Cork GAA Discussion Thread

tobefrank321

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656319#Comment_123656319

That's all well and good but not an attitude that will deliver an AI anytime soon.

The best managers and teams man up, hold their hands up, and learn from their mistakes.

There's nothing bizarre about apologies when teams fail to perform which Cork clearly did yesterday. Its about setting the bar high. And taking ownership. These are basic concepts of high performance by the way, none of which Cork displayed yesterday. Taking ownership of yesterdays sh*tshow would be a good place to start. It may even be the first step to winning next year and allow this team shake off their bottler tag.

Cork were also badly lacking leaders yesterday. To me its not a myth why they lost yesterday.

Officer999

I don’t blame the players and management. Back to back losing homecomings….no one wants that

sasol

Is response to @MisterAnarchy remark "Cork seem to be the most hated team in the country for some bizarre reason"

 

I don't think that there is anything bizarre about it. The levels of unwarranted arrogance coming out of Cork for the past 6/7 months was jaw dropping. 

 

Many Cork fans and media pundits are world champions at bigging themselves up and talking the talk, and at telling everyone else how great they are. 

 

Look at Anthony Nash on a Podcast last February blowing about this was Corks year, it was going to be a straight shootout in 2025 between Cork and Limerick. To quote Nash when speaking about Cork last January "Theyre just getting better and better and better".  Based on what, Anthony ?  Imagine how disrespectful that is to the Tipps, Kilkennys, Clares etc

 

Hoggie was on the papers proclaiming that "We have two players for every position, its perfect". I didn't hear a single player from another county come out with such self-serving nonsense. 

 

In April Eamon Sweeney had an article which headlined "Limerick are the only team that can stop Cork tide rising all the way to top". 

 

One week later Sweeney had another article which headlined "We should embrace overdue Cork All Ireland hurling win" 

 

Before anyone interjects that Sweeney is from Sligo. He is a Sligo man who has been working and living in Cork for 25 years. 

 

John Horgan wrote in April in advance of the Cork/Clare championship game "very few if any would be putting their hard earned bobs on Clare in next Sundays Munster SHC opener against Cork". Clare - reigning All Ireland champions having beaten Cork in their previous 5 championship encounters. The height of disrespect. 

 

Some female pundit on OffTheBall in the context of Cork and a hurling All Ireland said "Hurling needs it, the GAA needs it, Irish sport as a whole needs it"

 

Seanie McGrath only two weeks ago had an article headlined "The GAA owe a serious debt of gratitude to the Cork hurlers". 

 

Look up SuperDanCasey on social media. This is a guy who is supposedly a lead presenter on The Big Red Bench on RedFM - one of the main sports shows in Cork. This guy epitomizes why Cork GAA teams are universally disliked by other counties. Frankly, the stuff he comes out with, is disgusting. 

Guys getting tattoos proclaiming Cork as all Ireland champions before a ball was thrown in.

 

The whole country has been listening to self-serving arrogant nonsense from Cork for the past few years. Cork supporters and media bigging Cork hurling up, ramming it down everyone’s throats telling us how great ye are. That’s why Cork are disliked by many. No other county engages in this sort of stuff. 

 

And all of this flies in the face of the personality that is Pat Ryan. The poor fella must grimace at the rubbish  the local media and supporters come out with. Pat comes across as a down to earth, humble, and modest gentleman. A lot of others in Cork could take a leaf out of his book.

The_Cobra

Win or lose as long as they left it all on the field we could ask of them no more..

But amateur or not what was witnessed in that 2nd half is completely unacceptable at any level of sport and i refuse to sugar coat it and spare there feelings - That was completely embarrassing and i hope heads will roll for this…

Sunny Disposition

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656561#Comment_123656561

There is no doubt the hype around Cork this year was way over the top, especially given that they had been walloped by Limerick and drew with Clare who only won two games all year. In fairness I don't think the players could do anything about it, and Pat Ryan seemed to be trying to talk them down when he could.

