A YES vote for Lisbon is a YES vote for ushering in the New World Order.

mysterious

6th wrote: »

Yes. You did. Try not to do it again.



No you didnt. If you want to rant or preach I suggest you get a blog. Any more ranting or off topic posts will result in a ban.

6th I was aware of it, I was talking purely about lisbon, but I did get off topic towards K-9 in a response. it was a mistake. I'm not perfect. I won't be continueing on this topic either.

it was no rant either. It's important people to express their views. I won't add to this thread any longer, if I feel bullied for just expressing certain assertions.

6th

6th wrote: »

Any more ranting or off topic posts will result in a ban.

mysterious wrote: »

6th I was aware of it, I was talking purely about lisbon, but I did get off topic towards K-9 in a response. it was a mistake. I'm not perfect. I won't be continueing on this topic either.

it was no rant either. It's important people to express their views. I won't add to this thread any longer, if I feel bullied for just expressing certain assertions.

Questioning mod warning in thread plus continuing off-topic posting despite warning. Banned for 1 month due to 1 x yellow card, 3 x red cards and 2 x 1 week bans.

Run_to_da_hills

Diogenes wrote: »

No you said



Theres nothing in the Lisbon treaty about putting microchips in our babies arms, or nuclear war, or barcoding your head. :

There may be nothing in the EU Constitution at present but whats stopping something being added in future. We must remember that our own Constitution will not hold a drop of water against any new rules and regulations that are sanctioned by a majority EU vode if we get bought out by Lisbon.

Diogenes wrote: »

Theres no difference. Well there is, the "Yes" campaign didn't suggest that if we didn't vote yes to the Lisbon treaty by suggesting we'd be nuked, our children would be microchipped and we'd have barcodes on our heads.

I personally do not believe babies will be the first to be chipped, It will be first offered on a "voluntary" basis to the elderly suffering from dementia, parole prisoners, sex offenders and those that are promiscuous with life threatening infectious diseases etc. From there it will creep into the rest of society as "something cool" till eventually becoming a manditory tool to preform commercial transactions.

King Mob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There may be nothing in the EU Constitution at present but whats stopping something being added in future.

Referendums.

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

We must remember that our own Constitution will not hold a drop of water against any new rules and regulations that are sanctioned by a majority EU vode if we get bought out by Lisbon.

And how exactly would Lisbon do this?
What part of Lisbon nullifies our Constitution?

Still not read it?

meglome

King Mob wrote: »

Referendums.

And how exactly would Lisbon do this?
What part of Lisbon nullifies our Constitution?

Still not read it?

Don't be silly King Mob. They just know it's gonna happen, who cares about evidence or any kind.

Hey 6th at what point after asking those pushing this CT for any evidence whatsoever can we just tell them to stfu talking rubbish?

6th

meglome wrote: »

Hey 6th at what point after asking those pushing this CT for any evidence whatsoever can we just tell them to stfu talking rubbish?

You dont. You learn to be content with knowing, and others seeing, that some people cant back up there claims. If you feel the need to rub someones nose in it then dont do it hear.

bonkey

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

We must remember that our own Constitution will not hold a drop of water against any new rules and regulations that are sanctioned by a majority EU vode if we get bought out by Lisbon.

Why must we remember a piece of fiction like that?

If our Constitution "will not hold a drop of water" should Lisbon be accepted, then it doesn't hold a drop of water now...because there is nothing in Lisbon which would change things to that effect.

If our Constitution doesn't hold a drop of water now...then one has to ask what the EU needs Lisbon for in the first place, and why its so important to get us to pass it.

The only way this argument could hold water is if you could show the detail in the Lisbon Treaty which is key to this undermining of the Irish Constitution that you suggest.

Of course, that would be the detail that people have been asking for who-can-remember-how-long, only to be met with handwaving, and the occasional comment that its not Lisbon which will do it, but rather some unknown future treaty that Lisbon will apparently put us on the slippery slope towards.

