The case against average speed cameras

Would it just be a lot easier to put in place on long stretches of road? Too many people taking different exits off of roads to put in place in majority of alternatives to motorways?

If you're using cameras on motorways, then use them first to go after middle lane hoggers on the M50 and right lane hoggers on all 2 lane motorways. Use them along with a short, but intense public education project on it.

€1.3 billion spent upgrading the M50 a few years back and middle lane drivers have it ruined.

Easier for sure and a great revenue generator, although we all know it's never about money.

The reality is that many drivers (and I'm specifically meaning the 'nutcases' that the OP refers to..') that would slow down on the motorway stretches would be right back up to high throttle once they got off them and now with an increased vigour to make up for the time lost.

However, I really don't see the great difficulty on putting them on most major roads 80 \ 100 zones. I'm not suggesting every road in the country. Workable examples could be Killarney to Kenmare, Donegal to Letterkenny, Dublin City to Palmerstown etc. A camera reads your plate leaving Killarney for example and reads it again in Kenmare. You can turn off or take whatever shortcuts you want but if you arrive earlier than the maps say is possible then you get fined. The cost of implementation would quickly be paid back in fines IMO and the accident rate would plummet as should car insurance. Further fines would pay for more cameras and so forth.

However, that's my argument as to why motorways should not be the target and if the PTB want to solve a problem they should look elsewhere. Could it be a step too far also as regards a 1984ish approach against privacy ? I tend to believe it would be.

In that Donegal example, and it's just an example of a random stretch of road, you'll catch anyone doing more than the speed limits, unless everyone drives that stretch at or below the limit and I suspect that's not the case. I'd still say the cameras would pay for themselves in multiple such locations.

On the Dublin City to Palmerstown route, which I often use so can speak with some experience, I'd make an educated guess that 25% to 50% of all drivers are speeding at some point, unless it's rush hour naturally. That's on a 9km route.

I don't know the stretch from Dublin City to Palmerstown but if so many drivers are exceeding the speed limit on it (up to 50%) is there a chance that the speed limit is set too low and need to be changed?

Yes you are one.

You should always drive in the left most lane unless you are overtaking someone.

The criteria for staying in the middle or 3rd lane should be the same as if you were overtaking on a single lane carriageway, i.e. you wouldnt stay on the wrong side of the road for 60s to overtake a car ahead, so dont do it on the motorway either. Pull back in and overtake when needed.

There's an average speed camera in place near Birdhill on the motorway, I think it's on some kind of trial to see how it works

I drive 150km/he on motorway and if they had average drive zones I would stop at the end for a few mins along with all the other speeders much like they do in the Asian countries.

The widespread speeding in the port tunnel stopped the day the average speed cameras were turned on.

On the hard shoulder. That's what they do in asian countries where average speed zones are prevalent. They bomb it then stop at the exit trap to lower the average before proceeding.

This is such strange carry on 😂 why are they speeding if it’s not to get somewhere faster?

Not a trial. It's there 3/4 years and fully operational.

Why is this a problem for you?