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Could you go out with a religeous person?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭Malari


    Hardly a revelation. We have such'bombshells dropped on the Christianity forum (usually accompanied with a clip from the Zeitgeist Movie) on a fairly regular basis. That people were celebrating other things around the same time does noting to invalidate Christianity.

    I'm just refuting you, not trying to invalidate Christianity (at the moment). It's just not the true meaning of christmas, that's all.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Malari wrote: »
    It's just not the true meaning of christmas, that's all.
    Sometimes, amongst all the fuss, it's easy to forget that Christmas is Santa's birthday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    Malari wrote: »
    I'm just refuting you, not trying to invalidate Christianity (at the moment). It's just not the true meaning of christmas, that's all.

    While I fully accept that there is no biblical basis for the 25th of December being celebrated as the birth of Jesus, it is clear that the true meaning of Christmas (and we'll ignore all the manic present giving for mow) has it's basis in Christianity.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ChocolateSauce


    While I fully accept that there is no biblical basis for the 25th of December being celebrated as the birth of Jesus, it is clear that the true meaning of Christmas (and we'll ignore all the manic present giving for mow) has it's basis in Christianity.

    Only in name. The holiday is based on the winter solstice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭Malari


    OK, I'm going to call it Xmas in future. Works for Xtina Aguilera...


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,421 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Malari wrote: »
    OK, I'm going to call it Xmas in future.
    Been calling it Saturnalia or Midwinter for years. Even had a few converts, praise be!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    robindch wrote: »
    Been calling it Saturnalia or Midwinter for years. Even had a few converts, praise be!

    Personally I sick with Festivus... Frank Cozstansa cannot be wrong.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3 berbatov31


    ..can you imagine going out with an ian paisley craw thumping unionist, marching through the kitchen all day spouting their fascist rants. those inbred ****s!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    Hardly a revelation. We have such'bombshells dropped on the Christianity forum (usually accompanied with a clip from the Zeitgeist Movie) on a fairly regular basis. That people were celebrating other things around the same time does noting to invalidate Christianity.

    Fair enough, but what it does show is that christianity hijacked what was originally a pagan festival. Why don't christians celebrate Jesus birthday on it's real date? Oh hang on, you haven't a clue when he was born, much like we know very little about his life in general. There are reasons to be sceptical as to whether such a man even existed, but that's a whole other ball game.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭jim o doom


    Just HOW religious are we talking here? Creationist? - personally, if they were hot and didn't care about the "no sex before marriage" thing - maybe.</P>otherwise no, especially a creationist, I don't think my sarky humour could put up with that sort of (what I personally regard as) stupidity. (I am that shallow). Although I hope my fiancee doesn't read this hypotethical answer
    :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,161 ✭✭✭✭M5


    Hmmm, i can put up with Catholicism thats only 20+ years of (ahem) "positive enforcement" , but creationism, thats just stupidity :-P


  • Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭DanCorb


    I could not go out with a religious person at all.

    If they are very religious, they believe I am a filthy sinner that deserves eternal punishment in hell.

    If they are a little religious, they are supporting the notion that atheists are the scum of the earth.

    Anyway, both positions are too irrational. I wouldn't get along with such irrationality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    DanCorb wrote: »
    If they are a little religious, they are supporting the notion that atheists are the scum of the earth.
    What nonsense. How you can call anyone anything irrational after such a ridiculous and poorly thought out point beggers belief - not faith.


  • Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭DanCorb


    What nonsense. How you can call anyone anything irrational after such a ridiculous and poorly thought out point beggers belief - not faith.

    What?
    Some reading material for you:

    http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Secular-Philosophies/The-Problem-With-Religious-Moderates.aspx

    http://richarddawkins.net/articleComments,1803,Most-religious-people-are-moderate-and-dont-hurt-anybody,RichardDawkinsnet,page2


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    Weidii wrote: »
    It would also be interesting to hear the other side of this.

