VW Golf MK6

Do-more

Saw a transporter full of the New Golfs this morning, they were unloading some at Mullingar Autos, all seemed to be TSI's not bad looking at a glance.

I'm thinking of importing an '08 1.9TDi like this one @ £9,765 (just over €12,000) + VRT at €3317 allowing another €500 for flights & ferry it seems like great value at under €16,000 all in. Anyone got an opinion on how 2nd. values (here and in the UK) will be impacted with the introduction of the new model? Would I be much better off waiting for a few months, say until February? I doubt that the VRT will drop that much by then, but will the UK price drop by much before Feb.?

napapa

Was in Berlin last week,stopped by a VW dealership to check out new golf (21,500e for 2.0 TDI comfortline)...very nice.Looking forward to seeing what the Irish dealers have to offer on Thursday.

PattheMetaller

Had a look at the MkVI today in my local dealership. Lovely car,well put together interior - looks classy. Comes in trendline, comfortline and highline with no sportsline. reasonabley priced too for the 2.0Tdi 110bhp.

Only problem would be the trade in price on my '06 1.9Tdi Passat Comfortline. They valued it last year at €24000; now its €13000:eek:.

Pg 34 of the brochure states that the 2 yr warrenty "...is subject to the car being serviced and maintained at an authorised Volkswagen dealer....Failure to do so will invalidate this warrently". Surely it can be serviced anywhere with genuine VW parts?

bazz26

PattheMetaller wrote: »

Had a look at the MkVI today in my local dealership. Lovely car,well put together interior - looks classy. Comes in trendline, comfortline and highline with no sportsline. reasonabley priced too for the 2.0Tdi 110bhp.

Only problem would be the trade in price on my '06 1.9Tdi Passat Comfortline. They valued it last year at €24000; now its €13000:eek:.

They were indirectly telling you they didn't want your Passat. Garages don't want trade-ins at present as they are jammed full of them already.

BostonB

I think thats EU law but I might be wrong

L-M

bazz26 wrote: »

They were indirectly telling you they didn't want your Passat. Garages don't want trade-ins at present as they are jammed full of them already.

I know it's a farily low price, but they probably have a few, and coupled wit the fact they can be got very cheap from England etc. I'm sure you know all this, it's hard times to be pricing cars. For all we know, things could get worse.

JoeA3

I saw one in my local dealers today too. Left-hand-drive! I can only assume that RHD models are not yet available.

I'd echo that the interior seems a step up in the quality stakes. Overall, it's a safe facelift though and not a whole new MK in my eyes.

I didn't bother hanging around to speak to one of their sales guys - or more to the point, all 4 of them were too busy having a laugh in one of the offices to notice me standing there! And they say car sales men are having it tough :pac:

Bobo78

Yesterday i was in my local dealership in Limerick and saw the new Golf and it was the left hand drive as well. The salesman was more then kind and gave me the brochure and exact price for the model i wanted.
As well he said to me that they only got this model for the 3 days.
Anyway the car seemed very good and the quality of the interior felt very good.
And they will have 2 new turbo diesel engines that produce 110 bhp and 140 bhp with low emissions. And these new TDi engines will be common rail engines.

P.C.

napapa wrote: »

can you name a diesel model in a similar price range that in your opinion is better

Biro wrote: »

From the same umbrella mechanically wise, Skoda Octavia and Seat Leon. From other umbrella's - Ford Focus, Mazda 3. Depending on what the range is in the price then throw in the Civic diesel too.

I don't like Ford's at all, but I will admit that the Focus is a very good car, and might even be better than the Golf. The Mazda 3 is another good car - Mazda have come a long way in the last few years.

E92

P.C. wrote: »

The Mazda 3 is another good car - Mazda have come a long way in the last few years.

+1.

Mazda can do no wrong in my mind(once you stick with petrol and avoid the very unreliable 2.0 diesel); Ford chassis(generally), meaning a great drive, but Japanese build quality and reliability.

