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VW Golf MK6

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  • #122
    L-M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,536 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    E92 wrote: »
    I'm delighted to see that both air-conditioning and ESP are standard on every Golf sold here, even though it does make the new car rather expensive.

    Fair play to VW for being the first in the class to do this for Irish buyers.

    All we need now is for someone to set the standard to wheels.


  • #123
    crocro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 301 ✭✭crocro


    Deleted User wrote: »
    2500 more to buy. So if the TSI gets 48 on the combined and the TDI gets 57. That's say 10mpg more for the diesel, How many miles would you have to drive to make up the difference in the purchase price at 10 mpg? Depreciation aside?
    I didn't read your post properly the first time. I was comparing the 110hp TDI and the base 80hp petrol (not TSI). My aim is just to provide a safe fleet car at the cheapest running cost. The boss considers that a Golf is the lowest car with a 'business image' - otherwise I would choose an Toyota Aygo/Yaris or a Honda Jazz based on cost and reliability.

    The TDI 110HP does 62mpg combined. The 80HP does 44mpg. That's about 300 euro more in fuel for a 12,000 mile year. Tax is 198 euro more for the petrol than the diesel. So I am looking at 500 euro a year extra in costs for the petrol engine. The lease company tells me that the extra cost of the diesel over the petrol over 3 years (interest plus depreciation) is about 1500 quid. So the new 2.0 common rail diesel has the same cost of ownership as the old petrol yet it has more power and saves mony abvove 12,000 miles a year.

    The 1.6 diesel would probably be a better choice still but that's not out yet.
    Diesel is for drivers who drive big mileage
    says who? The old rule of thumb was you have to do 15,000 miles plus to justify trhe extra cost but then the VRT was massively reduced for diesels and the annual road tax was changed from a system where the larger diesel engines had previously been charge more to one where a 2.0 litre engine could be charged less than a 1.4. Finally, another 8c a litre was added to petrol prices. The economics of diesel engines have changed and a high mileage is no longer required to justify them.
    they are most economical when warmed up and they do take much longer to warm up than petrol.
    I have heard this but is it true? I have also heard that diesel engines use less fuel when cold than petrol engines.
    The dsg will eventually change peoples impression of automatics as being slow, thirsty and not fun to drive. Ford have powershift same really as dsg. Fiat to get it by 2010.
    The DSG is great to drive but none of them are band A. So it would cost more than the 2.0 diesel but use more fuel.

    When you're picking a car for yourself, the criteria are going to be different from when your picking a company car for your staff. It doesn't matter if a company car is no fun to drive.


  • #124
    VolvoMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭VolvoMan


    The type of people who drive VW Golf's are what you'd call 'depreciation enthusiasts'. They get a real buzz out of driving their underpowered 80bhp 1.4 litre Golf and then trading it in two years later, buying another one the exact same for a couple of grand more. They don't care that it will suffer from numerous electrical problems, as long as it has silicone damped dashboard plastic it must be superior to a Ford Focus or Opel Astra.:rolleyes:


  • #125
    L-M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,536 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    VolvoMan wrote: »
    The type of people who drive VW Golf's are what you'd call 'depreciation enthusiasts'. They get a real buzz out of driving their underpowered 80bhp 1.4 litre Golf and then trading it in two years later, buying another one the exact same for a couple of grand more. They don't care that it will suffer from numerous electrical problems, as long as it has silicone damped dashboard plastic it must be superior to a Ford Focus or Opel Astra.:rolleyes:

    I actually think that is the most pointless and stupid post i've read on boards. It really is


  • #126
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    Limerick-man wrote: »
    I actually think that is the most pointless and stupid post i've read on boards. It really is

    I disagree....I know a few people who fit the post behaviour perfectly. It's specific to Golf drivers


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  • #127
    L-M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,536 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    ninty9er wrote: »
    I disagree....I know a few people who fit the post behaviour perfectly. It's specific to Golf drivers

    Not what so ever. How many Irish people change on a 2/3 year basis for the exact same car and just waste money. I know lots of people who do.


  • #128
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    Limerick-man wrote: »
    How many Irish people change on a 2/3 year basis for the exact same car and just waste money.

