The media unquestioningly accepting the whingeing of teachers.

Not strictly true. There are alternatives available to having LC Irish and the interview is only 10 mins anyway.

The other big issue is that qualifications are largely self declared. Due to GDPR there is no way of Hibernia verifying LC results.

Not that it is Hibernias job to check - afterall they are a private business offering a service. Its the Teaching Council's role to check qualifications and they dont check the LC requirements that are supposed to accompany the degree/HDip. Its a huge compliance hole in the system which is exploited by some.

I don't know why people continue to peddle this line of "well others have it tougher".

It matters zero that some other "insert job here" is tougher, or longer hours or worse pay or whatever.

Every worker should be agitating for better conditions, and more fool them who aren't fighting for better pay.

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Again, the colleges dont have access to the SEC system to verify what they receive. And as said earlier, there are other mechanisms for satisfying the Irish requirement that dont require LC results.

Back to the original question. Do you think a theology degree from a religious training college is an appropriate primary degree for someone to become a primary teacher? Does it stack up well against the education degrees issued by e.g. S.Pats( DCU)?

And the reason Im bringing this up is due to the pay issue. Many posters in this thread have alluded to teachers being under paid. I agree with them.

But, the pay has to reflect the qualifications. And unfortunately the baseline qualifications i.e. theology degree - carry a much lower salary worth than the traditional qualificatiions thus devaluing the job.

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Just a reality check for some here that need it, if it gets too much just watch the 14th minute. I wonder how the heartbroken petal would cope there.

I don’t get who the reality check is for?

Personally, I'd get out of sheep. We got out of them here years ago, nothing but a penance.

yer man thinks theres no stress in a 9 to 5🤣 everyone thinks the grass is greener. I'd imagine the option was open to him if he wanted at any stage and still is if the video is anything to go by, he's young enough

😂😂 You seem to be doing a fair amount of moaning yourself!

Do teachers get full pay when they are off every summer? I actually don't know that. If so, then they can either shut up and accept their situation or they are free to look.for another job. That option usually makes them quiet, as if they will never even consider it. For all their giving out, it's the same heads year after year at these conferences.

If I didn't work all summer I wouldn't get a cent from my employer so they are extremely lucky.

Not as lazy as this suggestion.

No need for the sarky smart ass reply.

So they are paid when they are not teaching. Wow. That makes them even more privileged than I realised. We all have long commutes but we don't all have rte as our platform to give out non stop about the woes of being a teacher. Yes it has tough parts like all jobs but having all summer off is such a strong sweetener plus you effectively can't be sacked, that so many of them will put up with it.

There is a need when your contempt for teachers is so obvious.

'Paid when they arent teaching'? Do you not get paid when youre on holidays? What is your job?

No we dont 'all' have long commutes. Some workers do. Others dont.

It isnt teachers' fault that the media turn up at convention. Do you think theyre threatened into coming or what??

The sacking of any employee in any industry is v difficult as has been explained a couple pages back in this thread, if youd care to read it.

Lastly and for perhaps the zillionth time, if teaching is such a priviliged job, why arent you one? Why is there a recruitment and retention crisis? It is clear that teachers are underworked, overpaid, under disciplined, oversexed (probably) and coddled by the media. Why would anybody not be a teacher?

No need for the sarky smart ass reply.

So they are paid when they are not teaching. Wow. That makes them even more privileged than I realised.

No need for the sarky smart ass reply when you ask and answer your own question (incorrectly) and then go on to state that if so they can shut up and accept the situation or find another job? Then even when corrected, you misread the answer and go on to claim teachers are still being paid when they’re not teaching and how it makes them more privileged than you realised 🙄

I’m surprised you got a response at all tbh, but the answer is that like any other job, teachers are paid for the hours they work, and they accumulate annual leave based on the hours they work, and they are obligated to take their annual leave when the school is closed. In full-time positions they are paid 9 months salary, spread out over 12 months, which is how they are paid during the summer months, and those who aren’t in full-time positions can claim social welfare, even though they may get nothing, in order to maintain their PRSI credits:

Will I be paid over the summer months?

This depends on the type of fixed-term contract you hold. A teacher who is employed for the full school year to provide teaching for a specified number of hours during each week holds a pro-rata contract. This contract covers the period until August 31. If you hold this kind of contract, you will be paid each fortnight over the summer, as you would be during school term.

A teacher who is employed to work for more than 150 hours during the school year, but less than a full school year, is classified as a non-casual part-time teacher. If, for example, you are covering for a teacher on maternity leave, you will be paid an hourly rate based on your point on the salary scale and qualification allowances. You will not be paid over the summer.

However, 12% will be removed from the current hourly casual and non-casual rates. This represents the teachers’ statutory annual leave entitlement of 4 weeks per year. The teacher will accumulate statutory annual leave to the value of 12% of time worked. Teachers are required to take their statutory annual leave entitlement during the school closure periods, ie: Christmas, Easter, Summer.

Can I claim social welfare for the summer months?

You can claim social welfare for periods when you are unemployed but your payments may be deferred or delayed because of the percentage of holiday pay you received while working. Even if the amount of holiday pay received means that your social welfare payment will be nil, it is advisable to claim benefit regardless in order to maintain your PRSI credits over the summer months. 

https://www.asti.ie/your-employment/faqs/nonpermanentfaqs/