Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Please note that it is not permitted to have referral links posted in your signature. Keep these links contained in the appropriate forum. Thank you.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2055940817/signature-rules
Hi there,
There is an issue with role permissions that is being worked on at the moment.
If you are having trouble with access or permissions on regional forums please post here to get access: https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058365403/you-do-not-have-permission-for-that#latest

Increase in road deaths - RTE tonight at 9:35pm

1468910

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Lot of accidents on secondary roads in rural ireland where garda stations were closed or downgraded so there has been a gradual increase in not adhering to the law knowing theres no guards to catch you.

    Local Fire Brigade cite Phones & Drugs as the two most common factors along with zero garda presence



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,989 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    On Jan 13th 2023, the head of Eirgrid ('retired' Monday) was found to driving 'under intoxication' and charged.

    Today, the IT are reporting the case as it came up for mention. The case was known to very few even though it concerns an incident 16 months ago. The court decided to put the case back to Oct 22nd 2024, nearly 2 years after the incident.

    I presume he still has a full licence and is driving around.

    Surely, he should have been banned on Jan 14th 2023 until his case was dealt by the appropriate court. Otherwise, what is the point of all the safety talk if a person found to be so intoxicated as to incapable of controlling the vehicle he was driving is allowed to carry-on like it never happened?

    It all stinks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,636 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Absolutely ridiculous 'solution'. It would be comical if there weren't a constant stream of deaths involved.

    Bang of let's do everything but spend money on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    Yes , but the local superintendent/ chief super/ AC , needs to prove that they can do or the provide the same or better level of service at the same or less cost to the stakeholders, than their predicessor , in order to prove how good they are, and that they deserve a promotion.

    It's all about the stakeholders, and not spending money.

    Optics.. it's all about the optics.

    Allegedly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,269 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Here is what I would do...

    For each station, and officer on duty, I would aggregate all the 30mins together and place X no. of Gardaí on Roads Duty for the total no. of all those 30min.

    So if 20 (random number) Garda on duty, that's 10hrs of RP for one officer.

    That cuts out all the silly wasted time of multiple officers logging 30min RP on Pulse /other IT system. Everyone knows where they should be for the totality of their shift. The knee jerk comment of the Commissioner (30min per Garda/shift is also achieved, but in a more effective/efficient manner.

    Oh, and implement one officer per car for dedicated Road Traffic duty. Two per car is just silly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭mikeecho


    That's great.. but where did your think there are 20 Garda on duty in any station at any one time.

    You'll be lucky to have 2 cars out in most Irish cities/towns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,269 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Come on, dont nit pic.

    Its just a number, a generalisation ...could be 3, could be 50 depending on the station and shift. In most stations it still going to be better than each officer logging an individual 30min.

    The optics as you referred to above would be much better too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,636 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Well we got 24 hrs of Operation Knee Jerk today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,321 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Re: last paragraph.

    Lack of guards isn't causing road crashes.

    Phones, speeding, bad driving, drink and drugs maybe. But Lack of guards isn't. I hate this Lack of responsibility. It's the drivers causing crashes.

    Slow down folks, stop using a phone when you're driving a 1 ton lump of metal at 100km/h. Don't drink and drive.

    But the guards are an easy target.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,636 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Without guards, people will behave like a bunch of unattended school children in a classroom.

    People need to be monitored, stopped, reprimanded and fined for their own good.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,321 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Appreciate that, but it's not the Guards crashing. Adults need to have a bit of responsibility.

    In all the debates on radio and TV I hear, the roads, the guards are so often the reason for the deaths. They aren't. The elephant in the room is so often ignored for fear of offending.

    If I drive today under the influence, or on my phone, or too fast and crash and due, its on me, not the local guards, or the road. It was MY fault.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,510 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    That is true, but of no help? Adults do need to show responsibility but many don't, hence the need for guards.

    Granted, some of the language in the thread may be 'sloppy' in saying 'it's the lack of gardai causing crashes' etc but I doubt the vast majority of people who use language like that are suggesting that trumps individual responsibility.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,636 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    But lots of grown ass adults DON'T have a sense of their own responsibility.

