The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

I didn't concede anything of the sort, please don't lie, it reflects very poorly on you. I am willing to concede that I want to help all counties, and yes, I want to help the smaller counties like Leitrim in particular. No other county other than Dublin has unfair advantages- that's why Dublin alone should be split. I'm not in a position to influence anything, this is just a friendly discussion about how we deal with "The dominance of Dublin GAA" as the thread title says.

How do you propose dealing with Dublin's unfair advantages if not by splitting them?

And what happens when the two semi finals are Dublin V Dublin and Dublin V Dublin.

This would be far more farcical than anything. There are 34 county teams in the All Ireland Championships. Each county is fairly represented. Suggesting splitting any county is ridiculous. Dublin have not always dominated despite the population advantage. And although in a golden era, Dublin will not dominate forever. I find it funny nobody ever suggested splitting the Kerry team in the 1970s, Kilkenny Hurlers in 00's or any other team.

Croke Park has to be situated somewhere and it was built in Dublin as the capital and biggest population. Dublin do play matches outside Croke Park but once we get to provincial finals and All Ireland games why wouldn't be use the home of GAA and the biggest stadium we have to accommodate the fans?

Hang on now -

Dublin population 2 times Cork Population.

Cork population 15 time Leitrim Population.

I'm sorry, but I dont accept that logic. By this logic, Dublin has a greater advantage over Cork than does over a village with 100 people living in it.

Yes in absolute numbers Dublin dwarves other counties - but is your problem inequity within the GAA, or is it inequity within the GAA where it concerns Dublin?

Regarding your point on funding - I'll admit i dont know the answer - how does the budget for the Dublin gaa team compare to that of Kerry or the other leading teams? Do you have the figures?

Also -

What is wrong with the solution of taking Dublin out of Leinster?

And

Why is splitting Dublin a solution, and joining other counties not a solution? Kerry clubs do it to great effect.

The fact you think that even two Dublin divisional sides would be unbeatable for other teams shows how crazy it is to instead concentrate their unfair advantages into a single team! What you're saying is grounds for a larger split, I agree with that- 4+ teams as I always say.

There are 33 teams (Kilkenny don't compete) and one county, Dublin is not fairly represented- they're unfairly represented because of the unique combination of advantages they enjoy. It's not cyclical, and it's not about whether a team wins or not- it's about ensuring the playing field is level which it surely is not currently. People didn't mind Kilkenny winning because they did it fairly- sadly, we cannot say the same for the Dublin team. Home advantage is an advantage unfortunately (just as population and funding are), you cannot wish that away much as you'd like to. It's been a large part of why Dublin have won the All-Irelands over the last decade. Definitely they'd have lost at least one of those games vs Mayo if they weren't constantly playing in their home stadium. The capacity is actually rarely required these days anyway- it used to be for games like Dublin vs Meath but those days are gone now, in large part because of declining interest due to Dublin's success built off their platform of unfair advantages.

your whole approach to this is basically to ignore any facts to disagree with and just keep shouting the same nonsense. It’s actually kind of childish and reflects incredibly poorly on you.

I think it’s safe to say that the alternate reality youve tied yourself into where your team are the bestest and fairest and everyone else is cheating doesn’t resonate with a lot of the posters here. You’ve been provided with the evidence to support everything that’s been asserted, as well as a host of solutions that would improve the game for all counties, not just your own. The sensible thing if you actually care about the game. as opposed to your own team and their place in the roll of honour, would be to engage in the thoughtful debate that many other posters have offered as opposed to just shouting at the tide.

again, how do you propose to address the unfair advantages that have been detailed against your own team so that every team plays the sport on a level basis? If you can’t acknowledge where that issue comes from and consider how to creatively address it then you’re really wasting your time looking at other teams to hobble, it’s just looking to gerrymander to give your team a leg up

One of the major problems with your solution is that it is untried and untested. There are no home stadiums for the divisional sides, there is no history of identity. As I said before, the best way of testing this out and trying if it works is to take Kerry out of the Munster championsip and replace them with their divisional sides. They have been in existence for a long time, presumably have designated home stadia and also have a traditional following. Kerry must be tired of winning 82 Munster championships, in fact Kerry people used to say that they only travel for All-Irelands.

So let's be having the existing Kerry divisions as a decade-long trial and in the meantime Dublin can look at its options. Wins all round for everyone.

