Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Seadin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655673#Comment_123655673

Yes for being an absolute idiot.

namloc1980

Not surprisingly the players and management have requested no homecoming tonight. It would've been very grim.

Seadin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655891#Comment_123655891

We as fans feel crap about yesterday's malfunction. Can you imagine what the players and all those involved are feeling today?

leahyl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655891#Comment_123655891

Omg it would be absolutely awful.

lukin

No homecoming event for the team, just announced. The right call IMO.

siyo

Poor enough imo. Can't hide from yesterday, need to front up now. A lot of people have spent a lot of money following this team all year, I think the least the squad could do is show their appreciation, get a few pics taken and a few autographs for the kids.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655982#Comment_123655982

Wouldn't agree. Not after the manner of the capitulation yesterday. It would've been a poor turnout anyway. And literally nobody would want to be there, supporters and players alike. The best way to show appreciation is to bring back Liam next time.

DellyBelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655793#Comment_123655793

I think the word legend is thrown around a lot these days..Hoggie is a great player and has had great longevity but when push comes to shove he doesn't produce on the biggest day..All Ireland final day. I would not put him in the class of JBM, Ring, Sean Og etc but a great servant to the county...think he needs to go now though

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655466#Comment_123655466

A few points if I may:

Cork had no game for 3 weeks before playing Limerick in the round robin, they looked overtrained and rusty that day. After winning the Munster final they had 1 game in 6 weeks, which was over by half time. Tipp played 3 matches in the same 6 weeks period, Laois, Galway and Kilkenny.

Would Cork have been better off losing the Munster final narrowly to Limerick, possibly.

What did Pat Ryan say to the Cork players at half time yesterday ?

What would the like sof Cody or Alex Ferguson have said if his team had played so poorly in a first half, you can be sure the hairdryer would have bene out and their heads would have been chewed off. I have great respect for Ryan but his body language was awful from the off yesterday, he looked extremely nervous.

A manager needs to be confident and look assured.

A Cork player should have gone down early in the secong half with cramp or an injury to get a break in the play and allow the management to speak with the players and rejig things, this was extremely naive by Cork.

Cork seem to be the most hated team in the country for some bizarre reason.

Their supporters are well behaved, the team are clean and do not engage in the dark arts or playing on the edge like other teams, and they have not won an All Ireland for 20 years.

This begrudgery strikes me as the Irish version of ABU's.

Grassy Knoll

What is the old Tipp saying – the hay saved and Cork bet !!

I watched as a neutral - poor enough first half, but like the consensus, I felt Cork were going to power on in the second. It looked to me Cork were picking off their scores more easily with a wasteful Tipp just about hanging in there. Generally mediocre enough display for an AI final, but emerging signs of Cork spluttering into life.

Then it happened …. clearly Tipp came out to stamp their authority on proceedings early doors and the Cork men … had… literally … nothing. Whether it was they had not been tested in the championship and physically couldn’t live with Tipp, or mentally lost it. Perhaps a bit of both. Everything that could have gone wrong for Cork happened – early goal, converted Tipp penalty, full back red carded, a brace of Cork shots came back off the bar, Corks penalty saved, to rub salt into it the Tipp keeper then scored – you literally couldn’t make it up !! Young Tipp players who could have been over awed by the occasion rose to it with aplomb. On the field where were the Cork leaders - if there are any – eg Horgan ??? – near the end it was like a practice match the ease with which Tipp could hurl.

Throw in the reaction from the Cork line – should the yellow carded full back have been replaced? Persisting with long ball in on Tipp where it was like Christmas for them. They were powerless by the end to do anything to remedy the utter annihilation they were witnessing.

This was a complete and utter systemic failure by Cork, total humiliation for a group who did not deserve it. A senior club team would have put more than two points on the board in the second half !! This period will no exaggeration be spoken about for years - ‘to do a Cork’ or some such phrase will emerge. I think Cork are not as bad as they showed nor equally is Tipp as good as the display they gave, but fair dues to them they played what was in front of them. However as ever mentality and attitude win games – Cork has the skill, physical conditioning, tradition etc but were lacking in the top few inches. I do wonder if they have the wherewithal to overcome this – other counties will have seen yesterday and feel they at least could have made a game of it.