    Lots, but VolvoMan was on about people who buy a Golf because it's a Golf and they've always had a Golf, and hell Golfs have always been as reliable as concrete, and I won't even bother to look at other cars.

    Most of the lots that buy the same car at least shop around.


  • #129
    L-M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,536 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    ninty9er wrote: »
    Lots, but VolvoMan was on about people who buy a Golf because it's a Golf and they've always had a Golf, and hell Golfs have always been as reliable as concrete, and I won't even bother to look at other cars.

    Most of the lots that buy the same car at least shop around.

    I know people who buy Saabs, because they are Saabs. People who have Opels because they are Opels, Skoda's because they are Skoda's, Merc's because they are Merc, Bmw's because they are Bmw's, Audi's because they are Audis... I could go on, but i hope you get my point.


  • #130
    maidhc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭maidhc


    Limerick-man wrote: »
    I know people who buy Saabs, because they are Saabs. People who have Opels because they are Opels, Skoda's because they are Skoda's, Merc's because they are Merc, Bmw's because they are Bmw's, Audi's because they are Audis... I could go on, but i hope you get my point.

    In fairness, VW drivers are caught in a kind of limbo.

    If they trade the Golf for a Focus or Astra they are going "downmarket"

    but they can't afford an Audi or BMW.

    Hence, another Golf :)


  • #131
    Theboinkmaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,161 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    VolvoMan wrote: »
    The type of people who drive VW Golf's are what you'd call 'depreciation enthusiasts'. They get a real buzz out of driving their underpowered 80bhp 1.4 litre Golf and then trading it in two years later, buying another one the exact same for a couple of grand more. They don't care that it will suffer from numerous electrical problems, as long as it has silicone damped dashboard plastic it must be superior to a Ford Focus or Opel Astra.:rolleyes:

    What a ridiculous stupid thing to post :confused:


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  • #132
    L-M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,536 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    Another thing to add. Father is on his third Passat. After his second, he said right, i'll have a look around. I went with him.

    We test drove the Peugeot 407 1.8 and it was as dead as a maggot, and the base spec was horrible. THe Mondeo was out dated, and had a 1.8 as well. He wanted a 1.6. After having 3 Vectra's he didn't want another, and the New Vectra at the time was horrible. The Mazda 6 i think was a 1.8 at the time as well, and just generallly wasn't nice looking.

    I'm working off memory here, it was late 05 when buying. So what did he go for, the Passat. Comfortline, nice spec, 1.6 engine etc. etc.


  • #133
    BostonB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,053 ✭✭✭✭BostonB


    VolvoMan wrote: »
    The type of people who drive VW Golf's are what you'd call 'depreciation enthusiasts'. They get a real buzz out of driving their underpowered 80bhp 1.4 litre Golf and then trading it in two years later, buying another one the exact same for a couple of grand more. They don't care that it will suffer from numerous electrical problems, as long as it has silicone damped dashboard plastic it must be superior to a Ford Focus or Opel Astra.:rolleyes:

    What about the GTI's, the TDI's, the V5's etc. Its a sweeping inaccurate generalisation about people who buy cars as transport and nothing else. Oddly enough those type of people also buy other brands, like Ford or Opel or any brand for that matter and do exactly the same thing. Its not limited to WV. Some people are just not that interested in cars, and just buy what they know, and are happy with.

    These new engines I assume are now in Skoda's and Seats.


  • #134
    NiSmO
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭NiSmO


    This post has been deleted.


  • #135
    ninty9er
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭ninty9er


    Limerick-man wrote: »
    Another thing to add. Father is on his third Passat. After his second, he said right, i'll have a look around. I went with him.

    We test drove the Peugeot 407 1.8 and it was as dead as a maggot, and the base spec was horrible. THe Mondeo was out dated, and had a 1.8 as well. He wanted a 1.6. After having 3 Vectra's he didn't want another, and the New Vectra at the time was horrible. The Mazda 6 i think was a 1.8 at the time as well, and just generallly wasn't nice looking.