But it certainly made the county very unpopular with neutrals. Tipp used to be seen as the home of arrogance rather than the home of hurling, for many people Cork is the real capital of arrogance now.

High bike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656371#Comment_123656371

Sweet lamb of jesus there has been some sh1t spouted here over the last couple of years but that post takes the biscuit.Tipp only scored 2-8 in 24 minutes ,Cork scored 2 points in 39 minutes ffs.If they had scored 5 points they would have been a goal behind with 10 minutes left ,are u for real .Theres another lad on there last week saying every time Cork were beaten it was because they underperformed,no it wasnt it was because they wer'nt good enough.God forbid ye might just give some bit of credit to the teams that beat ye and stop making excuses.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656561#Comment_123656561

Eamonn Sweeney is a hack, he hasnt a clue about sport, Id say he never kicked a ball or hit a ball in his life.

I cant believe that guy is still on the go, I stopped reading his articles 20 years ago, a complete bluffer.

The BigRedBench no proper sports person listens to that.

Do not listen to these Tiktok type influencer personalities, they arent proper journalists or sportspeople.They just want clicks.

Any knoweledgeable sportspeople in Cork, those who know the game and have played it were not speaking like this.

As I previously said, the team hasnt won an All Ireland final in 20 years, has been suspect mentally in the last few finals and generally has not played well in Croke Park over the last 2 decades.

No team just turns up expecting to win an All Ireland final, especially one that hasnt won one for 20 years.

Especially in GAA where a referee could decide a game as has happened so many times in the past.

People would have been hopeful that if Cork turned up and played well they would have too much for Tipperary and would win.

It was always going to be a tight game but Cork were still favourites to win.

No knowledgeable person thought Cork would blow Tipp away.

I says

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656636#Comment_123656636

Cork bottled it. AGAIN. Congrats to tipp they’d real men and leaders when they were wanted. Cork had no answer. At least Waterford had the bottle to face the fans after KK annihilated them.

ChippingSodbury

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656595#Comment_123656595

Ah would you go away FFS! I don't have much sympathy for Cork but I'm not going to rub players' noses in it and criticise their commitment or effort. There wasn't a player on either side that didn't make mistakes yesterday. There wasn't a player on either side that didn't make the wrong decision at times. What transpired in the 2nd half wasn't because they were lacking in motivation or skill. Nobody went out with the intention of playing poorly or not giving their all. The sacrifices that intercounty players make are immense, getting up at 6am for training, eating on a strict diet, curtailed socialising, three or four evenings per week tied up. What sacrifices did you make this year to deserve to call for heads to roll? Not having those extra two chocolate digestives? Or just the one more pint??

Get off the stage…

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656636#Comment_123656636

If they had scored 5 points they would have been a goal behind with 10 minutes left ,are u for real

Yes, they hit the upright twice, missed an easy free, had lots of poor wides.

If they had converted 4 of them they would have been a goal behind with 10 minutes to play.

The point I was trying to make is that Cork were awful in that second half. They scored 1-16 in the first half so if they scored even a third of that in the second they would still have been in the game.

Tipp played well but they were not outstanding.

You hate Cork, its clear as day from your posts.

sasol

“Any knoweledgeable sportspeople in Cork, those who know the game and have played it were not speaking like this.”

 

I have provided examples of what people like Patrick Horgan, Anthony Nash and Seanie McGrath have been saying, as well as an OffTheBall ex intercounty camogie player. 

 

If you do not accept that these are ‘knowledgeable sportspeople’ then that is what is truly bizarre.  

 

See, what you are doing is just ignoring and diminishing what is been said down leeside by many knowledgeable sportspeople, and this is the thing (whether you like it or not) that causes other counties to dislike Cork. 

 

Cork people, whether knowledgeable on GAA or not, should be humble, gracious and respectful. A lot of these pundits and many supporters are the opposite. 