    Everything is "someone else's" fault, not mine. Oh no, not me, I'm perfect.

    Have a few pints on board? Ah shur tis grand. I'll just get that call. Ah shur tis grand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    When people know theres no guards they use their phone or chance driving after taking cocaine.

    If they they were some guards around theyd be far less likely to use their phones or cocaine driving.

    Its more a rural Ireland thing where most garda stations were closed down which has led to a breeakdown in law and order in those communities. Your never too far from a garda station in Dublin but in rural counties away from greater Dublin area you might never see a guard .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    Garda presence is one required strand of enforcement, but the trouble is that needing them to do everything stretches their resources too thin. Speeding, red light jumping, even phone use can be easily dealt with now via technology. Visible garda presence on our streets and roads should be the final layer on top of a fully automated system.

    The problem with implementing any of the above isnt a technical problem, its a political one. For some reason we pay far too much heed to people shouting nonsense about personal freedom and nanny states, when they just want to continue misbehaving. Incidently the ones who shout the loudest about nanny states are the very ones whose bad behavior needs to be caught and who we need to boot off our roads to make them safer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭omri


    Either ban sale of cars with bigger than 1l engine or max bhp at say 80 or, bump speed limit on motorways to 150 (except M50 as way too busy or maybe peak hours limit to 80) and reduce speed limit on all other roads - since some of these would have 80 or 100 but are built for 60 at best. And make it mandatory for every driver licence test/course to have a week or two of cycling (as that would teach the would be drivers how it feels to be a cyclist amongst the cars). They can show more news about speeding tickets and fines but thats really only a plaster sticking onto an open wound.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,510 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    here's the thing about enforcement though - you don't need gardai present to catch every single infringement; you just need enough to create the fear of being caught. because the fear is not there at the moment, and that's the main driver (pun unintended) of peoples' sense of impunity.

    at the moment, if i drove blatantly through a junction near me against a red, i would hazard the chances of being caught at less than 0.1%. increase that chance by a factor of five, and next thing you know people are genuinely afraid of getting caught; they'll see plenty more other motorists being stopped at the side of the road, or hearing about friends or relatives being fined (those willing to admit it, admittedly!)



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 680 CMod ✭✭✭✭LIGHTNING


    I have a car with a 0.6l engine that will happely do 150. I really hate the above Irish way of tackling a problem. Rather than address the source they go with a blanket ban/restriction that stuff's everybody. Issue with some clowns being rowdy in public? Sure lets ban drinking in public. Great thanks! Certain people drink too much, well lets introduce min alcohol pricing to stuff us all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 621 ✭✭✭ARX


    Did you get the engine out of a GSX-R? 😀

    Anyway, restricting engine size isn't going to stop people driving into trees while looking at their phones.



  • Advertisement
  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why? What does that achive? Does being hit by a 1L VW Golf hurt less than hit by a 2L Golf GTi?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭omri


    It sure doesn't. But it makes a diff when u have 400bhp available at your disposal, temptation is real. You keep selling fast cars but expect people to drive slowly. You gotta let people scratch that itch somehow. Many roads with 80-100 limits are not up for those speeds, often used by farming equipment and cyclists, yet you have 120 on motorways that could easily and safely take 150 if not bit faster. Especially those that are not as busy and certainly during off peak hours. Having people do a mandatory cycling would teach them how it feels being passed by a bus or truck or fast moving car and maybe they would take that into consideration while driving. I don't know how much does it cost to police the roads, maybe less than putting avg speed cameras everywhere - which would solve the problem along with fines based on income and taking away licence for repeating offenders.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    People need to take responsibility for their own behaviour and actions. That applies to all drivers, pedestrians cycles and people with pushchairs.

    You could do as much damage to a pedestrian in a 75hp VW Up as you could in a 400bhp+ Tesla.