You're just repeating stuff back at me now again, it's childish as I said.

But no, I engage with facts thoroughly- that's why I have the opinions I do. Think of it, your whole argument is based on the premise that Dublin's advantages in population, funding, playing at home make no difference- do you have any idea how ridiculous that is?

And once again you're lying about how unfair advantages have been detailed for anyone except Dublin- no team other than Dublin has unfair advantages so they cannot be detailed. Please stop the incessant lying, it was kind of funny to begin with but is now just tiresome.

Dublin aren't cheating at all, where have I said that? It's not even Dublin's fault that the GAA is in this current predicament, it is the GAA's. Reforms to the GAA don't have to end with the splitting of Dublin but as it is clearly the most beneficial thing the GAA can do to help all counties, it should be done first. Any other reforms, without this being done first are doomed to failure. So splitting Dublin is a solution that would improve the game for all counties.

Exactly, there is just a complete reluctance to deal with the issues. Ostriches with their heads in the sand come to mind. Just a complete denial in the fact of overwhelming evidence that Dublin alone are unfairly advantaged. I have said repeatedly that one of the benefits to a split of Dublin within Dublin would be that if Dublin divisional sides won All-Irelands, they would now come fairly, unlike at present. You can see the unfair titles do gnaw at the Dublin supporters, as they cannot take any pride in them. Which is why they come in here arguing vehemently that there was no unfairness at all, as that sense of guilt and empty feeling that comes from victories enabled by the GAA gnaws away at them.

I assure you Dublin take plenty of pride in all the titles they’ve won. Plenty of pride because they were won fairly through hard work, dedication and sacrifice .

tell me though- you mention above about posters arguing vehemently that there was no unfairness at all. Isn’t that precisely what you’ve been doing when anyone raises your own team? Is it that you can’t take any pride in them? Does it gnaw away at you every day?

they’re just good!

That’s it? That’s the best the split Dublin brigade have to offer?

hundreds of pages of a thread at this stage . We’ve had dodging and weaving from various posters (not yourself to be fair) every time the hundred plus years of unfairness in how Gaelic football is run and how certain teams have over that time benefitted hugely and unfairly from that. We’ve had endless examples being dismissed without any reasonable counter arguments being made. We’ve had innovative proposals that would benefit all counties dismissed out of hand because they’re not “split Dublin”

and now the split Dublin camp rock up to finally explain why it’s ok that other counties would continue to benefit from the inherent unfairness of the current system post their Dublin split

and the reason is “they’re just good”

Wow!

Undoubtedly there was hard work, dedication and sacrifice. Some incredible players too. It doesn't mean they came fairly though, so that's where the lack of pride comes from.

Any county outside of Dublin can take pride in their victories though. The issue with Dublin "supporters" (real supporters would want Dublin to be split but that's a separate conversation) coming on and arguing vehemently against Dublin having unfair advantages, day in, day out is this. If they had confidence, pride and security in their victories, they wouldn't feel the need to do that. It'd be water off a duck's back as the argument could just be dismissed. But instead they feel the need to engage on it incessantly, despite clearly and repeatedly losing the argument. It's quite odd.

You realise "they're just good!" is your argument. Let's ignore the population advantage. Let's ignore the funding from the GAA, the government and sponsors. Let's ignore playing all finals and semi-finals at home. It's ridiculous even on the face of it, which is probably why some Dublin supporters try to introduce countless irrelevant red herrings to try and divert the debate from its purpose of discussion (stated in the title i.e., "The dominance of Dublin GAA").

We are open to other proposals. While reform should start with splitting Dublin, as it is the single most beneficial thing the GAA can do to help all counties, it shouldn't end there. There are lots of areas of agreement- scrapping provincials, voluntary amalgamation, equalising funding etc. But without a split of Dublin, none of those measures will make much of an impact.

You’re “ open to other proposals”. -Yet your not open to anything that might impact your own team’s advantages

strange that

or maybe not so strange looking at how you argue on this thread

Kerry have won a ridiculous 82 Munster titles and 38 All Ireland titles total domination , stop the anti Dublin nonsense and propose a solution to deal with all the problems in the GAA . What County are you from Charles ?

Would it possibly be a County that would benefit from Dublin being split i wonder ?🙄

The Kerry poster hid this for years lol…….