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The M50 Barrier Free Tolling Thread

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  • #782
    Drax
    Closed Accounts Posts: 511 ✭✭✭Drax


    bagofspanners1 wrote: »
    I'd love to get 200 reg plates all with the same reg (Brian Cowans or Bonos!!) stick them onto 100 cars and drive up and down the M50 for a few hours.
    Call it the GumFlow rally 2008 :D


    I say....capital idea old boy! :D


  • #783
    ART6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭ART6


    bagofspanners1 wrote: »
    :D

    Eflow is gonna bury itself with all these errors.

    I'd love to get 200 reg plates all with the same reg (Brian Cowans or Bonos!!) stick them onto 100 cars and drive up and down the M50 for a few hours.
    Call it the GumFlow rally 2008 :D
    Drax wrote: »
    I say....capital idea old boy! :D

    That should get you at least twenty replies pointing out that duplicating someone else's number plates is both illegal and irresponsible. But I think it's a b****y good idea. Might also play havoc with the Garda radar guns that only work in bright sunshine;)


  • #784
    Pythia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,469 ✭✭✭Pythia


    Got a letter today from eflow telling me I hadn't paid and they were demanding e86 for the two crossings or I'd go to court. I rang them to complain and they told me that the letter had been sent on the 29th October, before I had paid. They then insisted that the letter had taken 3 weeks in the post. Since I didn't have the letter with me (was at home) I couldn't dispute it although I told then I didn't believe them. They said I could take it up with the NRA if I felt like that.

    I then got someone at home to tell me the date it was sent (12th Nov) and rang back up telling them they were liars. Of course now the letter was visible on the system as being sent on the 12th and not the 29th and they apologised.

    It's almost funny how incompetant they are.


  • #785
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Why are people wasting money ringing them?

    They will never take anyone to court.


  • #786
    Pythia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,469 ✭✭✭Pythia


    Bond-007 wrote: »
    Why are people wasting money ringing them?

    They will never take anyone to court.

    What? It's not like everyone knows this or you can prove it. If you get a threatening letter you want to get it sorted. What an attitude.


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  • #787
    thebman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭thebman


    Pythia wrote: »
    Got a letter today from eflow telling me I hadn't paid and they were demanding e86 for the two crossings or I'd go to court. I rang them to complain and they told me that the letter had been sent on the 29th October, before I had paid. They then insisted that the letter had taken 3 weeks in the post. Since I didn't have the letter with me (was at home) I couldn't dispute it although I told then I didn't believe them. They said I could take it up with the NRA if I felt like that.

    I then got someone at home to tell me the date it was sent (12th Nov) and rang back up telling them they were liars. Of course now the letter was visible on the system as being sent on the 12th and not the 29th and they apologised.

    It's almost funny how incompetant they are.

    I hope you have reported them!! :confused: Not clear from the above.


  • #788
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Pythia wrote: »
    What? It's not like everyone knows this or you can prove it. If you get a threatening letter you want to get it sorted. What an attitude.
    The bin is a great place for those.


  • #789
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,113 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Pythia wrote: »
    What? It's not like everyone knows this or you can prove it. If you get a threatening letter you want to get it sorted. What an attitude.
    Whilst I agree, our politicians* should not allow a state owned body send out threatening letters when it knows that a significant proportion of those letters are threatening people wrongly.



    * I was going to say leaders but that wouldn't be correct!


  • #790
    Savman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    Ok I'm confused. They are sending me all sorts of threatening letters demanding unpaid tolls PLUS €40 fines, and the latest letters had a picture of a pair of headlights in the dark. You can barely make out its a car, let alone see a number plate.

    So if one was to query a toll, this is eflow's proof? A dark fuzzy picture? Ridiculous.


  • #791
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    A dark fuzzy picture proves nothing.


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  • #792
    Savman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    See Attach. If anyone can recognise my reg from that I'll buy you a beer.


  • #793
    Sean Quagmire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭Sean Quagmire


    Savman wrote: »
    See Attach. If anyone can recognise my reg from that I'll buy you a beer.


    Its...a ghost car!

    There are ghost cars all over the M50, you know.


  • #794
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Is that even a car?


