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Site is a graveyard - How can boards save itself? [Threadbanned users in 1st post]

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  • Administrators, Boards.ie Employee, Boards Employee 2, Boards Employee 3 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Mike


    Okay! This thread has started to fall apart and become yet another thread for senseless bickering. It was going very well and we have had some very good and constructive suggestions and criticisms.
    I will closed this thread at the end of the day. I think it has run its course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,349 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Well personally I think re-regging and re-surfacing in the same thread in say Current Affairs or Politics more times than not is done for dishonest reasons, when they misrepresent themselves as 'new' to the discussion. Either to evade a ban or because they were found out making some dodgy claim before and disappeared and are now trying to worm their way back.

    If a brand new account pops into a thread (and we've seen many say in the Russia thread) and starts trolling the thread, in their posts displaying obviously old knowledge of the thread, they are clearly a rereg troll. I don't think reporting them as a rereg troll should be subject to sanction.

    This is different to someone re-regging for valid reasons (lost access to old account, had asked personal question in such a forum) and then posting regularly elsewhere.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Your prejudices are very obvious. That's fine, each to their own, but don't pretend to be some great liberal.

    What's there to get over? There are several disadvantages to increasing years as no doubt you're aware of yourself. But some of the advantages are both wisdom acquired and a willingness to share it without really caring what people think :)



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,603 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    One last suggestion - accept that Vanilla can't replicate the appearance of old Boards and scrap all the modifications that attempt to do that.

    Every time Vanilla push their own update it sends something askew, and every time they fix that it sends something else askew. A site that functions as it should is surely preferable to having something that looks more like Vbulletin but constantly glitches?

    Thanks again to all the Mods, CMods and Admins who engaged openly with the thread (and don't forget to update us all 🙂).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,349 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I understand where you are coming from, but if 'raw' Vanilla is the version we had immediately after the migration… I found that unusable and a frustrating experience. It was only when some of the old Boards shortcuts etc were restored the site became usable again for me, and I don't think I was alone in that reaction.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Administrators, Boards.ie Employee, Boards Employee 2, Boards Employee 3 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Mike


    Thank you for sharing your experiences on this. Have any other users had this experience with the "raw" Vanilla version of the site? It would be interesting to have more feedback on this!

    Or maybe some users had a more positive experience navigating the "raw" version?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I posted this in a different thread on here but just for reference, this is what "raw" Vanilla would look like without any customisations.

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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,544 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    There is a lot to discuss. We want posters to know that all suggestions are being looked at. Some suggestions aren't possible, and I think we've already addressed those here. But there have been some very good and workable suggestions.

    I think the overwhelming feedback has been that many forums are working just fine but increased traffic would be nice. This is something we hope to address. There are also some very obvious problem areas, and these areas will be more difficult to sort out to everyone's satisfaction. It will be impossible to please everybody.

    This thread will remain locked once @Boards.ie: Mike closes it this evening but we will update it with changes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    I can't use the "raw" vanilla version, I use the Boards Enhancement Suite which is in the sticky at the top there, easy to install and makes the experience way, way, way, way, way better



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,349 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    @Glaecon thanks for posting that. Can you remember boards immediately post migration? I don't think it looked like that.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,094 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    I couldn't negotiate the "raw" Vanilla at all. I only went back to using it when some of the familiar Boards features were reintroduced albeit named differently and more difficult to navigate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    @Big Bag of Chips that's great that you're saying there will be feedback, but as I mentioned before that's been said on this sort of thread many times before, and then radio silence.

    Do you feel like giving a timeframe, or a commitment to when you'll provide updates?

    It's also a pretty wishy washy post tbh, you say stuff like

    have been some very good and workable suggestions

    also some very obvious problem areas

    Some, some….what are the suggestions and problems you are seeing, that can be addressed?

    You've said some things won't be addressed, or can't be and that's fair enough, but it would be nice to know which things they are, and which things you think can be worked on, before the thread closes.



  • Administrators, Boards.ie Employee, Boards Employee 2, Boards Employee 3 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Mike


    As BBOC stated. This thread will be updated when The Admin/ Moderation team and The Owner have had time to discuss and evaluate all of the information and suggestions put forward on this thread. There are suggestions that would require fundamental changes to the site which are outside our direct control. This makes it very difficult to commit to a time frame so we will not be doing that.

    This thread will be updated when there is something of note to bring to the users of the site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    Alright so.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,544 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Honestly, I'm not going back over 45 pages to outline that to you now!! Have a read back yourself to see what we've highlighted as possible to change and what we've already ruled as simply not workable.

    It's a 45 page thread that needs to be worked through. Discussion is already ongoing with moderators. Feedback will be provided, and moderators in individual forums will also be making changes that will be noticeable to the users. Charters may need to be updated. Moderators will be responsible for their own forums and will be the ones implementing any changes.

