The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Enough of this nonsense , you are a wind up merchant , as countless of posters have said , time to shut this sham of a thread down for once and for all .

and then you go and prove my point….

still we see some progress in your reply. You’ve conceded that you agree with my point that indeed Kerry aren’t winning just because “they’re good” : this is real progress, in a decade or two we might even get you to meaningfully consider how we address the unfair advantages Kerry have enjoyed for so long.

The evidence is irrefutable- there was an effective monopoly in Munster for many decades before any Dublin funding was a topic. Indeed, with one of the longest sponsorships in the GAA, married to the odd Adidas “donation”, Kerry ran financial rings around everyone long before Dublin funding was a topic. Removing or hobbling Dublin from the mix would simply return us to those days, as well as depriving us of the high quality football Dublin pioneered, and yet that’s the only change you’re willing to commit to. I wonder why……

It's not a "gotcha"- you have acknowledged repeatedly that there are certain circumstances in which you think Dublin should be split. I welcome this. You have also acknowledged that there are even circumstances in which you think Dublin should be split straight away- you probably regret saying this now, but you have said it repeatedly also. I welcome this too.

Competitiveness is directly impacted by Dublin competing from an unfairly advantaged position- take a look at Leinster for the catastrophe that can result. Yes, Dublin have underperformed despite their unfair advantages in the last few years but nothing fundamental has changed- the population, funding, home pitch advantage all continue to exist. Not winning every year doesn't mean Dublin aren't unfairly advantaged. I have acknowledged that Dublin had some great players. I didn't like the dour, negative style of play they introduced and perfected but few supporters of the GAA did. It's hard to disentangle their success from the unfair advantages too- even the fact they played all the finals in their home stadium makes it hard to rate things. Never mind when you take in the population and funding too. I've no issue with Dublin, if they won fairly I'd be the first person to congratulate them, but this didn't happen (and can't given how stacked things are in their favour).

That's not how the draft works btw, it's done annually. Whereas my proposal deals with the inputs and addresses the unfairness in these. Reluctantly, I've concluded that this means Dublin alone should be split.

Ok , on it goes , I want Kerry split for over 100 years of unfair advantages , the Kerry split will help all Counties in the GAA , and likewise if you are to partisan to accept this well guess what that's also on you .All your comments have been repeated and recycled over and over again , there is nothing new being added but as above , on it goes .

I've accepted that Dublin aren't winning because they're just good. And that Dublin alone compete off a platform of unfair advantages. And that Dublin alone should be split to rectify these unfair advantages for the good of the game, and to help the GAA in all counties. That's not really a "concession" though as it was always my position!

If you want to talk about funding, I'm happy to talk about funding! Unfortunately for you, we once again see that Dublin alone have been uniquely unfairly advantaged. From the Games Development funding. From the sponsorship funding. From the funding from the Irish government. So if we want to talk funding, and how to address it, then we have to conclude that Dublin alone should be split.

And if you want to talk about Provincials then I'm happy to talk about Provincials! And yes, you guessed it, Leinster is by far the worst Provincial Championship. There's no duopoly in the Province these days, Dublin have won every year since 2010. Interest and participation has declined massively as supporters and players tire of Dublin alone competing off of a platform of unfair advantages. So on the Provincials front, we again conclude that Dublin alone are uniquely advantaged and that Dublin alone should be split.

Kerry have competed from an unfair advantage for over 100 years, in spite of this unfair advantage Kerry have under performed since 2011 , however the unfair advantages still remain, they have some very talented footballers i admit but in trying to compete with the best team in the history of the GAA , they have played this dour horrid negative football and perfected it since 2011 , thankfully it has failed and Dublin playing an attractive attacking brand of football have shown the way with an incredible 6 in a row. Unfortunately this dour football has ruined our game and amazingly Kerry still dominate Munster and , its with a heavy heart i've concluded that Kerry alone should be split , to save Munster and the GAA.

Yes indeed this thread is going around circles , its done to death with nothing new being added

It's the same words being used over and over again , when this thread was closed , that poster we all know who it is tried to hijack another thread with the same,

It's all Dublin's fault nonsense , Dublin ruined the game with dour football ,Dublin ruined Leinster etc ,

It's crystal clear he is anti Dublin , really and truly it has gone on to long !! in this thread and in others !

Again, you're just looking at the outputs. Focus on the inputs. If you do, you'll see that Dublin, and Dublin alone compete off a unique combination of unfair advantages in population, funding, playing at home etc. This has become particularly relevant over the last 15-20 years as all of these advantages have become more pronounced. I don't really talk as much about Dublin's unfair advantages before this time, as though they undoubtedly existed, they aren't that relevant compared to since ~2005 (probably only grounds for a two-way split before then, whereas now far more drastic action is needed). So once again, if we want to improve the competitiveness of the game we should split Dublin, and Dublin only. But if we want to focus on dominance, lack of competitiveness in say Leinster, I'm happy to do it- again, the only conclusion we can draw is to split Dublin alone. This is the non-partisan view. These advantages don't exist for any other county, which is why I focus on Dublin. Periods of dominance are fine if done fairly (as in Kilkenny's case) but not when done unfairly, as in Dublin's case.

The honest truth is you don't want Dublin to be split because you support them. There is no deeper meaning to it than that. You're working backwards, desperately trying to find evidence that says Dublin shouldn't be split. Leaving aside the fact that splitting Dublin helps the GAA in Dublin, you need to work the other way. Take a neutral, unbiased look at the evidence, with no desired conclusion in mind, and it's obvious that Dublin are the ones unfairly advantaged, and that Dublin are the ones who should be split.

And you’ve agreed that Kerry are not winning just on the basis of being good. I guess slowly but surely you’re seeing the light. Inevitable I guess given the irrefutable evidence that been presented of Kerry’s unfair advantages.

You have lied repeatedly about Dublin inventing dour negative football. Your prejudice shines brightly.

I'm willing to accept is that Dublin alone are uniquely unfairly advantaged. They don't win purely on the basis that they're "just good", as you've falsely implied and argued. No other county has these advantages. But that's always been my position so not sure where this post is coming from.

Unfortunately for you, I'm right again. If a team dominates competing off of a fair platform, even for an extended period, then it's not an issue- nobody had an issue with Kilkenny's success from 2006-15 for instance. But if a team competes off of an unfair platform, as Dublin do, win or lose it is very harmful to the GAA. So my "objective" is to equalise fairness, by splitting Dublin (which you've also expressed yourself to be open to under certain circumstances which I commend you for), not anything else.

The Games Development funding was just one part of funding that exclusively benefited Dublin as you know. Doesn't account for sponsorship money, money off the Irish government. You've been unable to refute that by raising the standard of play, developing Dublin youth players at the expense of players in other counties, by reducing the opportunity cost of other spending, it absolutely helped the senior inter-county team. You just can't refute it because it's true. You've also yet to explain why you think Dublin underage players are more deserving than players around the country. I want to help the GAA in Dublin, that is an important objective for the GAA. But I don't want them to be helped exclusively, at the expense of every other county.

do ya reckon gaffer91 is a normal ish person in real life and this thread is his own sort of free therapy? It’s worrying levels of obsession. Think for mental health and safeguarding reasons the thread should probably be closed.

Wrong again , One County has these unfair advantages , a ridiculous 85 Munster and 38 All Ireland titles won from unfair advantages ,Kerry must be split ,there is no other way .