 

Don’t get me wrong, Cork has many fantastic supporters but there is a noisy minority that are painting everyone in a bad light

High bike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656720#Comment_123656720

Is that the best u can come up with,and u wonder why the majority of the country hate ye

HurlingBoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656541#Comment_123656541

That's not the point. They should come out and thank the fans and likewise the fans should come out and thank the players for their efforts this year. Psychologically also I think it would be better for the team. I'm sure there still would be good crowd and the team might feel somewhat better about yesterday's match.

another36

Apart from the pundits, media and general hype - the nonsense chants before matches to tell the opposition supporters to F##k off home doesn't belong in GAA matches

The_Cobra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656693#Comment_123656693

You call that 2nd half playing??? Are you taking the piss???

I will rub there noses in it as they deserve it same as I gave them plaudits I will also tear into them for that shambles of a half - I support my county thru thick and thin and am at every game but i won't defend the indefensible at least try ffs it doesn't matter win or lose but try - Not very hard is it but for this bunch it seems to be…

Seadin

Right Cork need to do something drastically different going forward. What's needed is first off new ruthless management and tactical team. Need to try new goalie, the two downeys arent good enough in the spine of the back line. SOD is not good enough or so isn't Niall O Leary, both taken to the cleaners in three All Irelands finals now. Mid Field isn't what we thought it is. Fitz and O mahony don't motor well together when the pressure comes on. Dalton anonymous and inside forward line anonymous for another All Ireland final. Something needs to change there. The lads like Hoggie, Lehane cahalane and Harnedy need to go now too. Great servants but failed. They had numerous chances to win All Ireland and haved failed. Shane Kingston doesnt have the bottle for battle either it seems. All just need to be moved on ands start with the u20 winning teams. We must do it now, only way things might change.

Stationmaster

Was there many at the homecoming last year?

Straight Talker

We should have if we were any good went out in that second half, and put a couple of points on the board straight away. That would have forced Tipp to play a more open game and abandon their sweeper system. I thought being six points up at half time after not playing particularly well would've been our platform for a massive second half performance.

Alas i was wrong! They try their best etc but i do question at times do the current generation of Cork hurlers and footballers have the same passion for the cause as some of their more illustrious predecessors. In the hurlers case two points in the second half of an all Ireland final would suggest that the answer to that question is no!

Straight Talker

I have no issues with the homecoming being cancelled. The reality is mostly no one in Cork is in the mood for it. I also agree to an extent about some of the points about Hoggie.

Certainly i'd have the likes of Joe Deane, Ben O'Connor and Brian Corcoran ahead of him, but he's carried a lot of mediocre enough Cork teams on his back over the years, and he was very unlucky not to score the winning point in that drawn 2013 all Ireland final. The man is still a Leeside and Cork hurling legend for me.

xl500

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655445#Comment_123655445

Im afraid Cork fell into the complacency trap believed all their own press how anyone thought Tipp would be easily beaten must have had blinkers on for the previous matches Tipp played they always had a great chance and Liam Cahills Tactics were perfect nullified the Cork Goal Threat almost perfectly nearly got to half time without a Cork Goal and as for Horgan his behaviour after the Cork Goal was disgraceful and for that alone he deserved to lose yesterday

Straight Talker

@sasol The local media in any county will be biased. Cork folk are an optimistic and confident bunch at the best of times, and as bad as yesterday was we'll probably just like supporters of the England football team think that this will finally be our year once again when 2026 rolls around!

If Pat Ryan and the management team were a bit more tactically astute yesterday, then whatever people were saying before the game wouldn't have made one iota of a difference. Although i agree that there probably has been a Dublin football in the noughties like all fart and no **** attitude from and about Cork hurling for way too long.

tobefrank321

The reason Limerick in hurling and Dublin in football became so dominant is that they had years of hurt before that and went through hell to make sure it didn't happen again. That needs to happen with Cork. Embrace the hurt, come back stronger. There's obviously lessons to be learned. Not sure Cork were playing with a sweeper yesterday but everytime the ball was played in high towards the Cork goalmouth you felt something bad was coming and a Tipp player seemed to be first to every break.

namloc1980

The image of Liam Sheedy walking down the sideline cheering with 5 minutes to go should be burned into every Cork players memory to never let that happen again and come out and win next year. But I just don't know do we have the desire and hunger of Cork teams of yesteryear.