  • #795
    patrickc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭patrickc


    in 1 of the letters for a car I don't own anymore, you could make out the reg, so I'd imagine your sorted there


  • #796
    Savman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    Sean Quagmire wrote: »
    Its...a ghost car!

    There are ghost cars all over the M50, you know.
    roffle :D:D


  • #797
    Savman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    patrickc wrote: »
    in 1 of the letters for a car I don't own anymore, you could make out the reg, so I'd imagine your sorted there
    So the bridge is free at night? :pac:


  • #798
    patrickc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭patrickc


    Savman wrote: »
    So the bridge is free at night? :pac:

    well the pics I got were in the dark, they were like 5am i think, but you could just about make out the reg.


  • #799
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    You need the special blinding headlights for that. :pac:


  • #800
    cormie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,857 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    What happens if you put your full beams on going through I wonder? :D

    I imagine that that's just a skewed version of the picture and they actually have far greater quality images... surely..


  • #801
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    No one knows for sure.


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  • #802
    cormie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,857 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Someone could pull a mooner on the passenger seat going through, right up to the windscreen, if the folks working there have any sense of humour, it should appear on the net within a few weeks in full quality ;)


  • #803
    HPT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭HPT


    Savman wrote: »
    Ok I'm confused. They are sending me all sorts of threatening letters demanding unpaid tolls PLUS €40 fines, and the latest letters had a picture of a pair of headlights in the dark. You can barely make out its a car, let alone see a number plate.

    So if one was to query a toll, this is eflow's proof? A dark fuzzy picture? Ridiculous.

    Clearly the fact that it got to you means they can read the reg... :)


  • #804
    Savman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    HPT wrote: »
    Clearly the fact that it got to you means they can read the reg... :)
    You're kinda missing the point. This photographic 'evidence' is obviously supposed to make the motorist pay up, and it's hardly rock solid proof of anything now in fairness.

    "Hey I'm not sure if I used the toll bridge on the dates you say."
    "No problem we'll send you a pic of some headlights."
    :rolleyes:


  • #805
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 43,113 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    HPT wrote: »
    Clearly the fact that it got to you means they can read the reg... :)
    Given the number of errors they have made, a later arriving to the correct driver is possibly a coincidence!


  • #806
    Sizzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    Savman - Have you actually said to them, that wasnt me?

    I bet they agree and just delete the notice :)

    This operation must be costing them a small fortune and I bet anything the revenue they are getting now is 5% less than it was when they had the toll there, thats not down to traffic volumes, its down to the sheer mess that is eflow. 5% might not sound like a lot but do the maths, 100,000 movements a day = 5000 x at a minimum €2, ouch :eek: Thats 10k down the toilet today, 35k for the week,140k for the month and almost €1.7m for the year and Im guessing 5% is conservative.


  • #807
    leon8v
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭leon8v


    Well they still havent implemented the additional €3 administration fee that is suppossed to be on the first letter, and in one phone call last week they cleared €160 in fines that I told them we werent paying as the notices had taken so long to get here. The guy didnt question it at all. So at the moment, even allowing for all the errors, they cant be taking in any more revenue than when the booths were in place yet they have huge admin costs now. Would be curious to see if they are making any money at all. Will they release figures for the first 3 months at the end of November??


  • #808
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    FOI the NRA in January. Will cost you €15 for the information.


  • #809
    ART6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭ART6


    Looking back over the hundreds of posts about this, I become convinced that our public services cannot handle any more complicated computer technology than a message tied to the leg of a pigeon.:rolleyes:


  • #810
    digitaldr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,584 ✭✭✭digitaldr


    Don't use the m50 much but on the 2 occasions I have since barrier free tolling was introduced I waited for the letter in the post. Both times I was only caught for the southbound journey - could it be that the rear number plate on my CRV is too low to be read?


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  • #811
    Sizzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭Sizzler


    digitaldr wrote: »
    Don't use the m50 much but on the 2 occasions I have since barrier free tolling was introduced I waited for the letter in the post. Both times I was only caught for the southbound journey - could it be that the rear number plate on my CRV is too low to be read?
    You could be onto something there :D Now all you need to do is reverse up the M50 when making a northbound journey!


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