The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Why are people on here comparing splitting Kerry, if Dublin is to be split. They are 2 completely different things. Kerry's success comes of them having a huge tradition of GAA football. I'm not from there, but I get the impression that you are almost an embarrassment to the family if you don't throw on the boots and take to the GAA fields. A real intensity that most other counties don't possess. And with that intensity and drive comes success. David Clifford is not a product from any systems or processes. I'm sure it is due to the fact that he was obsessed as a youngster, and a ball probably never left his hand. He developed through practice and love for the game. A lot of the Dublin players in particular are manufactured players. The likes of Lahiff, Bugler, Howard, Scully etc. are all athletic and will run all day and grind the opposition down. That athleticism has been made possible by the processes and facilities put in place from the millions given to Dublin GAA some time ago. Anybody who tries to deflect away from this is just being defensive at best, or highly disillusioned in reality.

What reasons are there to split Kerry.

Obviously, all of this splitting talk is irrelevant. It will never happen anyway. And shouldn't in my opinion. There has to be other ways. If approx €13m can be provided to Dublin, surely some funds can be attributed to the other counties.

How the hell did Bertie get away with it back then anyway? How were there no objections.

Kerry have won 84 Munster titles and 38 all Ireland titles. That’s not normal, that’s frankly ludicrous

saying they’ve only one in the last 10 years because for once there was a bigger badder wolf around doesn’t make it normal either (I suppose we can say Dublin were just good right?). How many did they win between 97 and 07? Was that normal? How many Munsters have they won in the last 10 years? Is that normal? From 1975 to 1986 they appeared in all bar 2 finals, was that normal?

oh yeah, Kerry were just good right?

you want to split Dublin because you want to get your own counties snout in the trough and it’s easier to try to Gerrymander it and blame everyone else if they’ve fallen short. If that wasn’t that case you’d be willing to engage on proposals that extend further than “split Dublin” to address the problems in the game. Just because yourself and other posters won’t admit it doesn’t make it any less transparent

So did you go?

The attendances and viewing figures says it all these days.

If I wanted to watch incessant handpassing I might watch a basketball match.

And the fact that Dublin have some of the best forwards in the country only makes it worse.

Arguing that the 80s and 90s were borefest would have nothing to do with fact ye weren't winning All Irelands every other year now would it.🙄

Anyway I have better things to do than argue with people that can't seem to get an inkling as to how much trouble football currently is in.

I was there, yes, and I saw many exhibitions of excellent kick-passing from Dublin. It is a far cry from the throw-ball we saw in the late 1970s and 1980s when Kerry and the like used to throw the ball into the net.

Edit: Also the scoring rates in football are much higher now.

You do know it wasn't alone Kerry that played in the 70s and 80s.

The dubs were damn fooking good at throwing the ball into the net as well and contested most of those finals bar a few with Roscommon and Offaly.

You do appear to have a huge problem with Kerry though for some reason.

After all these pages of arguments have we realized yet that the whole inter county competition nowadays is a completely unbalanced pile of shite?

Leinster and Munster football as well as the AI competition itself are no better than the SPL imo.

Oh but sure Derry won the league. The league is in no way near comparable to championship.

Dublin will likely win the AI again this year, Kerry may cause an upset. Derry winning would be great for a change, won’t happen imo.

3 counties have won 18 of the last 20 AIs?

That isn't that unusual. Between 1969 and 1986 (18 finals), 3 teams won 17 of them.

Between 1958 and 1991 (34 finals), only seven teams - Dublin, Kerry, Down, Meath, Offaly, Cork and Galway - won titles. It has always been the preserve of a few, and with the advantages granted to Kerry in Munster, they have benefitted the most.

Even by the standards of boards, this post is especially unhelpful.

Kerry are not a problem, they are an example, and anyone who mentions Kerry is only trying to divert the discussion.

And one of the three has won as many as the other two put together.