Why anyone would choose a Toyota over a Mazda is beyond me really; I know both are reliable but Mazdas are so much better and all because of the Ford underpinnings.

bazz26

E92 wrote: »

+1.

Mazda can do no wrong in my mind(once you stick with petrol and avoid the very unreliable 2.0 diesel); Ford chassis(generally), meaning a great drive, but Japanese build quality and reliability.

Why anyone would choose a Toyota over a Mazda is beyond me really; I know both are reliable but Mazdas are so much better and all because of the Ford underpinnings.

Mazda have a limited model range and smaller dealer network compared to Toyota. Their early years under Ford stewartship also was not great. Rebadging Fiestas was not a wise stratedgy.

Mazda's marketing has also been low key also at least in Ireland.

lafors

Limerick-man wrote: »

I know it's a farily low price, but they probably have a few, and coupled wit the fact they can be got very cheap from England etc. I'm sure you know all this, it's hard times to be pricing cars. For all we know, things could get worse.

I liked Clarkson's quote on top gear the other week, went something along the lines of...
"we've all been playing musical chairs since 1990, the music's stopped, so whatever car/house you have now will be the same one for the rest of your life"
Thought it was very appropiate

So the 2.0tdi puts out 110 and 140bhp?
That not very poor for a 2.0 turbo diesel??

Do-more

JoeA3 wrote: »

I saw one in my local dealers today too. Left-hand-drive! I can only assume that RHD models are not yet available.

Was in for a look yesterday as well, the salesman said they are Dutch market cars that they just have for the 3 day event, they will be shipped out again next week. Said it was comfortline spec + a load of extras such as alloys, tinted rear glass, sat nav climate control etc.

Enquired about a 2.0 Tdi comfortline and he said that they might have them for February but it would probably be later. It was coming to €26800 with metallic paint, list, or about €25,300 for a straight cash deal.

coylemj

Saw the MK VI in Fosters Motors yesterday, it was a LHD model which the sales guy said they had shipped in from Germany for the promo running from Thu to Sat.

Speaking of which, nobody seems to have told Grange Motors in Deansgrange (owned by MDL), seems they didn't see any reason to open on Saturday afternoon and there was no mention of the 'Open day' on the (locked) front door.

coolbeans

E92 wrote: »

+1.

Mazda can do no wrong in my mind(once you stick with petrol and avoid the very unreliable 2.0 diesel); Ford chassis(generally), meaning a great drive, but Japanese build quality and reliability.

Why anyone would choose a Toyota over a Mazda is beyond me really; I know both are reliable but Mazdas are so much better and all because of the Ford underpinnings.

Where do you get your info? I know of several diesel 6s with up to 180k miles on the clock that are still going strong. My mother has one in fact. The truth is that it's a very reliable engine that had some major problems in the early days that didn't even affect all early engines.

Sorry for going off topic there. I think the Golf would be worth a punt. Wouldn't be my cup of tea though although it'll probably look well if you get the right size wheels. Are they carrying the venerable 1.9 through? A capable if old engine.

coolbeans

coolbeans wrote: »

Where do you get your info? I know of several diesel 6s with up to 180k miles on the clock that are still going strong. My mother has one in fact. The truth is that it's a very reliable engine that had some major problems in the early days that didn't even affect all early engines.

Sorry for going off topic there. I think the Golf would be worth a punt. Wouldn't be my cup of tea though although it'll probably look well if you get the right size wheels. Are they carrying the venerable 1.9 through? A capable if old engine.

Oh ya and the 6 does not have a Ford chassis. Common misconception.

Biro

coolbeans wrote: »

Where do you get your info? I know of several diesel 6s with up to 180k miles on the clock that are still going strong. My mother has one in fact. The truth is that it's a very reliable engine that had some major problems in the early days that didn't even affect all early engines.

