Nazi Stall in Balbriggan Market

pickarooney · 04-08-2008 9:20am

RuggieBear wrote: »

godwin's law tbh

I'm not sure that law actually applies to threads about nazis.

mike65 · 04-08-2008 10:06am

krd wrote: »

I really can't see why anyone has a problem with the symbol of the Swastika.

I have one tatooted on my forhead.. And it has nothing to do with the "Nazis"

It's a celebration of Charles Manson and his family.

And to tell you the truth,, I've never heard anyone complain to me about it.

I presume they are all dead! :pac:

Mike.

Run_to_da_hills · 04-08-2008 11:03am

Why should there be so much fuss about the swastika? This symbol goes back to ancient Egyptian times, long before Hitler and his Nazi party, It was also used by a laundry company in Dublin since 1912 and operated right into the early 1970ies.

http://cedarlounge.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/image_large-1.jpeg

The tricolour was hijacked by the provisional IRA for over two decades, should it have been banned back then?

kowloon · 04-08-2008 11:27am

pickarooney wrote: »

I'm not sure that law actually applies to threads about nazis.

Lols were had by all trying to circumvent Godwins law at Nuremberg

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I remember visiting an excavation site in Tunisia where they had to hide a Roman "swastika" mosaic to stop people seeing it for fear it would be defaced.

meathstevie · 04-08-2008 1:44pm

As long as other material supporting or glorifying dictatorship and totalitarianism is tolerated we shouldn't be shouting to loudly about this man selling crap associated with the little one testicled Austrian Corporal. By the way I'm talking about CCCP logo T-shirts, Che Guevarra's mug on just about anything, restaurants named after Mao etc... . Imagine I opened the Heinrich Himmler tearoom tomorrow, some success that would be.

PrivateEye · 04-08-2008 2:12pm

http://www.sledgehammertotheface.com/tag/t-shirt/

"What the f!cking hell is that..."

Notice the white circle/red background.

Mena · 04-08-2008 3:36pm

meathstevie wrote: »

Imagine I opened the Heinrich Himmler tearoom tomorrow, some success that would be.

So long as you serve a nice Earl Grey I'll be there.

Kold · 04-08-2008 4:24pm

The Burning Lower Case Tea House?

blacktruck · 29-11-2008 10:15pm

hmmmmm,funny that,i see lots of people wearing clothes with che guevara,red communist stars and the communist hammer and sickle on them,how many people have been murdered under communist dictatorship?****ING MILLIONS! thats how much.i wonder will ruairi quinn lead an investigation into the stores that sell clothes with commie logos on them,twat.

wes · 29-11-2008 10:58pm

This kind of stuff is pretty messed up. Sure the guy has every right to sell it, but its messed up. I have seen around my area recently some graffiti glorifying this kind of crap, just down the road from me, some idiot spray painted a swastika and the word sieghel. Worrying to know that there are fascists leaving near me. People selling this kind of stuff, should know better than to encourage this kind of crap.

Also, I agree the Che and the communist stuff is messed up as well.

MooseJam · 29-11-2008 11:37pm

well I say fair play to the man, he is out earning a living for himself

griffdaddy · 30-11-2008 2:18am

Domo230 wrote: »

Im gonna head up north, pick up some of Ulster volunteer force memorabilia and display them alongside the union jack ill hang outside my house.

If I did this im sure people would call for me to stop even though far fewer died as a result of the UVF than the nazis because it happened on this island. The holocaust didnt so many really dont give a damn about it.

Sure didnt we let more war criminals into the country than we did jewish refugees.

I'd say people would tell you to stop before some dirtbag fúcks a brick through your window more than anything mate.

todolist · 30-11-2008 2:24am

We have Viking spalsh tours in Dublin.the Vikings were murdering psycho bastards yet we now celebrate them.think the Nazis will eventually be cool like the Vikings?

Kold · 30-11-2008 3:18am

wes wrote: »

Also, I agree the Che and the communist stuff is messed up as well.

What's messed up about admiring Ché Guevara?

kowloon · 30-11-2008 6:24am

Kold wrote: »

What's messed up about admiring Ché Guevara?

Most of the folks wearing the shirts have no idea who he is anyway, so I don't think they're admiring him as much as the design of the shirt.

Is this fellow still selling at Balbriggan? This is an old post.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 30-11-2008 10:10am

meathstevie wrote: »

Imagine I opened the Heinrich Himmler tearoom tomorrow, some success that would be.

Would you be cooking on GAS or electricity?.

:P

Lockstep · 30-11-2008 10:47am

Mairt wrote: »

, but I'd care more about the attitude of the **** who'd feel the need to buy it.

QFT

luckat · 30-11-2008 11:43am

I haven't read the whole thread, so I apologise in advance if someone else has made this point -

People who buy American flag regalia or Che Guevara T-shirts or Russian Army hats or the like generally aren't buying into the politics in any meaningful way. They're buying something vaguely cool and decorative.