    To any religious person who may be reading this:

    Could you get into/stay in a relationship with an athiest, agnostic or *gasp* anti theist?

    Hi,

    I'm a Christian, and frankly I'm amazed at all the people on here who say they wouldn't go out with some-one who is religious. I certainly would go out with an atheist. And am in fact going out with an agnostic right now.

    I certainly wouldn't try to press any of my beliefs on my boyfriend. It's totally up to him what he wants to do. I wouldnt think being religious even affects my everyday life, so why would people on here not go out with one?

    Lets see, Im trying to think what exactly I do: I would talk to god at night before I go to sleep (in my head), usually something quick. I might read the bible once a year. Go to mass a few times a year. I dont believe you have to be in a church for god to hear you, so I rather talk to him yourself.

    If you think religious people are deluded etc. that's fair enough. Just wondering, if they were brought up like that, and knew nothing else, would you not cut them some slack? Would you not think maybe you could explain your views to them and see what they think? Maybe they would agree with you? Just to diregard all religious people as a potential partner from the outset is mindboggling to me.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Are we talking church on Sunday religious or "Stop wearing clothes made of more tahn one kind of fabric!" religious?

    On a side note, I used to go out with this girl. Shortly after we broke up she became 'Born Again', probably as some kind of bizarre sideswipe against my atheist ways.
    Pfft, she didn't seem so Christian when she had her ankles around her neck. :pac:
    Or when she decided polygamy suited her better. :mad:

    Real classy of you to tell us


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    Calibos wrote: »
    You see we are backing ourselves into a corner here. We don't want to let ourselves fall for someone who we will only lose respect for when we find out they are religious or have Woo beliefs. So the obvious solution would be to try and hook up with ladies at the local secular humanist society/club where you are guaranteed a lady of the atheistic/agnostic persuasion. But then again, the type of girl in general who would join such a club would be more the activist type and if theres on thing that goes hand in hand with female activists its hairy armpits and an untrimmed thatch!! Whats a handsome atheist guy to do?? :D

    This is so wrong on so many levels. I presume you are Brad Pitt yourself!!!:)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    DanCorb wrote: »
    I could not go out with a religious person at all.

    If they are very religious, they believe I am a filthy sinner that deserves eternal punishment in hell.

    If they are a little religious, they are supporting the notion that atheists are the scum of the earth.

    Anyway, both positions are too irrational. I wouldn't get along with such irrationality.

    I don't think that about atheists. What are you assuming this on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭Malari


    Hi,

    I'm a Christian, and frankly I'm amazed at all the people on here who say they wouldn't go out with some-one who is religious. I certainly would go out with an atheist. And am in fact going out with an agnostic right now.

    I certainly wouldn't try to press any of my beliefs on my boyfriend. It's totally up to him what he wants to do. I wouldnt think being religious even affects my everyday life, so why would people on here not go out with one?

    Lets see, Im trying to think what exactly I do: I would talk to god at night before I go to sleep (in my head), usually something quick. I might read the bible once a year. Go to mass a few times a year. I dont believe you have to be in a church for god to hear you, so I rather talk to him yourself.

    If you think religious people are deluded etc. that's fair enough. Just wondering, if they were brought up like that, and knew nothing else, would you not cut them some slack? Would you not think maybe you could explain your views to them and see what they think? Maybe they would agree with you? Just to diregard all religious people as a potential partner from the outset is mindboggling to me.

    This is actually what happened with my boyfriend. He wouldn't really have been religious or atheistic in his thinking - he really hadn't considered it that much any more. I explained how I felt and he thought it made perfect sense.