The beauty of this is the magic of sport where an ‘underdog’ can come in and up-end everything !!

Seadin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656050#Comment_123656050

That's a good point about Hoggie. I think I read somewhere that in 5 All Ireland Finals he has scored a total of 9 points. Thats a very poor return for a forward that is meant to be one of Corks most talented players of all time .

tobefrank321

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655982#Comment_123655982

I'm not from Cork but agree. Even Mayo took their beatings including some bad ones in the 2000s like men. Hiding from the fans, even angry fans is not a good look. An apology also would be a good start.

ChippingSodbury

Coming out of the grounds yesterday, I heard one cracker of a comment. I was walking past a lad who was begging and had a sign up "Please help etc…". A Cork lad in front of me mumbled "Jaysus lad, we need the help more than you…"

On the game, I thought the penalty was a little harsh: McGrath was going to ground once there was any contact but I don't think Downey pulled him or pushed him to the ground. On a more general note (and this may not be a popular opinion), the Cork FB line + Rob Downey do an awful lot of pulling dragging. It doesn't seem to matter in Munster because the Refs "have to let the game flow", ALL of the teams in Munster are pulling/ dragging when defending. I thought it was particularly evident in Munster final from Cork and to a slightly lesser extent from Limerick but you play to what the Ref allows. I thought the Ref did a good job yesterday, there were a few calls I didn't agree with but who's to say I'm right all the time! I can't see why Munster games can't be reffed like that: the 1st five minutes of a game are where the Ref lays out his stall as to what's acceptable and what's not. I'd rather watch hurling than wrestling, games can be just as exciting and physical when reffed according to the rules.

Goalie is a lonely position and I'm slow to comment on Patrick Collins: he made a mistake stopping the point that he batted out for a goal but every player makes mistakes except a goalie's are usually highlighted and I really feel sorry for him today. Having said that, I watched him in the two warm-ups against Limerick in Munster and he didn't catch a single ball, everything was controlled on the hurley before putting it in the hand. That's a habit and should have been picked up by goalie coach: he should've been trying to catch that shot and if it was too high, just let it off.

Exiled1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655793#Comment_123655793

I've watched Cork hurling since the mid sixties. I acknowledge it's a rather diffrerent game today. However, great men of yesteryear would be great men today.

With respect to Hoggie, he has been a very good free-taker, and a very good player and looked better for having played on many poor teams at county and club level.

He wouldn't figure near my top ten most effective Cork forwards since 1970. JBM, Ray Cummins, Gerald McCarthy, Charlie McCarthy, Tomás Mulcahy, Joe Deane, John Fitzgibbon, Kevin Hennessy, Sean O'Leary, Brian Corcoran.

ledwithhedwith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656122#Comment_123656122

Why didnt they deserve it?

almostover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655995#Comment_123655995

Agree with this fully, a homecoming now would be like a public flogging for the players. Anyone there would just be talking about what went wrong, how could this happen etc. Best thing for the players now is to go back to their clubs and begin the rebuild from there.

almostover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656050#Comment_123656050

9pts from play in 5 finals is his return. No doubt a top player but his legacy is tarnished by his performances on the biggest day of all. A pity, but that's sport.

gifted

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655982#Comment_123655982

Agree......lot of people will quickly give up on these players. Need to come out and apologise to the Cork supporters for their awful performance.

It wasn't cheap going to the match yesterday, I brought my daughter and then to watch the Cork players perform like that, especially against Tipp was not acceptable.

almostover

Good post other than the comment about being better off losing to Limerick in the Munster final. We hadn't won Munster in 7 years and this team was hammered by Limerick only a few weeks before that. They needed that win big time. It had zero bearing on the 2nd half performance yesterday. Same with the Dublin SF, we beat what was in front of us. Once the game is over, it's over. It should have no bearing on the next game. Remember how we trounced Wexford in the 04 SF and went onto beat a Kilkenny team going for a 3 in a row in the final. The great teams do that.

