Unfortunately you're wrong here- the Games Development funding that Dublin alone were favoured for has played a huge role in their recent success. Yes, it is not the only source of funding that they have been and are uniquely advantaged in, but it is definitely an important one. It helped to identify talented young players and bring them to their fullest potential, as well as reducing the opportunity cost from other spending. This would be great if all counties were treated equally but Dublin alone were unfairly advantaged by the GAA, again! And neutrals have a big problem with such favourtism particularly when you factor in all of Dublin's advantages. I've been involved in this discussion for a while- interesting your argument of "We just have the best volunteers" isn't made as much in recent years, interesting to see it arise again. The other one you rarely see is the "golden generation" argument- that one has been thoroughly debunked (granted all arguments saying Dublin don't have an unfair advantage have been thoroughly debunked, but you still see some of the other ones). So yes, millions have gone into Dublin's success from the GAA. And the money went into Dublin alone in terms of its disproportionate impact.
Again, you're just looking at the results i.e., winning or not winning. What is important is the inputs into those results. In Dublin's case, they consist of an insane combination of advantages in population, funding and playing at home. But Dublin were just good, right? But no other county enjoys advantages like this- it's why I and others have been calling for Dublin alone to be split.
Basically: Winning fairly, even dominating for periods as Kilkenny did = no problem
Competing unfairly, even when you don't win for periods as is the case with Dublin = massive problem for the GAA So as said before, we have no axe to grind with Dublin. The situation is not their fault. But we do want to split them to enhance the prestige, integrity and fairness of Gaelic games and enhance the competition for all counties. It's the most important reform the GAA can take because of the massive unfairness of the status quo. How do you propose dealing with Dublin's unfair advantages?
Completely agree, Kerry are the biggest problem, the most dominant team, down purely to the unfair advantage of being in the hurling province. The advantage of splitting Kerry first is that the lines have already been drawn. Divisional teams with local support and stadia already exist.
Kerry have 6, and 6 runner ups in that window. Dublin have 9 and no runner ups. Some of dublins wins were by the thinnest margin. If anything your example shows clearly how entwined the Dublin and Kerry issues are
Disagree , Kerry are a huge part of the problem , anyone not seeing this is anti Dublin.
Even by the standards of boards, this post is especially unhelpful.
Kerry are not a problem, they are an example, and anyone who mentions Kerry is only trying to divert the discussion.
And one of the three has won as many as the other two put together.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-30865557.html
€13 million to be a little more precise.
That isn't that unusual. Between 1969 and 1986 (18 finals), 3 teams won 17 of them.
Between 1958 and 1991 (34 finals), only seven teams - Dublin, Kerry, Down, Meath, Offaly, Cork and Galway - won titles. It has always been the preserve of a few, and with the advantages granted to Kerry in Munster, they have benefitted the most.
Agreed ref the unbalanced pile of ****, think Kerry will likely win a 39th AI this year though .
After all these pages of arguments have we realized yet that the whole inter county competition nowadays is a completely unbalanced pile of shite?
Leinster and Munster football as well as the AI competition itself are no better than the SPL imo.
Oh but sure Derry won the league. The league is in no way near comparable to championship.
Dublin will likely win the AI again this year, Kerry may cause an upset. Derry winning would be great for a change, won’t happen imo.
3 counties have won 18 of the last 20 AIs?
We could also look at the muck from the mid-2000s, take the 2003 All-Ireland final which Tyrone won by 0-12 to 0-9. Some awful football then too.
With Dublin playing attacking football the way they do now, a team needs to score more than 20 points to beat them. That alone makes for entertainment, without it going the way ping-pong hurling has gone.
You do know it wasn't alone Kerry that played in the 70s and 80s.
The dubs were damn fooking good at throwing the ball into the net as well and contested most of those finals bar a few with Roscommon and Offaly.
You do appear to have a huge problem with Kerry though for some reason.
Sounds fair to me
I was there, yes, and I saw many exhibitions of excellent kick-passing from Dublin. It is a far cry from the throw-ball we saw in the late 1970s and 1980s when Kerry and the like used to throw the ball into the net.
