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  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    not joking can you send me a link to that thread if possible? I’ll take a look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,538 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Due respect and all that, but people aren't going to apply to join a soccer forum when they probably have no idea one even exists on Boards, they are never going to see anything that's discussed on the front page.

    They'll never think ooh, actually I think Chelsea WILL win the League next season, and Pochettino IS a great manager etc. I'd like to add my insightful response so I'll apply to join the soccer forum.

    As I said previously, it opened up for Euro/World Cup before and wasn't bad, and that was when we had loads (and loads) more posters, including a few low-level trolls and I don't remember anyone thinking it was a disaster. If the argument is there aren't enough mods, they should make more of/some kind of effort to get more.

    If they want to trial it, mothball Groups, I'm sure they could leave it untouched and revert back to it if Soccer in the big wide world of Boards turns in to a shítshow.

    Just a suggestion anyway, I doubt it would be done, as I doubt anything meaningful will be done.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,081 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,852 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    I see your point, but, it is hardly fill out an application form is it, a one liner shouldn't put anyone out.

    Every Sport - including Soccer - is listed under Sports on the homepage, so not exactly hard to find and it contains the Access thread.

    There has been a lot of work trying to get new Mods down the years, believe me. There are only around 4 active Soccer Mods and you would be surprised how few posters actually want to step up.

    Mothballing Groups - it would be interesting to see if that could be done - with the issues we still see with Vanilla, I'm not sure could that be a runner. If it is a possibility, I'm sure Admins will look into it.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    Ohh yeah I remember that one now the major problem if I recall correctly was posters who were banned from soccer were using the thread to discuss soccer generally and act the maggot.

    Suppose it’s an example of why it might not be a great idea to open up soccer to all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,050 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    One could see Boards die another bit a day at a time if the CA forum changed to group access only .

    If people can't see what's trending on CA it loses the Current in Current Affairs ..except for a few in the know .of course.

    Not sure how that helps the site.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    @ShamoBuc id argue the more cumbersome thing re vanilla is how groups are a pain to find! Requesting access is not a big deal if you genuinely are interested imo.

    Besides it used to be more difficult you had to read the Charter and find out the two phrases in italics to demonstrate you did, which had to be in your request! I think you mentioned above that’s no longer the case.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yep it became infested with people banned from the soccer forum.

    Why was it allowed run so long?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,477 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    As a current soccer mod I'm not opposed to having an open access forum. I'm sure Boards lost a bit of traffic with Soccer going private even if a lot could only view the threads. It's not really for me to decide though, I'm only one voice. There is a yearly feedback thread which runs at the close of the season and that's probably the best place to get a discussion going on public vs private. Most of the current posters there may very well be quite happy with the current set up.

    If it was to go public access though, the forum would definitely need a good few more mods especially in the beginning and as ShamoBuc has highlighted getting people to help out is quite challenging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,477 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Yep old forum had that issue surely. Now it's just a one liner post to request access. You're right about the groups though, sometimes we find people requesting access that had been grandfathered in with the Vanilla switch and they didn't even know. So we will always tell people to check under Groups for Soccer now to point them in the right direction.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,852 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Looking for the 2 phrases was a bit of a chore - we also had to remember to change them all the time too !

    I think that AH Soccer thread that was eventually closed, could be an example of what Could happen if we opened it up again - but if the powers that be wish to Trial it we could see if it is in some way feasable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,919 ✭✭✭✭con747


    I used to just access it to hear about the team I followed but tried lately and I can't access it anymore. Is there a time frame that you need to be active or you get removed? I never posted so was never banned!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,655 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Tbf the reason its only megathreads is because thanks to vanilla you cant just follow the entire "soccer" board anymore. Thus any new op's posted in the private group dont appear in the homepage and obviously aren't followed by any regulars (as it was just created) so it goes unseen.

    Before if you followed the soccer board any new thread would appear in your following section.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,477 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Just checked for you there you seem to still be a member. If you select the Groups option on the side menu it should show up for you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,013 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I like boards, always have since I stumbled across it back in the day. On my second username as I forgot the password for my previous one after a hiatus. The Irish-centric(ness) across a broad range of topics is great. Sure there is r/ireland on reddit but that's just After Hours/Current Affairs not much specialist stuff there. Also the upvote/downvote thing, I like reading forums in a cohesive manner. One could hear about something and come on here and get a flavour of both sides of a debate/topic. Unfortunately the format doesn't suit younger people these days. I'd say that's the way with forums generally and not just a boards.ie specific issue.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    We don’t really close threads just because they surround a topic where a forum exists already. some seem to think AH is only here so you can have a place to shitpost or take the piss but its really more of a general discussion forum.

    There’s few threads in AH closed or moved to be honest and usually I’d only do it myself in cases where it’s an obvious troll, the OP is lost and is looking for a serious answer to a question/some advice or it’s AMKC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,371 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    In the last two soccer feedback threads I very strongly got the sense that mods were happy with how the forum was running, how there was very little disruption, few flashpoints, little trolling, it was ticking away nicely.

    Yet few seemed to point out the obvious, there is no trouble because there is no anything, it is a ghost town. Of course there are no bar fights, nobody goes to your bar.

    If the priority is a tidy bar and less work for the mods then grand, carry on then. It will be nice and tidy when it finally closes.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,260 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Not sure how you got this impression.

    Firstly, in the feedback threads it is users who post their views on how things are going (particularly how the moderation is going), not the mods. The feedback from soccer users the past number of years has been overwhelmingly positive.

    As for it being a ghost town, Soccer is very active, probably the most active of all sports forums and one of the most active forums on the site outside of AH and CA.