Sorry for going off topic there. I think the Golf would be worth a punt. Wouldn't be my cup of tea though although it'll probably look well if you get the right size wheels. Are they carrying the venerable 1.9 through? A capable if old engine.

Someone on here had two of them go belly up on him. Apparently if they were neglected or skimped on in early life regarding oil etc, they can give problems, and lots of them. However if looked after they seem very reliable. I think too much scare mongering is going on here regarding these engines.
And the 6 does have a chassis that was shared with the Mondeo, (old model in each case), but Mazda have different suspension than the Ford.

DJ Hafez

Went down for a sconce in Lissarda today. Sales guy didn't have too much info on it as he said it was a bit rushed. The one they had was the trendline 2.0 TDI. Pretty nice for a base model but the steering wheel is absolutely tiny. He didnt have any info on how much alloys, metallica paint etc etc would cost so was a bit dissapointed. They won't be in Ireland until the last week in December supposidly as the RHD models are only starting to be made this week.

1.4 Trendline 5DR 80BHP is 22010
1.4 TSI Trendline 122BHP 5DR is 24770

1.4 Comfortline 80BHP is 23775
1.4 TSI Comfortline 122BHP is 25330

I'm sure there is a bit of bargaining to be done there. Very impressed with the interior quality though and the attention to detail for a base model.

pburns

E92 wrote: »

+1.
Mazda can do no wrong in my mind(once you stick with petrol and avoid the very unreliable 2.0 diesel); Ford chassis(generally), meaning a great drive, but Japanese build quality and reliability.

Why anyone would choose a Toyota over a Mazda is beyond me really; I know both are reliable but Mazdas are so much better and all because of the Ford underpinnings.

Well I'm a big Mazda fan and can vouch for brilliant handling on both 3 and 6. All are great looking cars with the exception of the soon-to-be-replaced 3 hatch.

bazz26 wrote: »

Mazda have a limited model range and smaller dealer network compared to Toyota. Their early years under Ford stewartship also was not great. Rebadging Fiestas was not a wise stratedgy.

Mazda's marketing has also been low key also at least in Ireland.

Having said that, they are doing a piss-poor job on the Irish market. AFAIK there are no plans to sell the diesel in Sport spec in the immediate future. There is a 180bhp 2.2 diesel coming that might tempt me out of my Legacy but not in boggo spec. I thought things would improve when Mazda took over distribution but no...

Also don't like Sports grill & bumper - a bit fussy and bling. The pre-production models on 18" wheels were gorgeous.

Anyway...the Golf VI. Saw one today through dealer window. Looks good at the front but rear C-pillar losing a bit of the classic Golf look somehow and seems taller(?)

Got a glimse of Scirroco as well. Nicer in the flesh than expected, but will probably be bought by **** and hairdressers...

ArthurGuinness

The rear lights looks very similar to the ones that were on the old Touareg

bazz26

DJ Hafez wrote: »

1.4 Trendline 5DR 80BHP is 22010
1.4 TSI Trendline 122BHP 5DR is 24770

1.4 Comfortline 80BHP is 23775
1.4 TSI Comfortline 122BHP is 25330

I'm sure there is a bit of bargaining to be done there. Very impressed with the interior quality though and the attention to detail for a base model.

I cannot believe VW are going to sell that pathetic 80bhp 1.4 petrol engine in the MkVI, it must be as old as the 1.9 TDi at this stage.

DJ Hafez

bazz26 wrote: »

I cannot believe VW are going to sell that pathetic 80bhp 1.4 petrol engine in the MkVI, it must be as old as the 1.9 TDi at this stage.

It's a new one that started being manufacured last year supposidly. M5F engine....

L-M

Here's what Hogan's got in


Can't say i'm not hugely impressed, although those hubcaps are a fairly big let down. Would like to see one with a different set of alloys etc. There's just something about it i don't like, i must go in some day when they're open for a closer look.