Edit: Also the scoring rates in football are much higher now.
Some people want Dublin split, some people want Kerry split. They are entitled to their opinions on the subject. The solution is to go with the county that already has divisional sides that have stadia and natural followings. The dominance of Munster by Kerry can be ended and it will give great cheer to Kerry locals to see their divisional teams which have been prevented from entering club provincial championships have a go at the county version. Wins all round for everyone. Those that want Dublin split can see how the Kerry experience works out over a decade and hope it supports their case.
So did you go?
The attendances and viewing figures says it all these days.
If I wanted to watch incessant handpassing I might watch a basketball match.
And the fact that Dublin have some of the best forwards in the country only makes it worse.
Arguing that the 80s and 90s were borefest would have nothing to do with fact ye weren't winning All Irelands every other year now would it.🙄
Anyway I have better things to do than argue with people that can't seem to get an inkling as to how much trouble football currently is in.
I'd say if Sean Bugler or Brian Howard were reading this they would have a right old laugh.
Moreover I'd say if any of their underage coaches were reading this, they'd have a bigger laugh.
They are product of local gaa clubs that have the same facilities as any club in Kerry would have, and coaches that gave up their time free of charge week after week, month after month, year after year in the same way as any coach in kerry would do.
You are banging on about Clifford as if he learned the game kicking ball in the back garden with his brothers.
Fossa GAA has a new clubhouse, has two pitches, one of which has floodlights.
By contrast, Howards club Raheny GAA doesnt even have its own pitch and is using a pitch in St Annes Park owned by the council.
There is no 'millions gone into it' story here. This is complete bull. You want it to be like this, to suit your narrative. But its not.
Kerry have won 84 Munster titles and 38 all Ireland titles. That’s not normal, that’s frankly ludicrous saying they’ve only one in the last 10 years because for once there was a bigger badder wolf around doesn’t make it normal either (I suppose we can say Dublin were just good right?). How many did they win between 97 and 07? Was that normal? How many Munsters have they won in the last 10 years? Is that normal? From 1975 to 1986 they appeared in all bar 2 finals, was that normal?
oh yeah, Kerry were just good right?
you want to split Dublin because you want to get your own counties snout in the trough and it’s easier to try to Gerrymander it and blame everyone else if they’ve fallen short. If that wasn’t that case you’d be willing to engage on proposals that extend further than “split Dublin” to address the problems in the game. Just because yourself and other posters won’t admit it doesn’t make it any less transparent
Yep agreed the splitting talk is all irrelevant. Kerrys success comes from playing in a hurling province ,as for manufactured players i 100% disagree .
Why are people on here comparing splitting Kerry, if Dublin is to be split. They are 2 completely different things. Kerry's success comes of them having a huge tradition of GAA football. I'm not from there, but I get the impression that you are almost an embarrassment to the family if you don't throw on the boots and take to the GAA fields. A real intensity that most other counties don't possess. And with that intensity and drive comes success. David Clifford is not a product from any systems or processes. I'm sure it is due to the fact that he was obsessed as a youngster, and a ball probably never left his hand. He developed through practice and love for the game. A lot of the Dublin players in particular are manufactured players. The likes of Lahiff, Bugler, Howard, Scully etc. are all athletic and will run all day and grind the opposition down. That athleticism has been made possible by the processes and facilities put in place from the millions given to Dublin GAA some time ago. Anybody who tries to deflect away from this is just being defensive at best, or highly disillusioned in reality.
What reasons are there to split Kerry.
Obviously, all of this splitting talk is irrelevant. It will never happen anyway. And shouldn't in my opinion. There has to be other ways. If approx €13m can be provided to Dublin, surely some funds can be attributed to the other counties.
How the hell did Bertie get away with it back then anyway? How were there no objections.
Kerry have won a ridiculous 84 Munster titles and 38 All Ireland titles this is not normal , thankfully Dublin prevented them from winning another 3-4 in the last dacade , Kerry are a problem ,we want Kerry split as its unfair ,Dublin and Kerry are a problem along with many other problems that need sorting .
Kerry have won one senior All Ireland in the last decade, as have Tyrone. This is normal and they are not a problem.
