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Is there any reason left not to go smart meter?

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    What you could do, is pretend that you are on a smart plan for a month and now with the date ranges compare the 2 costs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭curioustony


    In the app, you can create a usage load profile from your HDF data, then tweak it if you think you can change when you use electricity (herself will not). Then add hot water heating, EV or a battery and solar. It will simulate a year and show comparisons for the different scenarios.

    It's fun to see when I start to build credit for winter, but also good to see what happens if I buy another battery, or more panels, or do batch cooking at the weekend and charge a large EV battery on Sunday...

    On my to-do list is to add dumping to the grid schedule, as this is a real earner for those that can. Garden is looking better, but still a bit to do there before I submerge myself in android again.

    🌞7.225 kWp, azimuth 136°, slope 24°, 5kW, 🛢️10.9kWh, Roscommon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,686 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    I just discovered EneryPal this weekend thanks to PrimeTime. Really amazing site. Does anyone now if this can be used for commerial buildings?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭paulbok


    Have my smart meter install coming up this week, have put it off a few times but going ahead this time.

    Are there specific questions to ask the installer when they ring to confirm the appointment?

    Meter type needed to allow d/n rates?

    Will they upgrade the main supply fuse if I ask? Cost involved?

    Is it worth looking for an isolation switch for using solar / battery in a blackout? I believe these are expensive so may not be worth it, though we do get a lot of outages here over the course of a year.

    Anything else I should be looking out for?

    Haven't sussed out a new electric supply plan yet but I'm out of contract so can pick anyone.

    so far, leaning towards either a d/n plan from EI or a smart plan from BG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,444 ✭✭✭championc


    I expect these guys do, and only do, what is on the job sheet. It's a like for like replacement, unless you actually ORDER something.

    But do remember to replace your CT clamps, and put them the correct way around. Take a photo beforehand.



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    No change in fuse as that's a mic upgrade

    If you have a 24 hr meter it would be scheduled for a 24hr smart meter (rm107)

    If you have a DN, it's a rm108.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,270 ✭✭✭con747


    You will need a sparks to fit the change over switch and it depends on how much work is involved as to cost, mine was handy so only cost about €200 off my installer at the time but others have been charged up to a grand! I find mine invaluable because of the amount of power cuts I get, if the wind blows hard the power usually goes here. If you don't want to go on a smart plan make sure you only access the meter data on the ESBN portal because some utility companies have locked people into smart plans when they accessed the data on their platform and there is no going back when on a smart plan.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭paulbok




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Request from 24hr to DN usually is done through your supplier.

    You can always try!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,686 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    I am sure this question has been done to death but with the guidance of Energypal I want to switch to a smart meter tarrif but the provider told me we would stuck with it for life then. Is this true in all cases? What do ComReg say about this? Thanks all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,102 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Yes it has to be done through your supplier.

    The contractors seem to refer to the meters as single register (RM107/24hr) and dual register(RM108/Day Night).

    Yup, once on a smart tariff theres no going back. You can be on a smart meter and a legacy tariff. This is what I'm on, smart meter RM108 on a day night tariff MCC02. If you get switched to a smart tariff you'll be moved to MCC12 or MCC16 and there is no switching from these MCCs allowed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,444 ✭✭✭championc


    It would be interesting to see what Comreg might say if you went to change later, as the guy on RTE recently (who I think was representing the suppliers) appeared to indicate that you should be allowed switch back to a 24hr tariff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,102 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Networks have already confirmed this is not allowed. I believe their exact wording was along the lines of that a process doesnt even exist to allow it (now, having worked in the irish energy sector and dealt with networks extranet I know that to be false information but it shows they are not going to let it happen)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,686 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    I contacted ComReg. They referred me to the Commission of Regulation of Utilities. They said that its not possible generally, but it might be if you issued a complaint and would require a new meter being installed which bewildered me as I dont want a new meter. I am happy with smart meter. I will contact ESB networks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,686 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    I spoke to ESB networks today and they insisted it has nothing to do with them and it is done to the billing companies. Will call my billing company again and tell them this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,102 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    That is correct. The process for MCC change is that the customer contacts their shipper/supply company and that supply company sends a message to networks via their CRM integration. The customer cannot contact networks directly. Any automated request sent for a change from MCC12 or MCC16 (the smart tariff codes, "TOS" tariffs) through this process will be rejected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭Delta2113


    This is from Australia but well worth a watch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    I was made aware that a smart meter was installed some time ago, not really understanding what it meant. I tried to access my "real-time" usage information but it never worked. Then I went searching and stumbled across these smart meter plans!

    I'm currently paying 0.3287c per kWh for electricity and 0.11014c per kWh for gas. Is there any reason not to switch to a smart dual plan? The prices I'm seeing from SSE Airtricity appear significantly better than what I'm paying at the moment!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,270 ✭✭✭con747


    There's a thread for it here. https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058235650/switching-electric-gas-providers-see-first-post-for-links#latest

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Sign up the the esb networks account, you can then download your HDF, then you can compare on energypal.ie



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    I was already registered on ESB Networks and there are no clear instructions on their website on how to download the file! Under "My Energy Consumption" there is a downloads tab but it just says "There are no downloadable files associated with this MPRN.". Is that where it should be?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Is there anything under the charts section, or even meter reads at the bottom?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Oh I see it says the following:

    Your data is not yet available.

    We are currently working on making electricity usage data available for all customers who have a smart meter installed. Unfortunately, your data is not yet available, so please check your account again in a couple of weeks. We thank you for your patience and understanding while we roll this capability out.

    I had a meter installed in October of last year so how could it not be working yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭Gooser14


    It's possible that your meter hasn't got a good enough signal to communicate with ESBN Networks. Have you checked the signal strength symbol on the meter? My meter has a signal strength of 2 bars & communicates successfully with ESBN.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Unfortunately I'm in an apartment block and have no control over my meter. Can only be accessed by the ESB or building maintenance!

    It's in a basement so you could be right that there's no signal. Would this have any impact on my ability to get a Smart Meter plan?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Then are you sure you have a smart meter?

    Is there any meter reads on the ESBN website, down the very bottom.

    Screenshot_20240808-130649.png

    That's from when my DN was switched to a smart DN



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Yes most certainly. I received an email confirmation back in October. You can see the details of my past readings below and when it notes that the meter was installed back in August, but I guess they only notified me in October.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,438 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Okay so ESB have confirmed that there is a connectivity issue with my smart meter. Do I have any recourse on this or am I just stuck with never being able to access my smart meter data?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    You may be able to move to a "mcc16" plan, it's day/night/peak with manual reads,

    But I think you'll not have access to the SM data if it can't report.



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,016 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Ive bit the bullet, started the process to switch to energia, and to activate the smart meter.

    Running my own numbers, to match the current cheapest DN rate, if I stay under 2000 day units (my norm is under 50/year) it's better to be on the energia EV.



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