New England Patriots Thread Mod Warning Post #253

Minnesota have traded up to acquire another first round pick. They now have 1.11 and 1.23.

It would seem like they're targeting another trade up, and our 1.03 would likely be one of the targets.

Would need a lot more than 1.11 and 1.23 for me, though.

So Mayo had a presser the other day and said they'd listen to offers for the three pick but didn't say they were moving down. Either way the damage was done. There's no way you'll get the big offer you would hope for now because all other teams are certain you want out of the spot.

He doing a lot of stupid things.

Well if you stay at 3 then it'd be idiotic not to draft Harrison. He's the blue chip in this draft.

All the QBs have question marks. I was all aboard the Caleb Williams is a generational talent train until this year because he struggled against the better defenses for a second season and then his performance against Notre Dame raised serious question marks. Drake Maye regressed in 2023. There's huge question marks as to whether Daniels can succeed with the way he plays in the NFL and he's very slender as well and could be destroyed by a big hit.

I'm not against a trade back but I wouldn't be accepting two firsts this year and a 3rd next year as some have sugested from the Vikings. I'd be looking for a lot more which would be those two picks this year and Jordan Addison.

The 49ers gave up three first round picks and a third to move from 12 to 3 in 2021. The Vikings have 11 and 23 this year.

That's the most critical piece of business done thankfully.

We had four free agents that we needed to bring back. We've signed all of them, that's Dugger, Onwenu, Jennings and Uche.

Now we just have the holes to fix that we had last season.

So trade back and if they have a decent receiver on their roster try and get him and the early first with a second and get the left tackle with the early pick or vice versa. That would bring us a long way towards being relevant.

Oh I'd want a second with it. I'm not talking about an average receiver either. If the Vikings come calling I'd be looking for Addison, if the Falcons do I'd want London. I'm talking about game changing wide receivers. We badly need one of those.

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I think we stick at #3 and draft Drake Maye. No way we draft anything other than a QB if we stick at #3. Talk of a trade down has picked up a touch lately, with the Giants at #6 and Vikings at #11 the most likely partners. If the Commanders take Maye then maybe we do trade back. Depends on how we rate the QB that falls to us…. if we think he's a franchise QB, make the pick, if not, trade back.

using the old Jimmy Johnson chart, they’d have to give us their 1st, their 2nd and their 3rd/4th depending on whether they over/under pay. I’d prefer 3 1sts (1 next year) and a second from the Vikings. Receiver position seems to have more depth than tackle this year, so would prefer to use that extra pick on the tackles on edge of first tier. Not sure which quarterback I’d take in that scenario. Alternatively, if we stick at 3 and take maye, I’m ok with that too. Again, I think next picks are tackle and wr in order. Would be great to take Harrison but not sure we’d get the benefit given qb situation (then again, maybe he pushes brissett from solid starter to above average starter). One thing that will be nice this year is not having to stay up til 4 to find out what our pick is (unless we trade).

I've no idea what's going to happen but if we stay at 3 I hope we draft Marvin Harrison jr.

My dream is we do a tough trade with the Vikings where we get they're two picks this year and look for Jefferson with them. They might be happy to do that because he's looking for a big contract in '25. We can pay him. If they say no then we tell them we want those two picks, Addison and a 3rd round pick next year. We let them fight to hold onto that third round pick and let them.

We are allowed to dream so that's mine.

Anyway I prefer Penix to the projected top four QBs in the draft. His injury history is a concern but he was injury free in Washington and continued to play injured in the national championship game in January. I think he's way ahead of the rest as far as being NFL ready and I think he has the highest ceiling.

He's rapidly moved up draft boards in the last week, now being projected to go before midway in the first round.

If we could get that deal with the Vikings then we could take Penix at 11, and a left tackle, which has then become less important in the second round and use the other first rounder on Brian Thomas jr.

The reason left tackle becomes less important is because Penix is a lefty and we've got Onwenu to protect his blindside.

And I said it before him so I'm not copying him.

What channel.is McAfee on?

Feel Maye is a great pick for you but WTF are the Patriots doing?

If they were planning to even potentially select a QB to develop they needed to spend money in FA to put the support around him.

Real risk of ruining what could be a very good QB due to not having a plan and contingencies.

Maye is not going to do well in.the NFL, mainly a first read guy in college, seems uncomfortable in the pocket, overthrows when pressured and depends on his feet to get out of trouble.

All of that suggests a bust. And any player who depends on his feet as much as he does will never do well in the postseason if he turns out to be okay.

Not really happy at all with this draft. We missed the BB style of trade back, trade back, trade back! Imagine the amount of top 50-75 picks we could have amassed from pick 3 in round 1 and pick 3 in round 2?

I said it all along, if we were to stick and pick I wanted Alt or Harrison - and we instead got a 25:75 shot at a QB. The vast majority of QBs taken in the top 5 picks, especially those that are not picked as consensus 1, are busts. We got a bust in Jones already and it cost us a mid round 1st, now we're wasting a 3rd overall. I watched some tape on Maye and on our 6th round QB and to be honest I like the look of the 6th round guy more. But I am not sure either gives much improvement over a steady game manager like brisset for next year, and therefore we would have been better building up other positions and then spending the pick on a QB, keep those QB rookie contract years for when your window opens. Ours is firmly closed right now and this pick is not a way to change that.

The major positions that needed fixing were offensive tackle and wide receiver. We could have taken the Vikings deal and got two first round picks and taken Fashanu with the first one and Brian Thomas jr with the second, even traded back a bit and taken Thomas and another second round pick.

With those positions fixed we'd be in position to put a QB on the field with opportunities to perform.

We took a big wide receiver who never showed he can get open, just wins in the air which is a lot more difficult in the NFL and a right tackle, who never played on the left, as our projected left tackle.

It was an awful draft and I'm including Maye in that. He regressed last year, looks very uncomfortable in the pocket and looks to get out of there a lot without checking down. If he was doing this in college he'll be in full on panic mode quite a lot in the NFL.