Kerry have 6, and 6 runner ups in that window. Dublin have 9 and no runner ups. Some of dublins wins were by the thinnest margin. If anything your example shows clearly how entwined the Dublin and Kerry issues are

Again, you're just looking at the results i.e., winning or not winning. What is important is the inputs into those results. In Dublin's case, they consist of an insane combination of advantages in population, funding and playing at home. But Dublin were just good, right? But no other county enjoys advantages like this- it's why I and others have been calling for Dublin alone to be split.

Basically:

Winning fairly, even dominating for periods as Kilkenny did = no problem

Competing unfairly, even when you don't win for periods as is the case with Dublin = massive problem for the GAA

So as said before, we have no axe to grind with Dublin. The situation is not their fault. But we do want to split them to enhance the prestige, integrity and fairness of Gaelic games and enhance the competition for all counties. It's the most important reform the GAA can take because of the massive unfairness of the status quo.

How do you propose dealing with Dublin's unfair advantages?

5th time making the same joke, brilliant Dublin wit! Unfortunately you've already accepted in certain circumstances that you think Dublin should be split. You've said it yourself, multiple times actually. So you have accepted that Dublin are unfairly advantaged.

unfortunately your entire argument distills into

Dublin winning- it’s unfair Wah I want them split

Dublin not winning - wah it’s still unfair I want them split

Kerry winning (with huge unfair advantages) - oh that’s fine nothing to see here. Oh look Dublin need splitting

Kerry not winning (in spite of huge advantages)- wah it’s all Dublins fault, split them

I mean that level of bitterness and hate is basically unhealthy for you. You’ve created this subjective reality for yourself where whatever happens you can circle back to your own belief system and validate it. Sadly it probably gives you too much comfort to realise how poisonous it is to you. I do hope at some point you get the help you need but for the moment you’re just basically shouting at the tide, convinced you’re right.

Sorry - I never said Dublin has the best volunteers - I actually specifically said the underage coaches would be the same as they have in Kerry. In reality, they are probably better in Kerry but thats by the by. For me, underage 'coach' is a very loose term in any of the Dublin clubs I've seen. If you can lay out cones and hand out bibs, thats 70% of the work.

I made absolutely no claim that the coaches are better; but - the coaches are there and thats enough. If the kids are out playing week on week since the age of 6, with some basic coaching around skills that can be learned off youtube videos or courses, that will bring them a long way.

What Dublin has is numbers, and there is no getting around that.

It has huge volumes compared to any other county and statistically, the top 1% out of 10'000 will be better than the top 3% out 1000, all other things being equal.

The games development fund is very much at the periphery. Its one individual spread across 1000+ kids; almost by definition the impact there is not significant. Thats much more about culture, about structures and so on. They development officers would rarely if every coach an individual child; and very definitely it is not about promoting or developing elite kids.

Finally - the stat is, 30% of development funding has gone into Dublin. Is that disproportionate? Marginally at best. Dublins population is 1.5mn. RoI is 5mn.

The other thing Dublin has of course is an outstanding crop of players. That will not last. Cluxton, McCarthy, Mannion, Kilkenny, Fitzsimons are genuine all stars - best in their positions in the country and have been for a long time. They will go, and the players replacing them wont be as good.

@blanch152 here is a post where you accepted that Dublin should be split. You imposed some conditions which I don't agree with, but I do partially agree, on your point that Dublin should be split. I have never made any concession that I think anyone except Dublin should be split, because no other team is unfairly advantaged. Whereas you have conceded in certain circumstances that Dublin should be split. You're now trying to divert the thread with jokes and I am trying to keep your spirits up by laughing alone with you, but the fact is you have made the concession.

I suppose Kerry have just had a golden generation for a hundred plus years….🙄

that’s why they’ve been sharing out the sponsorship they’ve received from Kerry group across Munster to develop other teams right? Remind me, that’s one of the longest standing and largest sponsorship deals in the GAA right?