We want to split Dublin as it is unfair, and that includes people from counties that are not going to win All Irelands one way or the other.
Derry match - Yes. But I was at the Dublin Meath match on Sunday. Doesn't get more borefest than that. I would have left early only for the kids and their friends were with me and they wanted to stay to see if there would be anymore large flocks of seagulls. I guess that says it all. There was no display of quality football. Both teams were dire in the first half. Dublin picked it up a bit in the second half to properly end the context. But nothing special.
The issue with other counties in funding, population etc. is that yes, there are discrepancies between other counties but they are so small compared to Dublin vs anyone else, that they are basically negligible for as long as Dublin are a single team. There's a population gap between Galway and Leitrim- but if we were to address that, it's also far more pressing to deal with Dublin first. Same for funding and any other unfair advantage that Dublin enjoy. Dublin have all these advantages in combination, plus the scale is off the charts vs every other county, plus the duration is now decades, even for funding alone. So disputing that Dublin are not uniquely unfairly advantaged just will not wash. I do find it bizarre that some Dublin supporters cannot even admit that these are advantages, even if they don't agree with some of the measures being proposed. This thread was set up because every other thread involving Dublin GAA would eventually just become a discussion on Dublin's unfair advantages. What is strange is that even in this thread specifically to discuss Dublin's advantages, some Dublin supporters cannot even bring themselves to admit to them but will instead try to divert the thread to dozens of irrelevant topics. Rather than discuss the point of the thread i.e., "The dominance of Dublin GAA". As a neutral who wants to help the GAA in all counties, I just cannot understand that level of partisan bias. Even from a purely selfish point of view, do Dublin supporters really want the All-Ireland to go the way of the once great Leinster Championship? Where All-Ireland finals get maybe 20k people if lucky? Maybe the county model is doomed. Maybe even splitting Dublin into four is too little, too late. But we should at least try it, if not for Dublin we would have an essentially fair competition. But perhaps a return to Club Football will be the way to go after that; we would not see the best 15 players in each county competing on the same team though in that case. I agree football is far worse as a spectacle too- too much handpassing, diving, "safe" shots. No high fielding. Blanket defences being the norm for all the top teams, including Dublin despite what gormdubhgorm has falsely claimed. It's just not as good a sport anymore. Maybe along with a split of Dublin and some other reforms, and a few rule tweaks, we can get back to a decent sport, but it is unlikely.
Yes i stated Kerry should be split , for over a century of advantages , i never mentioned population ,the solution is to concentrate on all the problems in the GAA , Dublin Kerry and many more , this is perfectly obvious to anyone interested in a solution and not just to improve there own Counties chances by splitting Dublin .
Another cracker! Keep the Dublin wit coming, we need some humour in this thread. I'm enjoying it.
As I've said, discrepancies in outcome does not mean there is an unfair playing field. No county in Munster has population advantages of the scale, nature, combination and duration that Dublin do. Similarly Dublin not winning every year doesn't mean they weren't unfairly advantaged. For instance population was always an unfair advantage for Dublin even though they didn't win every year. But the advantages have become far worse over recent decades, particularly since the overfunding of Dublin alone started in the mid 2000s. Attendances in Munster are proportionally far better than Leinster these days. And it is a much more competitive competition than Leinster nowadays too. But we agree the Provincials should go so probably not much to discuss here. I think you're trying to divert the debate away from Dublin again by introducing these irrelevant side issues. How do you propose dealing with Dublin's unfair advantages?
I mean they can all say "Well, the unfairness isn't my fault, it is the GAA's". They can truthfully say that for sure. But they can't truthfull say "This was a fairly won medal". You'd have to ignore the population, funding, home pitch advantages etc if you were to say the second statement.
but they’re just good right 😉
You stated that they should be split, so reducing their population. Why on earth would you suggest that given that you know they do not have a population advantage?
The solution is perfectly obvious, to anyone actually interested in a solution.
I don't know what game you were watching, but some of the football on display in the last two Dublin games - against Derry and Meath - was of the highest quality.
If you want to go back to the borefests of the 1980s and 1990s, off with you.
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