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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nowso


    hes rammed him from far away even after a wobble its 2 a ramming not a bump and run



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    If ,as is being reported, that Dillon was told to wreck Hamlin ,and right hooked the car , I can see harsh penalties .

    A line has been crossed, Logano wobbled is one of the worst excuses I have ever heard , he was rammed pure and simple..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


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    I never liked Dillon, especially not after the way he wrecked Almirola to win Daytona; but last night just made me hate him even more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,493 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He got the back of his car straight on, not the side of the back. Logano went sideways because he wobbled just before the bump.

    The Hamlin one, he definitely moved down but Hamlin went up too.

    There'll be nothing done about it. Did you see Larson go straight down the track into Buescher I think it was twice before the finish line? Nothing done about that.

    Neither Logano nor Hamlin are saints, they've done plenty of similar stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Logano did not wobble, he was rammed from a car 4 lengths behind.

    TBC Dillon was then told to wreck Hamlin

    Dillon right hooked Hamlin , it's compete BS to suggest that Hamlin moved up.

    Nascar have stated that the incident it being reviewed and penalties if any will be announced on Tuesday.

    I will be surprised , astounded , if Nascar do not act as it faces the question, is it a sport or entertainment?, that the DQ word and unsporting behaviour have been mentioned leads me to hope that Nascar will penalise Dillon , precedent for right hooking is suspension , for teams instructing unsporting behaviour, disqualification from the play offs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,493 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You need to go and watch it again. It's on the Nascar app and probably on the website. Hamlin definitely started to move up as he was passing Dillon.

    And Logano had a very slight wobble just before Dillon hit his bumper.

    And Logano and Hamlin have done these things many times too.

    I'll be shocked if anything happens.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nowso




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,493 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Hamlin is a hypocrite. He's wrecked cars a couple of times to get the win. I didn't hear him telling NASCAR to dq him after those.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nowso


    most of his incidents have been side to side get em loose give em a nudge , type incidents , not deliberately go straight through the bend take one out then turn inside a clip another



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,493 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    So you are saying it's fine to put them in the wall? It's okay to go up the track but not down? He's put at least two in the wall in the last two laps of races to get the win. Larson last year is one.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nowso


    im not saying its ok . i had backed Larrson that day i think , im saying that sunday was in a different level to that , and its gone a too far



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,493 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    If you wreck someone to get a win it's the same result. They should all be treated equally.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nowso




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,493 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    One might look worse than the other but the result is the same so the punishment should be the same.

    It's hypocritical to say that one guy wrecks a guy and it's not a problem but another guy wrecks people and it's different.

    Outside of doing it to go win a race there's been much worse done during races by Hamlin, Logano and many others and mostly without any punishment.

    So you've got guys wrecking others during races and others doing it to win races without punishment. Why should Dillon be treated any differently?

    And if you watch it again he hit the back of Logano straight on but Logano's car was clearly lose and he slid around. You can see the slight wobble from Logano right before he got bumped. He moved down the track then to try and block Hamlin but Hamlin had a half car lead and went up the track causing his spin. Obviously if Dillon hadn't moved down it wouldn't have happened but if Hamlin didn't move up it wouldn't have happened either. It's possible Dillon might have moved down further but that's not what happened.

    I think Hamlin started to move up when they were side by side with the intention of putting him in the wall but he went half a car past him and it cause him to spin.

    Dillon avoiding both of them is unbelievable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭Ohmeha


    I think Dillon should get a penalty but I think he will get away with it before NASCAR implements some tightening in the rule book to save face, too much destruction derby racing has been tolerated on the large tracks it was inevitable something so blatant as Dillon was going to happen on a short track



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Nascar have penalised Austin Dillon,keeps the win but the win does not count for the play offs

    A good decision by Nascar for the long term benefit of the sport



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nowso


    interesting move . if your already in and reck someone it dont matter



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nowso


    Logano fined 50k for his after race comments



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,493 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    So are they going to go back and do the same to Larson for going down the track twice to hit Buescher and steel the win?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    This has been a slam dunk since Sunday night ,

    Yes Nascar should have DQ'd Dlllon on the spot , but allowing for that error, once the SMT data was released on Monday there could be only one outcome.

    Ramming Logano was bad enough but following that up by right hooking Hamlin was a step too far and action, penalties, weee always going to be applied.

    RCR and Dillons altering commentary was unhelpful to their cause, and trying to push their spotter under the bus was deplorable.

    That Dillon wasn't also suspended is a let off , Nascar made the only decision that was compatible with Nascar as a sport

    .



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nowso


    banging is on a different level than deliberate wrecking of 2 cars



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,493 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    It's on a different level when you do it once but when you come further down the second time and try and put him in the grass it's every bit as bad as what happened the other night.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nowso




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,493 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Hamlin is a hypocrite, it's okay if he does it but if somebody does it to him it's wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,900 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Motorsport.com have a good report on the damning data (their words) that shows Dillon intentionally wrecked Logano and Hamlin.

    Also provides a good explanation on why it was 'easier ' to disqualify Dillon from the playoffs.

    Michigan this weekend and the final playoff spots s are very tight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,493 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I'm fed up of this crap. There's nothing wrong with the hit on Logano. If this was Larson, Hamlin or any of the other big name drivers there wouldn't be such a big deal made of it. .

    And in this video they are giving out about it as well. I want you to look at the hits though. Firstly the Logano hit. Watch his car about a second before the hit and then watch the hit. There's no problem with it.

    Then look at what Hamlin does just before the hit. He moved up the track. He had as much responsibility for his spin as Dillon did.

    If you tell me you can't see that Hamlin moved up the track then you need glasses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    I think you need to look at this car telemetry visualisation. Dillon completely blew the corner, which is how he turned Logano.

    Now that by itself wouldn't have drawn any ire, but it's how he basically deliberately tried to go back to the racing line where the rest of the cars — including Hamlin — were racing, and causing a right hook crash, is what got him in hot water when you combine it with his spotter radio.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nowso


    if you look at the over head angle on this you see it clearer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,493 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I see it very clearly. Dillon does move down to try and avoid Logano.

    My opinion is that Hamlin moves up as he's expecting to be door to door with Dillon but Dillon is slowing down and Hamlin is half a car ahead of Dillon when the contact happens. If Hamlin didn't move up he wins the race.

    Just to clear that up it's my opinion on why Hamlin moves up, he definitely did move up.

    Dillon is a bit careless for sure but I've seen a lot worse go unpunished. It's always been the big names that it's happened to.

    Larson on a Buescher, Hamlin on Larson and vice-versa are ones that come to mind immediately. None of them got a penalty as harsh as this one.

    These big names get away with it.

    Look at Larson getting the waiver after the Coca-Cola 600. I was all in favour of it but by the rules he shouldn't have got it. Big name driver though so it's not a problem.

    Dillon should have got a fine and nothing more like those big names do.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nowso


    hamlin was still inside he had gone tight into the bend to was going to move up a bit

    the thing with hitting logano if he was trying to pass him he would not be right behind him.

    its not huge movements but you on a tight track where there is not a lot of options to run it different

    add the spotter shouting at him to wreck him etc . makes it look worse



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