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Cork GAA Discussion Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭lukin


    The Tipp Limerick game this year was played in Thurles, not Limerick but I take your point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,455 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Pat Ryan should stay but he needs a coach with balls! I think Ben O Connor would fit perfectly. He’s a similar mould to Damien Duff in terms of how he handles media and so on. Better off in the background doing to tactical work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭Bobby_Bolivia


    Read back over this thread and read back over the Peoples Republic of Cork. "The media generated hype" is an absoutely laughable statement.

    Ye only had to show up.

    There were combined teams being put up admittedly on the other forum that had 0, yes 0 players from Tipp making it into the Cork team.

    I've never seen such undeserved arrogance from fans in all my life supporting hurling. Cork's championship before the AI final yesterday when you broke it down was not very impressive at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,578 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Can you show me where people on this thread said "we only have to show up"?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    I knew there was the possibility of defeat but i didn't expect us to implode like that in the second half! Why didn't any Cork players have the cuteness to try and stall Tipps momentum when they were turning the screw in that second half?

    What happened in that dressing room at half time? It was the opposite of Father O'Brien rousing the troops at half time in the 1990 final!

    Patrick Collins making a holy show of himself for that first Tipp goal, the desperate wides by panicking Cork players, trying for goal chances when they weren't on etc. Cork in that second half were the ultimate example of a team crumbling under the weight of expectation.

    Leaderless on the pitch and leaderless off it management were far too slow and late in making the required changes. We lost back to all Irelands in 1982 and 1983. The same thing happened in the football in 1987 and 1988. We put things right in 1984 and 1989 but can any of us say with any confidence that the same thing will happen in 2026?

    We need to written off big time whenever we make it back to a final. The next time everyone is blowing us up (i was doing that myself!) as favourites i'll be really worried! Ah that was one hell of a sobering afternoon. It's not quite the Cork of Eudie Coughlan, Ringy, Jack Lynch, JBM, Teddy Mac, Sean Og and Brian Corcoran anymore sadly.

    This is going to hurt for quite awhile but we have no choice but to get back up on the horse again next year. This team have given some great days out in the last two years but they just couldn't get the job done in two all Ireland finals now under Pat Ryan, and of course a few of them were there in 2021 as well.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭Bobby_Bolivia


    This entire post for starters. 6 Thanks.

    "Delighted with Tipp winning the other semi".

    "More beatable than Kilkenny".

    "Cork would beat both but Tipp a bit easier".

    Will I keep going?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    You shouldn't judge a county by it's bandwagon supporter's and especially the sh1te those supporters spout online.

    I was really impressed with Tipp against Kilkenny; loads of youth, spirit and fight with Maher and Mcgraths thrown in for experience.

    Being underdogs against a team they had no big fear of, while they had a panel with 6 or 7 medal winners was the perfect way to reach a final.

    Cork had a dreadful semi final. When I played I hated winning semi finals easy; it sets a bad tone for the final and let's a kinda malaise set in.

    The goal from Collins mistake was the killer blow. To many Cork players went hiding after that.

    Horgan hasn't an all Ireland medal because he hasn't dominated a final like Gillane, Tony Kelly have done when needed. Classy player, great servant and role model but never able to grab a final by the scruff of the neck and decide it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭lukin


    Cork were made favourites by the media (and by a lot of their fans) because they had already beaten Tipp twice this year comprehensively. That was a mistake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    Cork were league champions and Munster champions going into the game so we were entitled to be somewhat confident.

    No one inside or outside Cork was expecting as big a collapse as that from Cork in the second half.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,470 ✭✭✭almostover


    Unfortunately you're right about Hoggie, he has played in 5 finals and has a total of 9pts from play. He has become the Aidan O'Shea of hurling. There should be no talk of another year for him, management need to be ruthless now and move on from him as great as he has been.

    A trivia question for all us Cork hurling fans. We have played in 5 finals since 2013, who is our top goal scorer across all 5 finals?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    They were but got completely dismantled by Limerick in round robin. It was like 2021 final in how thorough it was. Those kind of defeats damage confidence.

    They came back and won Munster but I'm not sure they recovered from it, and when Tipp put it up to them yesterday those doubts resurfaced and they imploded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,578 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    9 months until the Munster championship in 2026. That's a long time. Serious changes needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Straight Talker


    That @Bobby_Bolivia person is not worth the time engaging with folks. He made a rather nasty and classless dig at Hoggie in another post. I have no issues with people outside the county criticising the performance of the Cork team, but less of these self righteous, sanctimonious and holier than thou speeches please.

    Cork 1990 All Ireland Senior Hurling and Football Champions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,243 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    I had money on ye lads.

    Any chance of a refund ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭Bobby_Bolivia


    I think the classless thing was a veteran player laughing in the face of an opposition player after a goal had been scored and that player rightly deserves savage criticism for it.