E92

pburns wrote: »

Having said that, they are doing a piss-poor job on the Irish market. AFAIK there are no plans to sell the diesel in Sport spec in the immediate future. There is a 180bhp 2.2 diesel coming that might tempt me out of my Legacy but not in boggo spec. I thought things would improve when Mazda took over distribution but no...

They must be doing something right, because their market share has dramatically improved since Mazda took over the reigns.

They had 1.88% of the market in 2006. 2006 was the year that the changeover took place. As of October this year they have 2.92% of the market. So that's 55.3% increase in market penetration in less than 2 years. Even at the end of 07 they had only gotten up to 2.24%.

So I'd say Mazda Ireland will be fairly pleased with themselves.

But I also know what you're saying.

They could do a whole lot better too. If they put any effort at all into advertising they could get up towards 3.5-4% without too much difficulty IMO.

If they offered models that people want, like higher spec diesel 6s(now that Irish people actually like cars to have more equipment these days) they would do so much better. The Exec SE trim is too basic for a top of the range model in the diesel 6. They're still not seen as desirable in the way Toyotas are by the plebs on the street either, so they depreciate a lot more.

The new 2.2 diesel will be available in 120, 163 and 185 bhp guises.

Obviously we can expect a lower starting price for the new engine, since it starts at 120 bhp rather than the 140 bhp model presently available. That should help them sell more 6s next year, especially in these more difficult economic times.

It will be here "next spring" if the Sunday Business Post is to be believed.

It will be in VRT band C for all power outputs, so needless to say I think everyone should go straight to the top and go for the 185 bhp version:D. No good reason not to now that we do things on CO2.

For people like me who like a proper fuel like petrol as their source of propulsion, they will have a direct injection 150 bhp 2.0 with auto start stop next year and it will be 30% better on CO2 than the current 2.0 apparently:).

E92

DJ Hafez wrote: »

It's a new one that started being manufacured last year supposidly. M5F engine....

It's the same 1.4 as the one we found in the Mk4 Golf, possibly even the Mk3(that 1.4 is so old I can't remember).

I hope they've improved the reliability of this engine, considering that it was hardly the most durable motor in the Mk4 Golf(I wouldn't mind but asking a 1.4 to produce a measly 75 bhp is very little when makes like Toyota managed 97 bhp from a 1.4 as recently as 2000, especially when that 97 bhp 1.4 is typically Toyota like reliable).

The starting price for the new Golf seems quite high; I'm expecting that things like air con and ESP are standard throughout the range at that price(the new Renault Mégane looks like much better value; a more powerful €104 a year to tax diesel(than the Golf's 1.4) and aircon as standard are yours for €20,400).

DJ Hafez

E92 wrote: »

The starting price for the new Golf seems quite high; I'm expecting that things like air con and ESP are standard throughout the range at that price(the new Renault Mégane looks like much better value; a more powerful €104 a year to tax diesel(than the Golf's 1.4) and aircon as standard are yours for €20,400).

Meganne will plummet in value though. Golf still holds that to its name. Aircon is standard alright, as are heated mirrors and MP3 connectivity.

Went to see the new meganne today in douglas renault but there werent too many sales people there so we just left.

FGR

Will the new Golf have the classic blue lights on the dash? That was one of the reasons why I loved my MK5 from day one.

L-M

ForegoneReality wrote: »

Will the new Golf have the classic blue lights on the interior? That was one of the reasons why I loved my MK5 from day one.

I'd assume/hope so? Oh god if it doesn't, such a pity.

DJ Hafez

Limerick-man wrote: »

I'd assume/hope so? Oh god if it doesn't, such a pity.

Ones I saw were white. But that was only the little screen showing u what door was open

FGR

White..? That won't be too bad if there's another colour to compliment the dials..like the red compliments on the Audi Dash.

If not..I suppose I'll have to introduce myself to the new model Octavia at a much lower price .