Every Cork player should have been running through walls in the 2nd half yesterday to finally end the long wait. But there was no real hunger and that's the most worrying thing.

gifted

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123657255#Comment_123657255

It should come as no surprise to see Sheehy cheering..…dogs on the street know that Tipp people don't have a healthy respect for cotk people...they have a hatred for Cork people...I was going out with a Tipp woman for a couple of years...jesus the people up there hated us corkonians.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123657268#Comment_123657268

They genuinely do. Every county seems to hate us now from reading comments on threads here and social media and are also having a great laugh. The Cork team needs to enbrace that and come back stronger.

vetinari

When we have a collapse as big as that, it's normal for people to pile on.

Tbh, I don't give a **** what other people from different counties think.

The performance yesterday in the second half was an absolute disgrace.

This Cork team as currently constituted is done for.

We'd be better off with a new panel of players next year.

There's no recovering from that performance.

Straight Talker

I understand that Cork had no divine right to win yesterday and defeat is part and parcel of sport. You support them through the highs and the lows etc.

Nonetheless two points in an entire half of hurling after being in such an ideal position at half time is a total and utter disgrace. If that happened to the neighbours in Kerry or in Kilkenny people would be out looking for blood!

We need to let the players and management grieve for now as such, but some hard calls will need to be made a bit further down the line. Pat Ryan's three year tenure as manager is also up as well.

thefa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123657276#Comment_123657276

Wouldn’t take too much notice lad. The net gets a disproportionate amount of the extremes.

Or maybe the Tipp fans I got chatting to yesterday were just amazing at hiding the hatred!

thefa

Said it on here during the week that I felt 2/3rds of the team weren’t on it in last year’s final and hopefully that will fuel them this year. It was actually worse because there was a few terrible performances added in.

I’m not bothered singling out the obvious individual mistakes and there were warning signs of them coming too. Lots of people mentioning the lack of tactical flexibility. Even more obvious was the overall execution and decision making that was just so poor at times. The amount of soft turnovers was unreal. Never seen so much ball pucked somewhere with no one nearby and short passes missing target. That happened numerous times in the first half even before things went properly pear shaped.

I was more and more confident as the week progressed. GAA is odd like you just need to peak at the right time. Ideally have the opposition go in as favourites to fuel your team like say the limerick semi last year. Cork were deserving favourites this year despite what the captain hindsights will say. Tough semi final last year meant nothing and much easier one this year didn’t help either.

Outperformed by a hungrier team both days which is a bitter pill for a team with plenty to prove. I think it’s when the tide is going against the team, you need at least a handful of lads to step up and show the leadership needed in vital moments to steady the ship. Sometimes it feels like we have a team of fancy dans.

Been lucky enough to be to a good few all irelands and the vast majority were losses but the only performance that was anywhere near as bad was Kerry in 2007. We weren’t even favourites that day at least. It’s rarely easy watching cork in big games. Even with the best team in the country in 2010, we stumbled past Down in the final.

I love the county and sport is such a big part of the pride so it’s a blow to lose like that. It’s never easy anyways but we’ll be back.

namloc1980

Hindsight is what it is, but the signs were there all year. Collapses against Clare and Limerick in Munster foreshadowed what happened yesterday. Just yesterday was on a scale of it's own.

The 2021 loss to Limerick was put down to running into a great team but we just capitulated that day too. Of the 5 All-Ireland finals Limerick won by far the biggest margin was the win over Cork in 2021.

We've conceded 3-32, 3-29 and 3-27 in the last 3 All-Ireland finals. Remarkable consistency in a way but you ain't winning a thing conceding scores at that rate.