    The knee jerk/ ban this tax the other is disquise for fixing the real issue. Too many distracted drivers too few Gardai out on the streets, too much reckless behaviour (cyclists are wreakless too)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭omri


    What you want is to have a choice to behave safely when it suits, but when that choice is being removed then that’s not the solution.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,510 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it is kinda funny that they felt they had to insist on a hardware-applied speed limit to e-bikes and scooters, to limit them to 25kmh; but are unable to apply similar limits to cars?

    you can legally use a car capable of doing twice the motorway speed limit, but not an e-scooter capable of getting to 26km/h.

    though i do know about the EU mandated built in speed restriction on cars, but implementation of that seems weirdly vague and hard to find for such an important change in vehicle regulation.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    you have no clue as to what I want. Please don’t pretend that you do.

    What I do not want is clueless ideas that improve nothing. Not sure what kind of issue you have with my post that you have quoted.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭omri


    😂 you want to be free to do as you please - chill boyo

    …or now that I think of it, maybe youre afraid of riding a bicycle… 😉



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    nope. Nice try. Have a very nice carbon Bianchi and Giant cyclocross in the garage. Have a fully paid up cycle club membership too.

    So, better luck next time. I’m off for a spin on my bike. Weather is decent for a change.

    Edit: did you actually read my post? ‘Too many distracted drivers too few Gardai out on the streets, too much reckless behaviour (cyclists are wreakless too)“ which bit of this are you disagreeing with boyo?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,699 ✭✭✭omri




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thanks. Bell helmet on, led lights charged and switched on. High visibility jersey. Check!

    All with the single goal of coming home safe.

    See it's not hard for a cyclist to do their bit too!

    It's my spelling that gets you annoyed! I will learn to spell reckless when I am out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭combat14


    perhaps limit learners and N drivers to 1 litre cars for 5 years after qualification also fix pot holes on roads for a change



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 905 ✭✭✭65535


    Some drivers are loosing the run of themselves.

    Last week when there was a Womens Rugby Ball Game on in Cork - a driver 'undertook' me at the roundabout but then proceeded to drive through a solid red light.

    After that the driver then proceeded to undertake another car that was just waiting in traffic.

    That driver made a distance leap of 2 cars ahead of me when I caught up to him doing the speed limit - so his/her dangerous driving which could have resulted in 2 serious accidents was due to their hurry to get to a ball game - words just fail me.

    As for driving with phones etc. - surely ALL cars now have Bluetooth - no excuses



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,636 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    I'd say the older sh1tbox saloons and rice rockets beloved of speedsters may not have bluetooth, or I suspect people are too lazy to connect up, judging by the numbers I see phone to ear.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    except it’s as likely to be a brand new ionic 5 EV with mum and kids. Mums doing 90 and on tick tok.

    look around, phone use is systemic. Sooner AI cameras are installed the better. I’d guess it’s 1 in 5 drivers are staring at their crotch.

    most of Irelands problems could be helped by lots lots more Garda. Not just for this topic.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,774 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Am I not right in thinking that the difficulty in rolling out tech solutions lies with the Dept of Justice rather than AGS?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭drury..


    Are they still providing maps for the gosafe van locations

    Madness if they are



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    it’s not one or the other. How about we expect the government to multi task?

    Recruit more Garda, they get out and about and implement existing laws. (Far reaching past just lousy driving) Can’t hire enough? Pay them more.

    And, at the same time, stick red light jumping cameras everywhere, mobile phone automatic tickets- let’s do that. If your a decent human you should have nothing to hide.

    BUT there would be uproar by certain cohorts of society, who’s knickers would be very twisted indeed



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    here you go. The point of the map is to advertise where the cameras are so you don’t speed. High probability of getting caught.

    Green Party are all about generating revenue by taxing people. Hiding cameras up a tree does not improve safety.

    Need to Paint the cameras in high vis stickers.

    The Green Party voters love that sh1t.

    https://www.garda.ie/gosafe.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭drury..


    It defeats the purpose

    Drivers are speeding where there's no cameras

    They know the rough location on their commute for exampt



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    can’t disagree with that. But the idea is that drivers have been told roughly where the vans might be. That map is so wide spread, that it’s nearly everywhere

    Nothing stops the Garda doing random checks. Lazy camera vans parked up in the same spot every day. Back to my point, hire more 5-O

    Also, a lot of the sh1t driving is being called speeding. Most unsafe driving I see is careless and without due care and attention. Changing lanes without looking around. Erratic behaviour. No indication, Looking at tinder instead of the road.

    Speed is one factor but I personally think phones and lack of consideration are worse right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭drury..


    Its not in rural locations

    There is no camera between many towns for example so drivers can boot it from one town to the other

    Few gardai about. I would say this issue is more noticeable in rural areas , not so much in the cities



  • Advertisement
  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yip, need more cops



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭drury..


    But if they don't advertise the speed van locations

    Theyre way more of a deterrent without additional cost



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    yeah but because of the green propaganda, that’s not the focus. This nonsense is:

    https://m.independent.ie/business/technology/new-electric-garda-motorbike-has-a-range-of-130km/a1633302733.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,125 ✭✭✭SeanW


    One thing we know about the planned speed limit reductions is that they have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with road safety.

    Ireland has one of the lowest road fatality statistics by every measure of any country on Earth (per 100,000 inhabitants, per 100,000 cars, per billion vehicle-kilometres), so much so that we can measure fatalities as a low single-digit figure per billion kilometres driven.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

    So why the need to take an axe to all the speed limits when the real danger is basically non-existent? It only makes sense when viewed as part of a jihad against motorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭drury..


    Reducing speed limits has nothing to do with road safety?

    For example ,In the urban areas where they are reducing the limits , that is related to road safety

    Pedestrians are less likely to be seriously injured if the car is travelling slower when it hits a pedestrian

    Same principle applies to general car crashes

    But at the same time they need to be doing the simple stuff like punishing mobile phone users en masse and not advertising location of speed vans



  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭dickdasr1234


    I have little doubt that phones are a major problem but tech in modern cars is a serious issue as well.

    I had a courtesy car last year that scared the crap out of me. It was like having a laptop to hand and necessitated taking my eyes off the road for an uncomfortable and dangerous length of time.

    Granted, you could/should set everything up before you move off but the feckin thing simply should not be accessible once moving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭drury..




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,125 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Given how rare these serious incidents are, as a practical matter yes, the road safety case is thin at best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Currently there isn’t an age limit on the use of escooters, currently you have numerous little clowns using them at dangerously high speeds on pathways in close proximity to people of all ages and physical / health abilities and limitations …. So a physical limit on their speed is appropriate. I witness this weekly one is with a see you next Tuesday living beside me. They are now for this reason proposing an age limit of 16.

    A car can go over a motorway speed limit as not all motorways have the same speed limit, they vary from country to country. Plus you cannot or should not limit the speed of a vehicle, in certain circumstances it’s unsafe, ie. if you needed an increase in speed to avert danger on the road. A drunk or impaired driver it may be more prudent to intentionally increase your speed to 140/150 in order to complete an overtake and get out of dodge as opposed to just sitting behind and hoping you can break or manoeuvre out of his carnage should he collide, lose control or do whatever.

    Incidentally I’ve driven a company vehicle with a limiter… not purchased for safety, purchased to avail of wholesale cheaper insurance, the management were honest about it….not one single positive to say about that experience… cruising on a busy motorway, losing power, speed, revs…. Not a nice situation and should I have gotten into trouble I had no way to get my ass out of dodge… No way to override it…. The accelerator clicks and recesses into the floor as you lose everything and only when you relax your foot off it and gear down can you get the power back…..No opportunity if anything goes wrong to capture quickly speed that might save you.

    I’m not a speeder… I’ve never received a penalty point or even been pulled by the Gardai so what I’m saying is genuinely from someone who values road safety and the lives of each road user….

    And I’m still completely anti limiter and completely more enforcement of the road traffic act and appropriate penalties for those in contravention of it. Limiters ? No, not from my adverse experience.

    More enforcement and tougher penalties ? YES !



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭drury..


    Reducing speed reduces fatalities therefore improves road safety

    That's a fact so I don't see what you're argument is



Advertisement