    To be honest I don't know if exes were religious or not, but yes, it would eventually get to me if they were saying things like "I'll say a prayer for her", "with god's help", etc and eventually it would become an issue. My atheism is very important to me and I would sooner or later have a problem with a partner if their religion was important to them.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    @ midlandsmissus

    If you click this button (bottom right of each post) on each post you want to reply to:

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    and then click "REPLY" at the bottom of the page, you can do all your replies one post.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    Ah thanks Dades


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    Hi,

    I'm a Christian, and frankly I'm amazed at all the people on here who say they wouldn't go out with some-one who is religious.
    To be honest it really depends on the Christian. There's quite a spectrum from a mild church goer to a literal fundamentalist. St Paul says "do not yoke yourself with unbelievers" so if you take your Christianity very seriously and literally you're not going to go out with an unbeliever in the first place.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    To be honest it really depends on the Christian. There's quite a spectrum from a mild church goer to a literal fundamentalist. St Paul says "do not yoke yourself with unbelievers" so if you take your Christianity very seriously and literally you're not going to go out with an unbeliever in the first place.

    Thank you for being able to determine the differences, and for not stereotyping every religious person; someone in this thread said you're only intolerant of something if your reason for that intolerance is a misconception.

    It seems to me that a lot of people on here would automatically blank a person the second they would say they are religious. Usually because they believe that person would be a bible-basher; seems like a misconception to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Hi,

    I'm a Christian, and frankly I'm amazed at all the people on here who say they wouldn't go out with some-one who is religious. I certainly would go out with an atheist. And am in fact going out with an agnostic right now.

    I certainly wouldn't try to press any of my beliefs on my boyfriend. It's totally up to him what he wants to do. I wouldnt think being religious even affects my everyday life, so why would people on here not go out with one?

    Lets see, Im trying to think what exactly I do: I would talk to god at night before I go to sleep (in my head), usually something quick. I might read the bible once a year. Go to mass a few times a year. I dont believe you have to be in a church for god to hear you, so I rather talk to him yourself.

    If you think religious people are deluded etc. that's fair enough. Just wondering, if they were brought up like that, and knew nothing else, would you not cut them some slack? Would you not think maybe you could explain your views to them and see what they think? Maybe they would agree with you? Just to diregard all religious people as a potential partner from the outset is mindboggling to me.

    Do you believe in heaven? Do you believe someone only goes there through God and Christ? If so, then you're either utterly heartless and don't care that your boyfriend will spend an eternity separated from God, or you just don't really think about the ramifications of your beliefs. Both of which suck.

    The very fact that you can be so casual about it really says something: "Meh, it's totally up to my boyfriend's whim if he'll spend a hundred billion years in darkness eternally separated from me and God".

    Then if you answered no to the above questions and yet consider the Bible to be relevant I'm yet again dumbfounded at how illconsidered your position is.

    At the heart of a worthwhile relationship is respect, and I'm sorry but I can't respect someone who can read the Bible and think "Hmm, that was something other than a big pile of crap."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    It seems to me that a lot of people on here would automatically blank a person the second they would say they are religious. Usually because they believe that person would be a bible-basher; seems like a misconception to me.
    None of us are truly logical and always logical in our thinking. So if an atheist's argument is I don't like those illogical people, it's a bit stupid because they are excusing, ignoring or just not self aware of their own bad logic.

    It's bit like the way Jesus said seeing the needle in the other person's eye and ignoring the log in your own.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Zillah wrote: »
    Do you believe in heaven? Do you believe someone only goes there through God and Christ? If so, then you're either utterly heartless and don't care that your boyfriend will spend an eternity separated from God, or you just don't really think about the ramifications of your beliefs. Both of which suck.

    The very fact that you can be so casual about it really says something: "Meh, it's totally up to my boyfriend's whim if he'll spend a hundred billion years in darkness eternally separated from me and God".

    Then if you answered no to the above questions and yet consider the Bible to be relevant I'm yet again dumbfounded at how illconsidered your position is.

    At the heart of a worthwhile relationship is respect, and I'm sorry but I can't respect someone who can read the Bible and think "Hmm, that was something other than a big pile of crap."

