Audi CEO: sale of ICE cars will collapse in 2026

Yes if using a fuel cell but most fuel cells don't have a lot of peak power available so it uses a battery.

They can burn hydrogen directly in ICE with minor modifications, storage is an issue at the moment but they can use hydrogen along with Co2 and turn it into a liquid called efuel, not efficient but do-a-ble with tonnes of nuclear which we'll need going forward if the future is EV which I doubt very much.

Some pretty amazing Nuclear tech on the horizon look up terrapower.

There's going to be a lot of very disappointed people who think we'll have enough electricity to generate all this power. Audi CEO just talking shyte to be honest.

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The anti ICE crowd would try their utmost to have everyone driving a Car with technology they want others to drive and would actually support removing the ICE from purchase because they feel EV is suited for everyone and it will somehow benefit the Earth, Where is the electricity going to come from in Ireland alone if we struggle to keep the lights on as it is with the data centres sucking so much out of the grid.

Has anyone calculated the amount of energy that will be required for a change to EV in this space of time is this going to come out of a magical source of energy ? Removing from the market cars people want, it will make people drive cars that are older and older.

As I said, a BMW i3 Rex type system would have reduced a lot of emissions because people could have had 200 odd Kms range on EV and use the generator for the rest, fill up in seconds instead of 30-50 mins or more if there's a queue.

We have 2 cars one is a diesel and I'm EV driver since 2015 and I wouldn't have one if we didn't have the diesel.

Well, I did feel like this place was rather dull without me 😁

BEV might be the future in a long time, what some people here think is suitable for everyone isn't suitable for everyone, there might be a breakthrough in solid state batteries but that's a long way off and it won't be cheap.

We live on a small Island and can't drive too far, there are a lot of people who can drive from country to country and can't be bothered with the hassle but EV is an ideal 2nd hand vehicle for those who can afford them. I wouldn't have EV if it we didn't have the outlander.

If this ICE ban does go ahead then a lot of people will just drive their cars longer and longer and maybe that's a good thing because we're a wasteful lot.

PHEV are ideal alternatives for single car families, but none are so good as the Rex sadly but a car the size of the ID3/4 could have a 40 Kwh battery and you sill get greatly reduced emissions and you then don't need a charging infrastructure or to hang around at chargers a perfect solution to get a lot more people driving on battery with the ICE there for whenever they need which can run on biofuel even better.

Hydrogen can be produced easy, just transport and storage are issues currently which is one reason efuels were invented and are direct petrol and diesel replacements, a long way off yet if ever but interesting alternative to alternative fuels all the same.

We're not going to decarbonise without a huge investment in nuclear.

The Anti ICE crowd are just as bad as the anti EV crowd.

I'm never paying 40K or more on cars again, it's a complete waste of money at the end of the day and If I choose to get another car it won't be EV either. That's a lot of money the Government get off me and Public charging is a lot more expensive now too.

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Even if they were cheap to purchase you'd probably end up with 60 Hp 28 Kwh battery and 50 Kw DC charging or average 30 kw. Cheap doesn't make them viable alternatives in my opinion.

When EV can do what ICE at the same cost then sure. But people are sensible and not willing to shell out 40-70 K on a new EV, this would be much better sitting in the bank locked away for xx years on the highest interest saving investment you can get. A lot of people aren't willing to go out and spend 40K on a car that depreciated heavily.

Many people are buying on PCP buying much more expensive cars than they would have in the past because Hire purchase and bank loan tell people the horrors of new car costs where as PCP just fools people into thinking they pay 450-500 a month and there's no balloon at the end, and the end does come or people will be endlessly paying for cars.

What can the EV do better than your Dacia from a cost saving perspective ? nothing, what can it do a whole lot better ? refill in a few mins and go way further on a tank of fuel.

I escaped lol.

Yes but if hydrogen is a problem to store, and you can liquefy it in the process + suck Co2 from the atmosphere or use industrial Co2 and have green energy to generate it then why not ?

Do you seriously think if was can hardly support all the data centres on the grid that we can power hundreds of thousands of cars off the grid ?

There's a whole new breed of nuclear reactor designs on the horizon that will be vastly superior and cheaper to build and I believe we can not decarbonise without Nuclear, it's just a pipe dream, but the sooner we realise this the sooner we can make it legal in Ireland instead of being always dependent on foreign energy.

The safety concerns of Nuclear are based on 1950's and 60s technology, terrapower are working on much newer designs that are very efficient, refuel every 30 years and produce a fraction of the waste + can burn the waste stored from existing reactors. Construction should have begun already in the US on an Experimental reactor.

While hydrogen is difficult to manage and efuel even less efficient, efuel has the huge advantage of being liquid and can be used in all ICE vehicles because if you ban new ICE cars you end up with what they call the Havana effect where people will be driving 40+ year old cars because they can neither afford the EV or because they are not good enough for their needs so if we have a drop in carbon neutral fuel or even better then why not ? is it because some believe the ICE doesn't belong in 2024 and beyond or because they don't want to see it ?

Nothing is the best option for everyone not ICE or Fully electrics so there needs to be cars that suit everyone.

Yes, charging batteries is more efficient than Efuel, a lot more efficient, if we had a lot more nuclear energy then we could make a lot of efuel, the reality is that there is no way our grid can support 100% new cars to be electric in 2035 it's a pipe dream but why don't they come after the commercial drivers first ? why arent the Government putting the burden of carbon tax on the data centres instead of allowing a situation where they pay almost nothing for electricity why should we bear the brunt of the cost ? whatever Ireland does or doesn't do has no measurable effect on Co2 to begin with but the corporations are the big polluters so come after them first, stop their electricity subsidies and tax breaks and make them pay their fair share.