    I'm working off memory here, it was late 05 when buying. So what did he go for, the Passat. Comfortline, nice spec, 1.6 engine etc. etc.
    I said Golfs not VWs. My uncle is unlikely to replace his 02 Passat with another one given the trouble he's had with it, but will probably drive the new one anyway.

    BostonB wrote: »
    What about the GTI's, the TDI's, the V5's etc.
    The sweepeing generalisation was laid at the 1.4 80bhp drivers
    NiSmO wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    I'd hang on to it too, did you post pics with the new bumper??


  • #136
    VolvoMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭VolvoMan


    NiSmO wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Well your parents bought your's for you didn't they?:rolleyes:


  • #137
    VolvoMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭VolvoMan


    Limerick-man wrote: »
    I know people who buy Saabs, because they are Saabs. People who have Opels because they are Opels, Skoda's because they are Skoda's, Merc's because they are Merc, Bmw's because they are Bmw's, Audi's because they are Audis... I could go on, but i hope you get my point.

    People buy SAAB's because they generally want understatement, not because it's a household name like Volkswagen. People probably buy Opel's for no other reason than they probably like the car, people buy Skoda's becuase they are better cars than VW's for a good deal less money. A lot of people buy Merc's for the same reasons as those who buy VW's and same goes for Audi and BMW.

    Have I clarified every brand clientele for you now?
    BostonB wrote: »
    What about the GTI's, the TDI's, the V5's etc. Its a sweeping inaccurate generalisation about people who buy cars as transport and nothing else. Oddly enough those type of people also buy other brands, like Ford or Opel or any brand for that matter and do exactly the same thing. Its not limited to WV. Some people are just not that interested in cars, and just buy what they know, and are happy with.

    These new engines I assume are now in Skoda's and Seats.

    They are merely exceptions my friend. I have absolutely no problem with people buying any of the above, it's just the one's who spend 20 grand on a Golf 1.4 with no aircon, thinking they are getting a better car.


  • #138
    PaulKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,263 ✭✭✭PaulKK


    Deleted User wrote: »
    PaullKK the vast majority of the motoring public do not drive a Golf.

    I never said the vast majority of the motoring public drive a golf, I said they do not think it is ugly. YOU think it is ugly. I know many people that would love to have a new golf if it was in their price bracket.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    And why do you try insult me by saying my name suits me? do you speak like that to other fourm members? Did it make you feel better?

    Hey, no need to get insulted so easily, there was a kind of angry tone to your posts so I just pointed that out, no need to get so touchy, I wasn't insulting you!

    If you can't handle me disagreeing with your posts thats your problem, I simply placed reasonable arguments against some of the points you made.

    My point is, if people want a car with a more percieved "upmarket" look and feel to it, and are willing to pay extra for it, then let them, the same can be said of the A3 etc, or any Audi, why not buy a skoda instead?


  • #139
    BoardsRanger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭BoardsRanger


    Went up to Belgard today to get prices on the MVI golf and trade in my 07 golf. I was met with a negative look, a pause and then he said “you will be waiting 4/5 months for one of those”. Great first impression! So I got him to give me a price anyway- he offered me €11,000 for my car. Whilst he was out looking at my car, I heard a salesman’s pitch to a lady that a particular car would be good to go for because it was red, and red is the safest colour! Ha
    So I went outside to my car and low and behold, it had been washed! Perhaps somebody washed the wrong car, either way, was a bonus for me!
    So I then went to Sinnotts in Wicklow. They offered me €16,000 for my car. I just thought €5000 was a huge price differential between 2 VW dealers. I read a post in this thread about someone having a similar experience. Has anyone else experienced such disparity amongst dealerships of the same brand?


  • #140
    L-M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,536 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    Jesus i would bite the hand off the fella with €16,000 if you are trading. 08 base demo models could be for for near that. Although €11,000 is very low, €16,000 is very reasonable.