Run_to_da_hills

According to this article The European Union is stepping up efforts to build an enhanced pan-European system of security and surveillance which critics have described as “dangerously authoritarian”.

It is only a matter of time before we have a "walk through" with Lisbon 2 and all these new surveylance measures like the EU ID card register, Eborders, internet surveillance systems, satellite surveillance, automated exit-entry border systems operated by machines reading biometrics and risk profiling systems.

All this will fall on us like a ton of bricks.

Don't say that you have not been warned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/5496912/EU-security-proposals-are-dangerously-authoritarian.html

K-9

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

According to this article The European Union is stepping up efforts to build an enhanced pan-European system of security and surveillance which critics have described as “dangerously authoritarian”.

It is only a matter of time before we have a "walk through" with Lisbon 2 and all these new surveylance measures like the EU ID card register, Eborders, internet surveillance systems, satellite surveillance, automated exit-entry border systems operated by machines reading biometrics and risk profiling systems.

All this will fall on us like a ton of bricks.

Don't say that you have not been warned.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/5496912/EU-security-proposals-are-dangerously-authoritarian.html

Ach RTDH, it's the Telegraph! Do you have a fairly independent and unbiased source?

K-9

RTDH can you point out how this affects us as Ireland and the UK are exempt from many policing and border control issues in Lisbon.

The Lisbon Treaty, currently stalled after Ireland's referendum rejection last year, creates a secretive new Standing Committee for Internal Security, known as COSI, to co-ordinate policy between national forces and EU organisations such as Europol, the Frontex borders agency, the European Gendarmerie Force and the Brussels intelligence sharing Joint Situation Centre or Sitcen.

Unfortunately it wouldn't be very secure if it wasn't secretive. Do you have a problem with better integration of information between police forces and Interpol?

King Mob

K-9 wrote: »

RTDH can you point out how this affects us as Ireland and the UK are exempt from many policing and border control issues in Lisbon.

The Lisbon Treaty, currently stalled after Ireland's referendum rejection last year, creates a secretive new Standing Committee for Internal Security, known as COSI, to co-ordinate policy between national forces and EU organisations such as Europol, the Frontex borders agency, the European Gendarmerie Force and the Brussels intelligence sharing Joint Situation Centre or Sitcen.

Unfortunately it wouldn't be very secure if it wasn't secretive. Do you have a problem with better integration of information between police forces and Interpol?

Of course he can't, he hasn't actually read the Lisbon treaty.

Doesn't stop him from make claims like this though.

polishpaddy

Why would he read something, when it's clearly not possible to read it?

K-9

polishpaddy wrote: »

Why would he read something, when it's clearly not possible to read it?

Well it seems many No voters did.

polishpaddy

I mean the ministers all over europe can't read it and you think the no voters did? You know as well as i do, thats not true.

K-9

polishpaddy wrote: »

I mean the ministers all over europe can't read it and you think the no voters did? You know as well as i do, thats not true.

What do you mean?

Plenty of No voters did read it and can give their opinions on it.

Maybe your point is most No voters didn't read it as really they don't have the time, same as most politicians don't have the time to read every subsection of the Treaty?

Do you really expect Cowen to spend weeks reading the minutae of Lisbon for weeks, thus neglecting his responsibilities on other issues? He has highly paid, qualified EU law experts to do that for him.

King Mob

polishpaddy wrote: »

Why would he read something, when it's clearly not possible to read it?

Because it is readable?
And because there is several resources online that make it more accessible to laypeople?

But if he hasn't read it and claims to not be able to understand how can he possible make claims like that one about it?

blackgold>>

99.9 percent of people who said they've read the treaty - well lets just say they're not telling the truth.
Being an issue of time is an gross understatement.It's firstly not a treaty, it's 300 pages of amendments to 3000 other pages of treaties and you can only read it if you take one amendment by one and then look it up in the "existing" treaties.