    Making it public again has been discussed numerous times by the mods and admins. Soccer used to be a mess with trolls and re-regs, and the question is whether the potential increase in post quantity is worth the drop in post quality. So far the answer has been no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,918 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    One more thing, and it's more of a meta comment than anything really.

    When this type of thread comes up every once in a while, there is invariably a flurry of engagement from Mods, Cmods, Admins and whoever else, and they always say there are good points being made, they are being discussed on the mod forums, between cmods and admins etc, and sometimes there's even a promise that at some undefined future point they'll come back and give updates. That last part never happens.

    What I think would be good to see would be a sort of list of things from this thread that are being discussed, and then come back in, say, 4 weeks and outline the outcome.

    We heard you saying x, y, z and here are the changes we are implementing in relation to those points.

    We heard you saying a, b, c but there aren't really any changes we can make there due to restraints of Vanilla

    We heard you saying m, n, o and we don't think the points were constructive, and we think we are doing ok on those things and nothing will be changing

    Then leave the thread open for a further week for any feedback in relation to decisions made, then close it.

    I don't want to go digging for previous threads, but it's almost guaranteed to be the case that the eventually get locked, piddle out and there is never any feedback about the feedback - it'd be amazing, if this time that was different.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,240 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Absolutely!

    I know posters don't know what's going on in the background and often it can seem like absolutely nothing is being done. But there is always discussion ongoing in the background. Always.

    Lots of the issues posters have raised here are issues the moderators are aware of. Bearing in mind all the moderators are posters themselves. So the things that frustrate posters also frustrate moderators. But sometimes it's not a simple solution.

    There are complaints of heavy handed moderation, deleting or closing threads etc. Yet there's also calls for certain posters to be actioned and their right to post be removed etc because they are rubbing people up the wrong way. This sort of thing is very difficult to call. And whatever decision is made will inevitably annoy someone!

    We will bring feedback to the thread. That's something that should be done. Posters really have invested a lot of time and consideration into providing feedback. I know we have acknowledged it all and we do appreciate the time people have taken. We've ruled out some suggestions on the thread already, but have absolutely taken other suggestions back to the moderators. All moderators have been asked to read this thread and we even have a feedback-on-the-feedback thread running ourselves at the moment!

    I've said it already on thread, there's not going to be one quick fix to the issues people are having. It will be an ongoing process to make Boards.ie the type of place the huge majority of posters who are already here want to remain in and continue contributing to. But - it's the internet. There will always be the cranks and the loons! But I think what this thread has shown is the majority of posters here are looking for the same thing. A community where we can discuss, debate, argue, advise, have a laugh at the trivial stuff and support posters with difficult stuff. I honestly do believe the majority of posters want that, and indeed already do that! So we just need to deal with the minority.

    Changes will be made. The posters are the community (moderators included). We're the ones who set the tone of the community. I think overall it's a great site, with a few problem areas. The problem areas will be looked at to see how they can be managed better.

    Feedback will be provided 👍🏻😊



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    If they're entertaining or at least every second one, what's the problem??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,919 ✭✭✭✭con747


    I suppose they could vaguely be called entertaining if that is the type of threads some want. If so have a dedicated section for them instead of being on every forum and being closed because they aren't relevant to that forum.

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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,240 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    If a thread isn't relevant in a particular forum it should, where possible, be moved to a more appropriate forum. Personally I don't like to see loads of locked threads in a forum. It makes the forum look very uninviting. Some threads will need to be locked of course. But (personally) I think it's something that should be used sparingly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,919 ✭✭✭✭con747


    Any chance of a Pondering forum for a certain type of poster to post away!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,184 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Human nature being what it is, I think a month of rigorous deletion of stuff would show the carckheads who post such stuff that it it won't stay up, leaving to in place is indulging them.

    As a matter of interest, what are the criteria that prevent mass deletion?

    folk have no right to be indulged, any sense of entitlement must be killed off at source, since it is just an imagined reality.

    over on AAM, BB replaces the delete button on his computer every few months!

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,990 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,919 ✭✭✭✭con747


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,598 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I've seen the weather forum mentioned a few times and it's a great forum.

    I have no technical knowledge, but always read it ahead of big weather events, the knowledgeable posters are very welcoming to the clueless posters like me. The snow threads are epic and always nudge me to stock up just in case, it was a godsend during the last big one.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,907 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    I still enjoy the site. I mostly avoid subjects that can get heated (namely politics and religion) so I don't frequent to CA, AH or politics - the few times I decided to take part it was short lived as it is very difficult to distinguish who posts in good faith and who's trolling.

    I really like that there are many users that genuinely try to help if you have a question.

    The gigs & events threads are very useful for me to keep up with what's going on and I have tried to contribute a bit more recently.

    The weather Forum was mentioned a few times - kudos to the posters there that provide good insights, especially during weather events.

    The current situation in the soccer forum also suits me. Easier to have a discussion especially in the megathreads. Still a bit of tribalism but nothing major.

    I was also a big fan and frequent contributor in the forum games. Really got me through the pandemic. Between things back to normal and the vanilla interruption we lost momentum , it's a shame that we haven't been able to bring "traffic" back up.

    Don't have anything negative to observe - I don't post as much anymore, but still check daily on what's going on.

    Thank you for all the effort in running the site @Big Bag of Chips and everyone else!! 🙂

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,691 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    The last feedback thread in soccer had 14 replies, 5 of them from mods. The overwhelming feedback is that it's dead. Pretty much like the rest of boards a small hardcore of regular posters keeping it going



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