  • #141
    ArthurGuinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭ArthurGuinness


    BoardsRanger wrote: »
    Went up to Belgard today to get prices on the MVI golf and trade in my 07 golf. I was met with a negative look, a pause and then he said “you will be waiting 4/5 months for one of those”. Great first impression! So I got him to give me a price anyway- he offered me €11,000 for my car. Whilst he was out looking at my car, I heard a salesman’s pitch to a lady that a particular car would be good to go for because it was red, and red is the safest colour! Ha
    So I went outside to my car and low and behold, it had been washed! Perhaps somebody washed the wrong car, either way, was a bonus for me!
    So I then went to Sinnotts in Wicklow. They offered me €16,000 for my car. I just thought €5000 was a huge price differential between 2 VW dealers. I read a post in this thread about someone having a similar experience. Has anyone else experienced such disparity amongst dealerships of the same brand?

    I have had a similar expieience. In 06 I bought a brand new comfortline golf van the I was buying straight and the best deal O'Learys VW in Wexford could give me was E24500 (and that was their BOTTOM line) I bought the car in Sheehy Motors Carlow for E21250 I was waiting a few months for it though. Best bit is when I traded it in for another make of car I got 24000 for it in a trade in.


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  • #142
    BoardsRanger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭BoardsRanger


    Limerick-man wrote: »
    Jesus i would bite the hand off the fella with €16,000 if you are trading. 08 base demo models could be for for near that. Although €11,000 is very low, €16,000 is very reasonable.

    Yeah, i was happy with €16,000 in todays market! It might have been the free wash at belgard that made the car look €5000 better! Either way, think Sinnotts will be the one i go for!


  • #143
    BoardsRanger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭BoardsRanger


    ArthurGuinness wrote: »
    I have had a similar expieience. In 06 I bought a brand new comfortline golf van the I was buying straight and the best deal O'Learys VW in Wexford could give me was E24500 (and that was their BOTTOM line) I bought the car in Sheehy Motors Carlow for E21250 I was waiting a few months for though

    €3000 is a fair difference on a new car alright! I certainly wouldnt mind the wait if it saved me that amount of money. Just shows, it pays to shop around!


  • #144
    ArthurGuinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭ArthurGuinness


    BoardsRanger wrote: »
    €3000 is a fair difference on a new car alright! I certainly wouldnt mind the wait if it saved me that amount of money. Just shows, it pays to shop around!

    And to make it even better I had sold my previous car privately and had no car, so they lent me a car for the whole length of time that I was waiting. It was a 00 fiesta but it got me around:D


  • #145
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,361 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    VolvoMan wrote: »
    Well your parents bought your's for you didn't they?:rolleyes:

    and what has that got to do with anything?


  • #146
    Bluetonic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭Bluetonic


    BoardsRanger wrote: »
    Went to get prices on the MVI golf and trade in my 07 golf. Sinnotts in Wicklow offered me €16,000 for my car.
    As a matter of interest which flavour of 07 Golf?


  • #147
    BoardsRanger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭BoardsRanger


    Bluetonic wrote: »
    As a matter of interest which flavour of 07 Golf?

    First of all, can you edit the quote- you make it seem as if belgard offered me €16,000 and in fact it was sinnotts who offered 16. the golf is a 1.4 petrol sportsline.


  • #148
    MarkN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,530 ✭✭✭MarkN


    Belgard are idiots and have absolutely no concept of customer service. I'd put them on a par with the worst BMW dealer you can imagine or Fosters in Sandyford.

    Same thing happened to me when I bought the S3 in 2007. Same car in Newmarket Motors - got 5k more for a 6 month old GTI than Belgard offered - I only went to Belgard to see if I could play them off Grange but I couldn't in the end as Grange were far more generous than them also.

    Always heard good things about Sinnotts.


  • #149
    tdc
    Closed Accounts Posts: 888 ✭✭✭tdc


    Cyrus wrote: »
    and what has that got to do with anything?

    +1 absolutely nothing, he's just a begrudging idiot


  • #150
    junkyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,575 ✭✭✭junkyard


    The last good Golf was the mark 2, VW haven't made a quality car since as far as I'm concerned and this one is no exception either.


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  • #151
    AugustusMaximus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭AugustusMaximus


    What have VW done.

    The mark 5 is a far better looking car than the mark 6.

    The circular rear lights made the mark 5 look sporty. The back now looks bloated and like a van.


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