    Maybe she thinks that if someone is a good person, regardless of their religious creed, then they will go to "Heaven".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭Goduznt Xzst


    I certainly wouldn't try to press any of my beliefs on my boyfriend. It's totally up to him what he wants to do. I wouldnt think being religious even affects my everyday life, so why would people on here not go out with one?

    How has your agnostic boyfriend responded to your celibacy?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭CerebralCortex


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Maybe she thinks that if someone is a good person, regardless of their religious creed, then they will go to "Heaven".

    Seriously, what kind of christians do you hang out with?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    None of us are truly logical and always logical in our thinking. So if an atheist's argument is I don't like those illogical people, it's a bit stupid because they are excusing, ignoring or just not self aware of their own bad logic.

    It's bit like the way Jesus said seeing the needle in the other person's eye and ignoring the log in your own.

    Agreed. All it takes though is to get yourself out there and meet people to realize that it's not right to generalize. People see the antics of the Westboro Church on the TV , or of Creationists, or of Dawkins interviewing crackpots instead of people who can argue reasonably (Gary Habermas for instance) and it makes it all too easy to dismiss every religious person as an idiot.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Agreed. All it takes though is to get yourself out there and meet people to realize that it's not right to generalize. People see the antics of the Westboro Church on the TV , or of Creationists, or of Dawkins interviewing crackpots instead of people who can argue reasonably (Gary Habermas for instance) and it makes it all too easy to dismiss every religious person as an idiot.
    Yes it's sort of trendy to mock religion. The only things that really annoy about religion are when it can descriminate against kids getting into schools etc., when people without religion are not provided with equal rights and when it tries to claim more knowledge on material matters than Science such as evolution.

    However, most religious people I know feel the exact same way about these issue. I see these problems as a failure of non religious people to get up off their *ss.

    I mean if 10,000 70 year olds can do it, why can't 10,000 secularists?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Yes it's sort of trendy to nock religion. The only things that really annoy about religion are when it can descriminate against kids getting into schools etc. and when people without religion are not provided with equal rights.

    However, most religious people I know feel the exact same way about this issue. I see it's as a failure of non religious people to get up off their *ss.

    I mean if 10,000 70 year olds can do it, why can't 10,000 secularists?

    Agreed 100% on the first part. It saddens me to see the church discriminating against kids, we've gotten to the point where schools have been built specifically for non-catholic kids; basically endorsing segregation and ignoring integration.

    In regards to the second part, it's a coincidence because I've just finished reading Who Governs by Robert Dahl; a fascinating insight into how pluralist democracy works.

    If people get organized and kick up a big enough stink using the resources that are available to them, such as the media, the Government will find it difficult to ignore them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Maybe she thinks that if someone is a good person, regardless of their religious creed, then they will go to "Heaven".

    Yes, maybe. And yet she reads the Bible once a year, in which it explicitly states that no one can go to Heaven except through accepting Jesus Christ as their personal saviour. Either way her position is ridiculous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    Zillah wrote: »
    Yes, maybe. And yet she reads the Bible once a year, in which it explicitly states that no one can go to Heaven except through accepting Jesus Christ as their personal saviour. Either way her position is ridiculous.
    I sniff a false dichotomy from you, Zillah.

    You speak if it's:

    1. You believe that a Christian must believe that no one can go to Heaven except through accepting Jesus Christ as their personal saviour.

    Or

    2. You are not a Christian.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    I took it as he meant:

    1. You believe that a Christian must believe that no one can go to Heaven except through accepting Jesus Christ as their personal saviour

    or

    2. You're a disingenuous pick and choose merchant


    Both of which would be undesirable for young Zillah here!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Dave! wrote: »
    2. You're a disingenuous pick
    I had to re-read that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    I sniff a false dichotomy from you, Zillah.

    You speak if it's:

    1. You believe that a Christian must believe that no one can go to Heaven except through accepting Jesus Christ as their personal saviour.