But buying Nazi symbols is different. They're symbolic of a cult that existed purely for the murder of a specific ethnic group. Buying them is like buying into ethnic cleansing, all ethnic cleansing.

It's nothing, really, to do with the behaviour of the state of Israel, or whether Stalin or Mao or Hitler or the Armenians were more effective killing machines.

It's to do with that absolute, stark symbol: the swastika and all around it means "I will wipe your people from the earth".

Don't buy them, don't display them, don't go near them, please.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 30-11-2008 12:14pm

Well put ^

Very well put indeed.

figs86 · 30-11-2008 1:12pm

turgon wrote: »

Im not a racist, but

read the whole thread just to see if anyone else would flag this!

it made me smile

(and im sure i say it/have said it myself)

Kold · 30-11-2008 1:18pm

I thought the Armenians were the victims of genocide.. I think they'd lose that competition.

wes · 30-11-2008 1:57pm

Kold wrote: »

What's messed up about admiring Ché Guevara?

The guy killed a whole bunch of innocent people. Sure, he killed far less than most, but still kill them.

ArmaniJeanss · 30-11-2008 2:24pm

luckat wrote: »

I haven't read the whole thread, so I apologise in advance if someone else has made this point -

People who buy American flag regalia or Che Guevara T-shirts or Russian Army hats or the like generally aren't buying into the politics in any meaningful way. They're buying something vaguely cool and decorative.

But buying Nazi symbols is different. They're symbolic of a cult that existed purely for the murder of a specific ethnic group. Buying them is like buying into ethnic cleansing, all ethnic cleansing.

It's nothing, really, to do with the behaviour of the state of Israel, or whether Stalin or Mao or Hitler or the Armenians were more effective killing machines.

It's to do with that absolute, stark symbol: the swastika and all around it means "I will wipe your people from the earth".

Don't buy them, don't display them, don't go near them, please.

+1. Great post.

griffdaddy · 30-11-2008 2:32pm

luckat wrote: »

I haven't read the whole thread, so I apologise in advance if someone else has made this point -

People who buy American flag regalia or Che Guevara T-shirts or Russian Army hats or the like generally aren't buying into the politics in any meaningful way. They're buying something vaguely cool and decorative.

But buying Nazi symbols is different. They're symbolic of a cult that existed purely for the murder of a specific ethnic group. Buying them is like buying into ethnic cleansing, all ethnic cleansing.

It's nothing, really, to do with the behaviour of the state of Israel, or whether Stalin or Mao or Hitler or the Armenians were more effective killing machines.

It's to do with that absolute, stark symbol: the swastika and all around it means "I will wipe your people from the earth".

Don't buy them, don't display them, don't go near them, please.

Some good points, but it gets up my nose when people use terms like 'buying into' in a vague way. Buying this shít says more about the person buying it than the actual Nazi movement itself, and it's not like their financially supporting the Nazi party or anything. People know what happened during WW2, and they know how utterly reprehensible what these scumbags did is. If someone wants to buy this shít let them, the bottom feeders and weirdos who are interested in it will serve as a great example of exactly why it's tasteless, and if anything, serve as a reminder of what happened.

dotsman · 30-11-2008 3:18pm

luckat wrote: »

But buying Nazi symbols is different. They're symbolic of a cult that existed purely for the murder of a specific ethnic group. Buying them is like buying into ethnic cleansing, all ethnic cleansing.

Not saying I'm in favour of anyone wearing them etc, but just to correct your post.

Firstly, Nazis were not a "cult that existed purely for the murder of a specific ethnic group". They existed for many purposes, but their primary selling point to the people of Germany, and what they stood most for was the superiority of the German race and the Germany for Germans (not unlike many AH Posters current attitudes with regard to the current level immigrants here). The 25-point plan pretty much sums up the actual definition of the Nazi party.

The nazi party was not set up to exterminate the Jewish race. From the start, if did not hide its contempt for them, but their primary policy was to get them (and all other immigrants) to leave Germany. It is only through the superiority complex of having conquered Europe, the lack of fear of reprisal (as they were now top of the food chain), the increasing madness of Hitler, and the decadence of the Third Reich that the extermination of the Jews came into being. It wasn't just the jews (although they are the only ones you hear about!). Far more Soviets died in the concentration camps than Jews (we don't hear much about that, because straight after the second world war, we went into the cold war and hollywood didn't want us feeling sorry for the commies).

On the swastika, as a symbol, it has been around for thousands of years. The nazi's stole it, mass produced-it and made it infamous.

I don't get what you say by people wearing communist symbolism are not making a statement, but those wearing fascist are. Can you not see the major flaw in this logic? Due to the media, we see nazism as far, far worse than any of the commies stuff. But to me, I think they're just as bad and anyone wearing any of them is making a statement of their politics.

