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Kerry GAA discussion thread #2

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  • Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Forge83


    Ya I couldn’t figure that out either. Tyrone player picked the ball off the ground and the whistle blew. I assumed he wasn’t playing advantage and giving us a free in…..



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,463 ✭✭✭dobman88


    Foul relates to this rule: 4.35 To go outside the boundary lines to gain an advantage.

    Gavin White continued his run after the pass and continued out over the line. He then played the ball after a little goal mouth scramble which is why it was a free to Tyrone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,262 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Hard to know where we stand after the league. Ww have found a few players, but disappointed in a few more.

    Joe O'Connor improving with every game, Cillian Burke is a real find. Armin Heinrich played well today and Sean O Brien played well.

    Darragh Roche was disappointing, looking back Jack should have held on to Donal Downes. O'Bealoigh did not impress either

    Looking at a championship team

    Ryan

    Graham

    Foley ( if back from injury)

    Dylan Casey?

    Tom O'Sullivian

    Morley

    White

    Diarmuid O'Connor

    Joe O'Connor

    Adrian Spillane

    Paudie Clifford

    Cillian Burke

    David Clifford

    Sean O Shea

    Dara Moynihan

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭Piskin


    Cillian Burke. D Geaney, S O Brien, Joe o Connor & Heinrich are the bright sparks from this league campaign. Joe O' Connor gets about more than J Barry did, has an eye for a score as well, one thing missing from the midfield for years. C Burke will be a key favor in the Championship. D Geaney has a good kick pass and has composure in his kicking. B O' B I think needs to be dropped to the bench at this stage. Prefer to see Barry Dan ahead of Moynihan. A Spillane to start as well. G White again today is at fault for a goal that could have proved costly again. Shane Ryan still has a bad mistake in him and needs to stop with his forays up the pitch. Jack o' Connor and his management team I still have doubts about, why bring on the Cliffords today? It actually upset the rhythm we had going with the new lads on the pitch. I really hope Paddy Tally is back for the Championship as he is badly needed. K Spillane is our 2nd best scoring forward and should be used more. Also have a feeling Cork may cause an upset in munster this year. In truth we are dire to watch and the link up with our forwards is poor. I don't see any new tactics from Jack and that is the main worry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭Piskin


    Also Donal Downes should be in that squad!!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    Didint see game yesterday Just saw Galway goal there now........ Gavin White again... Jesus.. someone needs to have a word with him



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,442 ✭✭✭wonga77


    Tbf to White i don't think that kick out was on at all, not when the conditions were as greasy and slippy as they were.

    He did give it away cheap enough 2 or 3 times in the first half though



  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭Piskin


    It is a major worry with White being turned over time & time again. In todays game one mistake will be pounced on and capitalized on. Is there better than White in the panel?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    then why did he make himself available for the kick out?



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,262 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Player are continually making themselves available. It's the goalie decision wheather the kickout is on or not. When I saw it going to him I taught that it was a bad decision.

    Ryan has a habit of kicking out scuttery short kickouts. At time he definitely should put more pace on the ball and keep it off the ground. Players are constantly having to bend to pick up a ball skidding along the ground.

    Ya GW should have done a bit better but it's Ryan making the call wheather the KO is on or not

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,442 ✭✭✭wonga77


    Of course he has to make himself available? Its every players job to show for a ball, creating space, making decoy runs etc. Watch any good forward off the ball, they might make 3 or 4 hard runs before a ball is even kicked in their direction.

    I agree with Bass, White should have probably done better but I don't think Ryan took the right option in taking it on, a kick like that has to be nailed 100% into the chest, anything less and the defender is in trouble, especially when its wet and slippy out.

    Attempting anything like that against a team as clinical as the Dubs would be insanity



  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭Piskin


    He is making these mistakes too often. His book has been marked by other teams as Dublin waited for him to screw up in the Final. He sailed too close to the wind with his hand passing and got away with it up till the Dublin game. It turned the game again last Sunday against Galway. His speed is becoming a liability and needs more composure in his game. S Ryan has this lapse of concentration too much now in games, also he is far too slow with kickouts. B O Begley is the best for making himself available for the kick out. I may get lambasted for this but D O' Connor is an average midfielder and goes missing far too much in big games, doesn't make himself available for kick outs enough either. Sort out our kick outs and this team will improve 30%.



  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭highball14


    I’d make a good few changes to that

    Ryan

    Tom

    Foley

    Graham

    Beaglaoich

    Morley

    White

    Diarmuid

    Barry Dan

    Joe O’Connor

    Seanie

    Burke

    Paudie

    David

    Killian Spillane



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  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭Piskin


    Dublin wide open today for goal chances again today against Derry, Derry took those chances while we did not against Dublin & Derry. D Clifford has to be more clinical in front of goal especially for the Championship. He is missing far too many easy chances at this level to win games. We also need a 3 man midfield to compete against Dublin & Derry, D O Connor is our weak link in midfield against top teams, has failed to stamp his mark there after 5 or so years. Fix the midfield and get into D Cliffords head to be more composed in front of goal and we have the makings of an AI. The biggest worry if Jack and his management team as they have faltered over the last 2 years on the line.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭Good loser


    The Derry goalkeeper was brilliant yesterday. Streets ahead of Ryan who could badly do with being coached on every aspect of his play.

    Note how often the Derry man ( who is very competent on the solo) got the short kick out to HIS man on the wings; then he was back in the play first or second pass and advanced up the middle often getting to mid field as the Dubs retreated marking their men. The goalie placed the ball very quickly running to placement, then stopped and stood over ball, waited and watched for scatter and punted 20/25 metres with a quick stroke - he was prepared for a dab to left/right or centre. When Ryan gets ball in his hands he rarely goes beyond 30 metres and USUAL pass is 5/6 metres to nearest player; he never even takes one opponent out of the play, not to mention 2 or 3. All this is useless for attacking momentum.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24 StuttgartKY


    Yeah tbh I thought Ryan was excellent last year and was complaining that he didn’t get an all star. But my eyes have been opened a bit this year in the league that maybe he is not as good as I thought.