That kind of attitude needs to be rooted out at all levels of Cork GAA. The goal should be to win every competition we're in, the league, the Munster and the AI. We fell at the final hurdle yesterday. But that's the standard we should be striving for, win them all every year. You won't always do it, but it should always be the goal.

flasher0030

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656188#Comment_123656188

Bizarre comment. An apology ?? These are amateur sportsmen, not getting paid a wage for the sacrifices and dedication that they have put in. To represent their county and try to bring the big prize home. The amount of time they have spent away from their families and lead a very restricted social life. And you feel they owe an apology for, which is in reality just a game, a hobby. And some other ejit was on about the amount of money spent on following the team around. Next year, the likes of them should just stay at home, and save their money. A team is better off without the likes of that attitude from so-called "fans".

realdanbreen

A lot of deserved criticism of corks performance yesterday but also a lot of unfair and unwarranted comment. The bottom line is Tipp were outstanding in that second half . People questioning corks bottle, heart, commitment etc need to cop on and lay off . These so called supporters would run a mile from putting in the amount of sacrifice and dedication that their squad and management have put in.

ledwithhedwith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656329#Comment_123656329

Ah now! 2 points in the second half and you dont think its fair to criticise their bottle? It was the biggest choke ive seen in GAA. Commitment and heart is a different story id agree, thats unfair.

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656329#Comment_123656329

Tipp were not outstanding in the second half, they only scored 2-8 in 24 minutes, and 1-2 of that was gifted to them.

So they created 1-6 in 24 minutes.

They had alot of bad wides too.

Cork were simply awful, even if they had taken half of their chances they would have kept the scoreboard ticking over.

Even if they only scored 5 points in 24 minutes they would have only been a goal behind entering the last 10 minutes.

They completely lost their heads, both tactically and spirit wise.

siyo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656273#Comment_123656273

Ah jaysus I don't think they need to apologise to anyone. They didn't murder anyone.

I just think ya have to front upto these things. Get in among your own people. The players will be hurting big time, let them see the support they have from the cork public when they need it most.

Look I might be wrong and someone will probably point to a few other teams not having homecomings after final defeats but I just think it's not the thing to do. The perception of this cork team is they lack a bit of steel or character and this does nothing to change that. It looks from the outside that they are hiding away.

Glenomra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656334#Comment_123656334

Totally disrespectful to their wonderful supporters not having a gathering this evening. Cork are munster and league champions. This was an opportunity to thank their supporters and promise to learn from yesterday's defeat. The cancellation is a gesture of surrender imo.

ledwithhedwith

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656379#Comment_123656379

Ah id only see it that way if they got paid. They dont , they play their match's like they are meant to and they've won a lot of games for the supporters. Nobody is forcing supporters to show up.if they wanna give up on the team after yesterday they are fully entitled.

Grassy Knoll

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656238#Comment_123656238

I'm not the spokesman for the Cork team but no bunch of amateurs deserved that level of public humiliation in a final on that scale. This is not a team without the technical capability to perform, compete or win the title, but a systemic collapse occurred which will be the subject of performance case studies for years to come. Also they seem to me to be a humble enough group (more so after yesterday) as is their manager. Indeed the hallmark of most elite sports people now is self awareness, humility, and a healthy pinch of self doubt which drives self improvement and performance.

Supporters I will put in a different category and some can descend into arrogance etc maybe for their hubris some had it coming …

jamesbond2022

Loads of teams have been bet in a few finals in a row and been beaten and I’ve never seen a homecoming cancelled i think it’s a bit disrespectful to the loyal fans who would want to come out and show there thanks and support for the group and there efforts

Mayo footballers

Galway footballers

Kilkenny hurlers and camogie team

Have all lost multiple finals recently and have never cancelled homecomings

HurlingBoy

Certainly should have a homecoming. This team won the league and Munster Final. The real fans would be there I'm sure.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123656523#Comment_123656523

Not really relevant after yesterday. The players don't want it so should respect that.