That being said, I'm not in favour of banning any of them. One of the true great freedoms we enjoy is the freedom of speech. Let the people display their true colours. The moment we start clamping down on political, religious symbolisms, we become exactly like what we mean to destroy. Anyway, if everyone with nazi beliefs started wearing nazi symbols, it would make them much easier to avoid talking to in the pub/taxi/shop etc:D

The Hill Billy · 30-11-2008 4:05pm

It is all bo11ocks really. I'd be more concerned at the seriously dodgy p0rn, fags, "second hand" (ie, nicked from a shed just like yours) power tools, etc. on sale at that market that, by purchasing, punters continue to line the pockets of the criminal fraternity on this island.

Ronanc1 · 30-11-2008 4:12pm

People who buy American flag regalia or Che Guevara T-shirts or Russian Army hats or the like generally aren't buying into the politics in any meaningful way. They're buying something vaguely cool and decorative.

But buying Nazi symbols is different. They're symbolic of a cult that existed purely for the murder of a specific ethnic group. Buying them is like buying into ethnic cleansing, all ethnic cleansing.

It's to do with that absolute, stark symbol: the swastika and all around it means "I will wipe your people from the earth".

Don't buy them, don't display them, don't go near them, please.

Sorry but i dont agree with your post at all. buying nazi memorabilia or Being a nazi has nothing to do with cults or exterminating people your comment makes about as much sense as saying "wearing a fianna fail button endorses murder! let me make this point nice and simple for you IF YOUR A NAZI YOU BELONG TO THE National Socialist German Workers' Party a government party NOTHING MORE ! people who buy stuff like this are buy a piece of history nothing more if it has swastikas all over it , it means jack sh!t this tripe about it being a symbol For wiping your people from the earth is a gross exaggeration and just shows your ignorance of the subject matter and history in general

peasant · 30-11-2008 4:41pm

Ronanc1 wrote: »

IF YOUR A NAZI YOU BELONG TO THE National Socialist German Workers' Party a government party NOTHING MORE ! people who buy stuff like this are buy a piece of history nothing more if it has swastikas all over it , it means jack sh!t this tripe about it being a symbol For wiping your people from the earth is a gross exaggeration and just shows your ignorance of the subject matter and history in general

What a load of bollox !

The NSDAP (Nationalsozialistische Arbeiterpartei Deutschlands) stopped being a political party the moment they got into pover and became a totalitarian regime.

A regime that systematically killed more than 11 million people that stood in its way, not to mention the uncountable millions that died in the war that this regime started.

Any symbolism referring to this regime represents an evil ideology, not a benign piece of history.

Anyone that surrounds themselves with these symbols hepls spreading this ideology ....especially in light of the fact that these symbols are so well publicised that every single person on earth knows what they stand for.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 30-11-2008 4:48pm

kickoutthejams wrote: »

QFT

What is QFT?

luckat wrote: »

I haven't read the whole thread, so I apologise in advance if someone else has made this point -

People who buy American flag regalia or Che Guevara T-shirts or Russian Army hats or the like generally aren't buying into the politics in any meaningful way. They're buying something vaguely cool and decorative.

But buying Nazi symbols is different. They're symbolic of a cult that existed purely for the murder of a specific ethnic group. Buying them is like buying into ethnic cleansing, all ethnic cleansing.

It's nothing, really, to do with the behaviour of the state of Israel, or whether Stalin or Mao or Hitler or the Armenians were more effective killing machines.

It's to do with that absolute, stark symbol: the swastika and all around it means "I will wipe your people from the earth".

Don't buy them, don't display them, don't go near them, please.

Nice post, good ideas... But that sign was once a symbol of peace etc etc. Wouldn't wear one, but I wouldn't have a problem with anyone selling or buying them. Not a follower of the religion but I am interested in it. The symbol with the red background is something differant, that is something I link with "evil", not the swatsika itself, you know?

peasant wrote: »

What a load of bollox !

The NSDAP (Nationalsozialistische Arbeiterpartei Deutschlands) stopped being a political party the moment they got into pover and became a totalitarian regime.

A regime that systematically killed more than 11 million people that stood in its way, not to mention the uncountable millions that died in the war that this regime started.

Any symbolism referring to this regime represents an evil ideology, not a benign piece of history.

Anyone that surrounds themselves with these symbols hepls spreading this ideology ....especially in light of the fact that these symbols are so well publicised that every single person on earth knows what they stand for.

Again, not fair to link the two symbols. Damn you hitler for doing this. What the hell did he pick this sign for anyway? What exact reason?

Ronanc1 · 30-11-2008 4:54pm

if your allowed say bollox can i ? haha :pac:

My point really is that not everyone who was a nazi believed in ethnic cleansing or violence some nazis were good people example being oskar schindler as well as that, many who belonged to the nazi party were so involved because of the partys aims and promises, self suffiency as well as a national pride and so on

i disagree that symbols reffering to the regime represent an evil ideology as ethenic cleansing and the sort were the schemes of particular evil twisted men like hitler, himmler and eichmann nothing to do with the regimes ideology

im certainly not endorsing people go around wearing swastikas and promoting anti semitism nor am i defending nazis just a bit of friendly discussion on differing views

Nazi Stall in Balbriggan Market

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