will have greater control and power. It it will use this control and power to further their control and power. It's an infection. I'm not saying Lisbon is all this, but the infection begins now.


The ideology of this, will turn into destruction. This is the cycle of how power works on this planet. It will forever go in this pattern until you all become aware and learn not to fall into this past cycle. I do agree that Europe is not at this stage yet. But it will come to this stage. It's ony natural for it to be. This is how we humans operate. We are people who want to rule and be lead. It will be percieved this way, as history has always always shown this.

It's simple simple basic pshycology of any man/system in power. History books will prove it time and time again. Today you have USA in this position and now China. I'm not making it out to be some sort of an accusation against Europe purely. This is how humanity works whether you like ir or dont know it.


Where is your proof of scaremongering pure and simple. i'm stating past events and facts of what political system do and become. Where is my scaremongering?

Really I love how people twist my words to counter their own ready made attacks.

K-9 wrote: »

Why specifically this one?

Can you answer with specifics?

Because with this treaty.

There are adamant they want it passed. To me in my opinion. This tells me that whatever happens after onced passed, is a continuation of the elite agenda to carry onto the next treaty or next goal.

The other reason why I specify this one is because
It's a revote

Another is because of the behaviour coming from the EU elite. I don't approve of it.

Another reason, because it's the beginning of what it is to come.

PS. It's a complicated legal document as you know yourself. There has to be something in there that will legally allow them to do all this stuff.

The EU are pressing ahead with plans to ban fluoridisation. Brilliant aren't they.

Can you post me a link on this I do find this quite interesting to say the least