    Even something as simple as how slow he is to get a quick kickout off. No matter who is playing for the Dubs they always seem to be much quicker getting the next kickout off after a score.

    But in fairness Ryans shot stopping has saved us plenty times too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭Piskin


    Ryan is a good shot stopper and saved us against Derry last year but he is way too lackadaisical with his kick outs. It's a part of our game that is killing us in games. Even though I have gone off our current management I am still surprised they haven't fixed this. D Murphy & M Quirke are not up to it at this level with only P Tally up to scratch. If Jack persists with D Moynihan, P Geaney,S O'Brien & P Murphy in the Championship we are screwed. What we saw in the League & last year is a poorly coached team and disarray in the forwards, erratic shooting, a build up that is far too slow & ponderous, players making the same mistakes over n over. This year is Jacks biggest test as a manager and hopefully he will pull something out of the hat for us to land an AI.



  • Registered Users Posts: 988 ✭✭✭fire_man


    Ladies team beaten yesterday and could have been by couple more goals.Hard to see them competing with Dublin later in year or is there more to come from this team?



  • Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Forge83


    The Derry goalkeeper is streets ahead of Ryan alright 🤡



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  • Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Forge83


    It’s gone very quiet in here. Kerry V Cork and no post the morning after a match.

    I think it’s pretty obvious Kerry won’t be winning the All Ireland this year. I know Cork always up their game a few levels against us but the reality is we are way off it in every department now. Too many average players combined with a manager making some very strange decisions.

    Morley is a sweeper, if that role doesn’t exist then he is of no use as an out and out full back or centre back.

    Sean O Brien is a converted midfielder to wing back. Looked decent in the league but got found out for championship pace yesterday on several occasions.

    Joe O Connor is a defensive liability. Cork kept him on the backfoot yesterday and he offered nothing.

    Adrian Spillane who is one of my favourite players was miles off it yesterday. He has never possessed a massive skill set outside of huge effort,heart and a bit of fire in him. He didn’t have that yesterday and without it shouldn’t even be on the panel.

    Paudie Clifford way off the pace.

    David Clifford way off the pace. However a lot of the ball into him was stupid low low ball.

    Stephen O Brien was average when he came on, didn’t show much really.

    On the flip side, I thought Cillian Burke was unlucky to be substituted and especially for Paul Geaney who was as usual terrible. I can’t get my head around Jack thinking that Paul Geaney can help him win an All Ireland another year older.

    Seanie O Se had a massive game. Tom O Sullivan was strong on his return. Dara Moynihan had a good game. Mike Breen got a run out which is a plus as he will be needed.Paul Murphy had a great game especially second half to be fair to him as i haven’t been a fan the last 2 years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭Piskin


    Yesterdays game was like watching a Junior game from the 90's. Bang average players mostly. So many players way off the pace and individual errors wholesale. Midfield will get wiped out this year again it looks like, D o' Connor not cutting it at this level, Joe o' Connor is still fresh. Try Barry Dan & J o' Connor for the next game. Same mistakes all over the pitch and the fact that Cork ran out of ideas & steam we would have been beaten. No cohesion in the forwards again and no creativity. Dara Moynihan's inclusion is baffling to say the least, I know he kicked 2 points but he is not going to cut it again against top teams. Paudie Clifford is not a playmaker and is easily snuffed out of games and David Clifford is being easily got at & marked out of games. Again when we are run at we are at sixes & seven's. Looking at Donegals midfield yesterday and they are stronger & tougher while our midfield is weak. We are bringing on players from the bench who are almost in their mid thirties now. No leadership in the team and no playmaker and stale tactic's & decision's from the line. We are & have been playing with fear and that is coming from the line. Unless the powers that be bring in a better background staff we are going nowhere this year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭kerryjack


    Was talking to a lad yesterday evening and he didn't even know that the game was played and was Totally ashamedand and embarrassed as a Kerry man that will tell you how clued in some people are to this new championship format,



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,894 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    if it stays that way until june what harm , its from them on the football championship takes off , ps if common sense takes place then the munster final should be on in kerry or clare this year , better crowd if nothing else



  • Registered Users Posts: 195 ✭✭highball14


    Kerry have every chance of winning the All Ireland. Champions in 2022 and threw it away last year, we haven’t been in great form this year but the only time form matters is at the business end. Neither Dublin or Derry are as great as they are cracked up to be. I also have some concerns about Jack O’Connor but look we will see. We have enough talent despite a few limitations in the panel, it’s up to the management to get the best out of what we have.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭Radio5


    No he isn't.

    The Cork full back is a nephew of Aidan O'Mahony.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I wouldn't be too negative.

    We barely lost last year. We gifted Dublin a goal and Clifford had an off day.

    This team should only be peaking really based on age profile although we still need some fresh blood.

    A young exciting inside forward would be nice.

    Our midfield is a worry.

    Kerry often play poorly in Munster yet end up lifting Sam. It's happened numerous times.

    The group stage will tell us where we're at.

    Paul Geaney still has plenty to offer. With packed defences, accurate long distance shooters are valuable.

    Cork are a strong team despite league performances. I was impressed with them last year.

    We'll be there or thereabouts in Croke Park.

    We're very experienced now at the latter stage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I don't think so.

    There's loads of O'Sullivan's in Kerry and they're from opposite sides of the county.



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