    I make absolutely no apologies for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,578 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Three championship games this year now where Cork had meltdowns of various degrees, conceding massive scores and no ability to stem the tide. Second half against Clare and the whole game against Limerick in Munster. And then the ultimate breakdown yesterday. Not going to win any All Ireland playing like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭another36


    This has to hurt losing hurts but the manner is difficult to take.

    Thinking of the players and management this morning they gave so much all year.

    Cork now have to soul search but I've no doubt they will be back next year.

    Munster will be even more competitive. Clare and Lmk hunger, Cork hurt, Tipp champions and Waterford trying to break out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    I'm not from Cork but I don't think lots of supporters get the toll losing finals has on players, management and their families.

    I was lucky to win 4 county finals as a play but I lost four to. My last loss was 20 years ago in a replay as captain; it still burns every time I enter that ground or watch my club play.

    I was a dedicated club player but the effort that modern inter county players put in along with the scrutiny in the media and social media is a different universe to my level.

    It's a very tough spot for young men, and young amateur men at that who play and entertain us playing our great games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 189 ✭✭King Power Fox


    In fairness to Horgan we don't know what Shelly had been doing or more likely the corner back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭thesultan


    but do the cork hype train not come from the fans themselves??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭lukin


    Cork lost two AI finals in a row in 1982 and 1983. They won it in 1984 but they were playing Offaly who would not really be considered a traditional hurling county so it was a bit easier for them. If Cork get back to the final next year (and that's a big ask), they will probably be playing one of the traditional hurling counties (Tipp, KK or possibly Limerick). I couldn't see us beating one of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,578 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    League and Munster champions so people would certainly have felt Cork were favourites. Tipp were under the radar though but when you look at their season they were excellent throughout and underestimated by everyone.

    Cork hurling people always have an optimism and expectation that this is our year. 20 years of hurt and all that. I do think that yesterday will change the usual mood of expectation until they actually win the All Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 977 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    A Clareman commenting. For decades, prior to 1995, we were subject to humbling beatings in Munster similar to what Cork experienced yesterday. They were not easy days, my first Munster championship game attending was in the Gaelic Grounds around 1966, as one could feel the derision that Cork and Tipperary hurling supporters then felt for Clare. I was reared listening to stories of Cork hurling, watched Ring play a Munster Club final as a veteran and watched various players who could msx the sublime with the 'steel'. Jimmy Barry, Gerald McCarthy, Cummins, Horgan, Fenton etc etc. Then to see yesterday's 'stars' prove so brittle when the battle for supremacy begin. I personally couldn't believe my eyes. I never expected that in my lifetime that I would see a highly rated, talented, Cork team experience a collapse like yesterday. It is a lonesome place to be, as I remember so well from my years of watching Clare. Not being facetious but I genuinely think that the Cork team should meet as a collective and apologise to their management and supporters for yesterday's debacle. They let their county down, a county that continued to give them incredible support even when the Tipperary supporters had deserted their team. They also let Pat Ryan down, a decent person who is a credit to the game of hurling. The players need to draw a line under yesterday's performance and while they can't promise that they will an all-Ireland they can promise that they will never again fold as easily as they did this year in the Gaelic Grounds and yesterday in Croke Park. Otherwise imo yesterday's performance will fester and leave Cork struggling for a few years to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭mjp


    Can blame management all you want but where was the leadership on the pitch when things were going against ye? Didn't see one incident where player even went down injured to try and stop playing or put in a hit or do anything to try and stem the tide. Can't put it down to inexperience either as plenty lads there on pitch who have experience of the big day. I wonder if that free that Horgan missed at start of 2nd half went over would cork have settled differently in 2nd half. Could see the fear even before the goal after tipp had hit 5 points in a row on 45 mins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭lukin


    Looking back through the past AI finals; since Kilkenny last won the AI in 2015 they have played in four finals and lost them all. That's in a ten year period so that's the same record as ours because we have also lost four in the last ten years. Three of our losses have come in the last five years though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,799 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You have zero clue about the context of that spat. And I doubt you have ever played hurling.

    Patrick Horgan is one of the finest ever hurling players. Even if he doesn't get the AI medal, he is still a legend of the game.

    I am from Galway btw.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,799 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Paddy had Cork at 2/5 yesterday which was crazy. I made 2 bets - a red card in the match and a scored penalty for Cork. I was disgusted with the missed penalty.

    I honestly think Cork will have a right go at the AI next year. They will need to figure out how to play the sweeper but Cahill said he almost abandoned the sweeper at start of 2nd half when they were 6 points down. Fine margins. Galway lost finals in 1985/86 before getting two-in-a-row.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,286 ✭✭✭lukin


    Not a great comparison because Galway didn't have to play a provincial championship before the All-Ireland series. No qualifier system back then either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,441 ✭✭✭mossie


    Two of those three were hammerings though, which is worrying. I would have hoped that having gone close last year we would get over the line this year but it seems we went backwards instead.



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