    Or

    2. You are not a Christian.

    Dave!'s summary is more accurate. I'm not insisting upon what a Christian must believe to qualify as such, I'm just pointing out that there has to be an inconsistency in her position somewhere. If she believes he won't go to heaven but does nothing then she clearly doesn't care about him much (or doesn't really believe it). If she believes he'll go to heaven while not accepting Jesus Christ then she is abitrarily dismissing the entire thesis of the New Testament while still accepting it as the word of God, which is an untenable position.

    I'm pointing this out as an example of why I don't think I could ever have a serious relationship with a believer. Respect is paramount and I can't respect a mind that can accept such contradictions.
    Dades wrote: »
    I had to re-read that!

    Ha! I saw the ban-hammer version until you quoted it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    Zillah wrote: »
    Dave!'s summary is more accurate. I'm not insisting upon what a Christian must believe to qualify as such, I'm just pointing out that there has to be an inconsistency in her position somewhere.
    How can there be any consistency in something that there isn't even an agreed objective definition?
    If she believes he won't go to heaven but does nothing then she clearly doesn't care about him much (or doesn't really believe it). If she believes he'll go to heaven while not accepting Jesus Christ then she is abitrarily dismissing the entire thesis of the New Testament while still accepting it as the word of God, which is an untenable position.
    Maybe she accepts the Bible as the word of man and it contains errors.
    Maybe she accepts it as the word of God, but an allegorical word not a literal word.
    I'm pointing this out as an example of why I don't think I could ever have a serious relationship with a believer. Respect is paramount and I can't respect a mind that can accept such contradictions.
    I'd prefer someone with a few contradictions than someone who is was selfish or had no sense of humour myself.
    Could you be friends with someone who had contradictions in their viewpoints?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭Danimalito


    in order to lower the tone of the thread a smidgeon, my 2 cents:

    - catholic women: the dogs bollix. Most perverted species on the planet for sure.

    - protestants: meh. Typically jesus freaks who belive they'll go to hell if they snog a fella before marriage. Often have a minor mental health problem.

    - muslims: They shave /everywhere/! brilliant ... well, until the parents tell em no fcekin way are they gonna date a non-believer.

    no idea about hindus/buddists


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Danimalito wrote: »
    in order to lower the tone of the thread a smidgeon, my 2 cents...
    Well at least now we have the "After Hours" opinion covered in the thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    How can there be any consistency in something that there isn't even an agreed objective definition?

    Not sure what you're getting at.
    Maybe she accepts the Bible as the word of man and it contains errors.

    In which case I have to ask what reasonable criteria she could possibly be using when deciding what to keep and what to kick?
    Maybe she accepts it as the word of God, but an allegorical word not a literal word.

    What could possibly be allegorical about Jesus saying "No one comes before the Father except through Me"? The Bible goes on and on in very literal terms about how believing in and obeying God is the only way to enter heaven.
    I'd prefer someone with a few contradictions than someone who is was selfish or had no sense of humour myself.

    Er, ok. Any of those criteria are enough to sink the deal.
    Could you be friends with someone who had contradictions in their viewpoints?

    Yes, probably. Not very good friends I'd imagine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭seanybiker


    Im not holy at all but I respect everyones beliefs. Who am I to say dont believe or do believe. i like to be treat the same. My lack goes to mass but I certainly wouldnt leave because of it. She knows not to go about it to me. Why would she want to go on about mass for anyways. She isnt one of those omg your going to hell for not beleiving, she is open minded and respects my desicion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭Tim Robbins


    Zillah wrote: »
    Not sure what you're getting at.
    Christians can't even agree on what Christianity means. I would never expect consistency from something that is imprecise in the first place.
    In which case I have to ask what reasonable criteria she could possibly be using when deciding what to keep and what to kick?

    What could possibly be allegorical about Jesus saying "No one comes before the Father except through Me"? The Bible goes on and on in very literal terms about how believing in and obeying God is the only way to enter heaven.
    As someone said here once asking a Christian to explain their Christian views using logic is like asking asking an atheist to explain their views by only using parables from the bible!