    As mentioned by Mike, some suggestions made involve changes to the layout of forums etc. These are all things that need to be discussed and investigated.

    Feedback will be provided over the coming weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,817 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    I, personally, think that the first “take away”, from all of this, is that the majority of the site stand behind the Mods and Admins.

    Yes, it has to be said, there is a vocal, and disgruntled, minority but, it should be noted, they are a very small minority.

    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Grand and hope you find some solutions and guidelines to help stabilise the site, keep current posters and attract more.

    To follow up on an earlier thought of yours as I recall - all moderators at various levels should be reviewing how they both interact with threads themselves, if at all and how they interact with posters. And of course, how they manage threads in an unbiased and fair manner.

    As has been noted by several people, the age profile of most boards users is likely 25+. It's not a school playground, lecturing and warning posters as if they are bold kids is entirely counter productive. It's an attitude that is more likely to drive away users.

    The site has many practical forums that are useful and largely uncontroversial, these tend to have lower participation but serve a purpose. Sporting threads also generate a lot of mostly non controversial activity. Soccer is completely invisible to most. Threads on AfterHours/ Current Affairs/ IMHO/ Politics/ Media matters all attract more usage and controversy and are needed to drive site use.

    The site has to balance reasonable interaction between posters with threads that are of interest and attract debate. Shutting down or censoring what might or might not be controversial threads is counter productive. We're all aware that other social media platforms like to court and even encourage heated debate in order to drive up stats and generate more advertising. It's a reasonable marketing approach. Just a matter of how it's managed. IMHO it's not managed well on the whole at the moment, too much personal bias and over caution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,793 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Yes, I think there was a very short period where the site was using the default skin but I think that was only on mobile. I don't remember the desktop version looking much different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    It's not often possible. Take this new user, wading in with great gusto:

    There's a high degree of probability that their previous moniker(s) will be found on Page 1. But which one?

    And of course, they could be a completely genuine new user of the site.

    Regardless, why not just let them at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,050 ✭✭✭blackbox


    Some people would like to cut it down, but I like the fact that there are so many categories and sub forums. It's a great source of information.

    I have no problems with moderation on the site. Undoubtedly some mistakes get made, but I can live with that. I don't see any conspiracy. I'm generally not in favour of closing threads.

    What I would really like to see is to get the search function back to where it was before vanilla.



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  • Administrators, Boards.ie Employee, Boards Employee 2, Boards Employee 3 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Mike




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    ? I'm simply referencing it as an example of why Beasty's mod advice is impractical. Surely one has to give at least an example? No interest at all in discussing the thread referenced, could be one of many.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,210 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    there are too many dead/overly specialist forums. to pick on the military forum; there have been 11 threads active in 2024 in the main forum, and it has six subforums, with a grand total of 8 threads in those active in 2024. why not unify them all under the main forum?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,582 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That takes me back…

    Politics used to have the main forum and four subfora: United States, European Union, Political Theory, & International Politics. We quite rightly consolidated them into the main forum since they were all but dead (save for the 2016 election thread) but of course the moment we did, someone complained and wanted the back!

    Feels like so long ago now.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,284 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    If there's to be a slimming down. My beloved Rugby League doesn't really need it's own forum now (much as I loved modding it for a pretty long time, it probably never had enough interest to justify it's own forum and I think the Admins were extremely kind to me in keeping it open).

    It could happily sit in a Thread in Rugby and that'd be one less forum on the list (preferably stickied to make it easier to find but the lads in "Rugby" might prefer it not to be clogging up the front page).

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,018 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Having a working search function would be great, eliminate or merge duplicate threads



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,649 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Having a hide thread or hide forum function, as mentioned earlier, would be useful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,261 ✭✭✭con747


    Can we bring back this chap?

    Pac-Man - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭Larry Bee


    While I don't post here very often I spend way too much time reading Boards and I'd really like to thank all the mods/cmods/administrators for putting so much time and effort into keeping the site running. Like someone above said I think most people are behind the mods and that they do a great job. There are some inconsistencies but you'll always get them. I'd like to see some more communication and explanation into some of their decisions - they may be making the same decisions hundreds of times a week and think its obvious why the decision has been made but the posters/reader in question it may be the first time.

    I'd like to see the some charters being updated or stickies put up to let posters know that there is going to be a crackdown on trolling and then the mods enforce it. I think that's the best way of dealing with that.

    I also think that there are way to many forums. I don't know if there is a way to see when forums have have been last used, but I'd imagine there is some ghost towns there.

    Also I'd like to see the The Cooking Club coming back.

    John



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,816 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Don't agree with this - it can be very obvious that a new poster is a rereg without being certain which one of a number of recently banned posts they are a rereg of.

    The mods/admin can use whatever tools are at their disposal to do a bit of investigation.

    Same with reporting posts - report it if you think something is wrong, then it's up to the mods.



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