King Mob

blackgold>> wrote: »

99.9 percent of people who said they've read the treaty - well lets just say they're not telling the truth.
Being an issue of time is an gross understatement.It's firstly not a treaty, it's 300 pages of amendments to 3000 other pages of treaties and you can only read it if you take one amendment by one and then look it up in the "existing" treaties.

That's how international treaties work.

It has to reconcile with the laws and constitutions of all the countries involved as well as all the previous European Treaties.
It's not a surprise it's a complicated document.

But there are several resources online line that make it acceptable.

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

Of course he can't, he hasn't actually read the Lisbon treaty.

Doesn't stop him from make claims like this though.

Sure our YES promoting Finna Fail politicians also never read it also. :rolleyes:

blackgold>>

That's how international treaties work.

It has to reconcile with the laws and constitutions of all the countries involved as well as all the previous European Treaties.
It's not a surprise it's a complicated document.

But there are several resources online line that make it acceptable.

Why would you have the need to explain to me how international treaties work? Am i missing something here?

K-9

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Sure our YES promoting Finna Fail politicians also never read it also. :rolleyes:

So you are comparing yourself to FF politicians!

That's me convinced!

What advisors did you use to help you?

King Mob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Sure our YES promoting Finna Fail politicians also never read it also. :rolleyes:

So now we've established in the time since the treaty has been proposed you have made no effort to read or try to understand it.
Way to fight for the truth against the NWO lies.

Since this is the case, how in the hell can you possibly make the claims you do about the Lisbon Treaty?

Or will you finally be honest and admit you're making them up?

Wreck

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

A YES vote for Lisbon is a YES vote for ushering in the New World Order

Ok so, I'm voting yes cause the current world order sucks. Seriously, how could it possibly be any worse.

bonkey

blackgold>> wrote: »

99.9 percent of people who said they've read the treaty - well lets just say they're not telling the truth.

That's dangerously close to suggesting that people here are lying.

King Mob wrote: »

Or will you finally be honest

This is a step too far.

Folks...discuss the topics without making jibes - direct or thinly veiled - at each other.

DubTony

Hills, you need shooting for dragging this load of sh!te out of the gutter again.;)

Run_to_da_hills

DubTony wrote: »

Hills, you need shooting for dragging this load of sh!te out of the gutter again.;)

Just like the Lisbon will be dragged out of the gutter again in the upcoming referendum :rolleyes:

samson09

Its looking like the Lisbon treaty will be pushed through this time. I hear poor oul Ganley is hanging up his political boxing gloves and as the previous leader of the No campaign, tis a bad sign. Everyone thinks that we need to vote yes to get the economy back on track too, people are scared that if we vote no again things will continue to deteriorate.

Anyway folks, relax. There's a lot of talk about chips and one world banks and new world orders and although they are a possibility such things will never happen. I'm not saying its crazy talk, but I cant see people accepting such things. The penny will drop when the bas***ds take it too far and the whole house of cards will implode on top of itself. They are treading on very thin ice at the moment, all it will take is one comex default and the fiat ponzi scheme will be laid bare for all to see. I see more and more people freaking out about this, take it easy folks. Just concentrate on getting out of debt and looking after you and your familys health.

And remember, humanity has yet to play the ace in her sleeve. I wont say what year the card will be played, but I'm sure most of you know anyway

d0gb0y

samson09 wrote: »

And remember, humanity has yet to play the ace in her sleeve. I wont say what year the card will be played, but I'm sure most of you know anyway

Humanity is a she:eek:

Whats this ace up the sleeve?

WakeUp

DubTony wrote: »

Hills, you need shooting for dragging this load of sh!te out of the gutter again.;)

With all due respect Tony that would be your opinion of which your entitled to. Me saying that to you is my opinion of which I am entitled to.

WakeUp

Wreck wrote: »

Ok so, I'm voting yes cause the current world order sucks. Seriously, how could it possibly be any worse.

Your entitled to vote whatever way you want is up to you but that comment is not contributing anything to the discussion, in my most humble of opinion.