    Of course you can nit pick and point out logical fallacies in Christianity, but is it fair to write someone off just because they enjoy something that contains logical fallacies? I don't think it is. I think it's very dismissive of people.

    I've a friend whose a devout Muslim. He's bright guy. In fact, another gentleman from Bosnia I worked with is one the brightest people I have ever worked with and is also a devout Muslim. Far brighter than I could ever be. I think it's bit facile writing people off. There may be something deeper going on that is difficult to put into terms we can all agree on.

    So, what I am suggesting is sometimes when you put things into context, if there's no harm being done by the action or if the some positive done by the action, than that can be more important the logic validity of the action.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Somewhat ironically, I never said I was making a rational decision. I am speaking simply in terms of how I suspect I will feel: I have so little respect for religion, and thusfar have had so little respect for those who proclaim to be believers, that I honestly believe it is out of my hands: I'd never love a believer because I could not respect them or value their opinion.

    I am not saying that on principle I will not consider a religious partner, if I'm in love I'm in love and be damned to who they are or what they believe. I just really doubt it could happen.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,105 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    No, I have not and could not.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭deleriumtremens


    I'm a complete nihilistic atheist without any belief in anything supernatural so I dont think I'd last too long around somebody with devout religious beliefs!! I dont think I would be able to stop myself from feeling like shoving some evolution books or general rational thoughts down her throat!
    But as for the more common going-to-mass-once-a-week type believer, it wouldnt borrow me in the slightest!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    Zillah wrote: »
    Do you believe in heaven? Do you believe someone only goes there through God and Christ? If so, then you're either utterly heartless and don't care that your boyfriend will spend an eternity separated from God, or you just don't really think about the ramifications of your beliefs. Both of which suck.

    The very fact that you can be so casual about it really says something: "Meh, it's totally up to my boyfriend's whim if he'll spend a hundred billion years in darkness eternally separated from me and God".

    Then if you answered no to the above questions and yet consider the Bible to be relevant I'm yet again dumbfounded at how illconsidered your position is.

    At the heart of a worthwhile relationship is respect, and I'm sorry but I can't respect someone who can read the Bible and think "Hmm, that was something other than a big pile of crap."

    You're calling me heartless and yet you have poseted a very heartless message there that really upset me. It was a very ill thought out message from you. You said If so, then you're either utterly heartless and don't care that your boyfriend will spend an eternity separated from God, or you just don't really think about the ramifications of your beliefs. Both of which suck.

    The fact that you jumped to those two conclusions very quickly says more about you than it does about me. Of course I care very much about my boyfriend, and of course as a christian I think he will go to hell if he doesnt believe.

    But there is a third conclusion which i am surprised you didnt think of.

    I dont want to force religion on him, I want him to make his own journey to God.

    If you read my post correctly, I said my boyfriend is an agnostic. This means that he doesnt not believe or believe, he is undecided about the issue.

    I actually cant believe that you decided to attack me, without asking me to clarify the issue. not a very nice attitude from you? I dislike people who shove religion down other people's throats. This is not the way to make people listen. Believe me, back when I didn't believe in God, I definitely didnt listen to people who said 'YOU'LL BURN FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!'I would have run a mile screaming 'what a lunatic!'


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,105 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Ah Zillah, that Christian rascal. What will he get up to next!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Maybe she thinks that if someone is a good person, regardless of their religious creed, then they will go to "Heaven".



    No, LZ5by5,

    I would actually want him to discover God , on his own terms, the way I did. I certainly wouldnt want to force the issue on him.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    How has your agnostic boyfriend responded to your celibacy?

    Goduznt,

    Such a personal question. I presume you will also be telling me about your own sex life!!.

    Well, giving that I only became a Christian in the last year, and I am 25, I'm not a virgin.

    What are your views on that then? I'm sure they'll be sharp and hard to read, but I'll put myself through it!

    As far as im aware this is not an unforgivable sin.


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