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Deposit return scheme (recycling)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    If you are recycling properly then it might feel that way

    If previously you were putting 50% into the waste and 50% into the recycling but now you're putting 10% into the RVM's then the difference will come from the recycling bin

    So a former 50/50 Waste/Recycling split is now a 50/40/10 Waste/Recycling/RVM split but because you don't see the RVM stuff going out with your wheelie bins it feels like a 55/45 split now



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    As stated above, the commercial bin collection service for waste and recyclables was a boon when it came in.

    Yeah definitely an Urban/Rural divide story because in the cities it effectively meant paying when you didn't before and seeing twice as many bin trucks going up along the roads



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    I have bags, not wheelie bins.

    I was previously 80/20 Recycling/General.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,202 ✭✭✭Archeron


    On my third attempt today, i finally got my elusive refund for a pepsi can i bought last week. Girl at till gave my total bill, so i handed the voucher to ask for it to come off the bill.

    Apparently (londis) thats not possible. Deposit cannot come off a bill and must be done as a seperate transaction. I paid my bill by card and was then returned 3 x five cent coins in the transaction to redeem the voucher.

    They have absolutely got to be deliberately making this as awkward as they can. In fairness, thats how they get more and more free money, so its in their financial interests we dont engage.

    Edit, was a Londis, not centra



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭howiya


    Dunnes is where I do most of my returning. Haven't had any issues other than queues



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  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭AnnieinDundrum


    I’ve used machines in Dunnes and centra so far. No problems but it’s a PITA.

    Are there machines in petrol stations? That would be handy… I usually have my car when I’m there, I could store the bottles in my car boot in the meantime and I wouldn’t accidentally leave it behind.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Some yeah.

    There's a map on their website that has a few, I've seen one in the Applegreen near my office and a Top in Donegal. I know for a fact there are locations missing off the map, the machine I use maybe 3x a week (and is apparently getting emptied pretty much daily now due to use) isn't there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,315 ✭✭✭RetroEncabulator


    10% in the first few months probably isn't THAT bad. We'll need to see where it's at in about 6 to 12 months.

    There are significant issues with old stock vs new stock at the moment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    in the 2000s there was'nt all this city bin/greyhound/panda/whatever other bin company lark. bins had some crest on them and were sorted by the council or government or whatever. Then the bin tag came in at some point, and then they just gave up and sold it off to other companies to do their own thing and charge their own rates etc.

    it always felt free, despite obviously it being a paid job. it's like in uk bins are not free per say but its part of the pole tax or whatever. overhere it was part of some other tax. but as another user had pointed out, when we had to start paying for bins from other bin service providers, whatever tax we were paying previously for bins did not decrease, therefore made it feel like it was free or made no difference changing over in terms of how much in tax was still being paid.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    the bin com

    the bin companys should jump on this scheme instead and use it as an opertunity to promote their brand and recycling at the same time. maybe make some initiative where there's a seperate bin for depostiable containers or else people receive a discount (the deposits) off of their overall bill. even if its not exactly the full deposit, even a little something off would be nice.

    i know people will say its giving away money or something, but think of it this way, the "loss" could encourage other people to jump ship and gain new customers while encouraging recycling so they get a discount, instead of the usual spammy "hire out skips, and refer a friend, give us more customers" outdated marketting lark. Also make all recycling lifts FREE!. there's a good selling point and money to be made from this if they had their thinking caps on

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,676 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    That sort of idea would make sense but I strongly suspect that Green Party Minister made a deal with the retailers to sew it all up and direct the business to them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,510 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Ah here now that's conspiracy theory territory.

    But then again maybe as an ex GP member you have inside information to share.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    its not conspiracy theory, if anything its speculative but its highly plausible. We're getting screwed over here with the scheme and stuck footing the bill for this. Maybe irish law should have made stores take the hit or manufacturers instead of passing the costs to the consumer?

    might have sounded silly, but hear me out we should'nt have to fix their mess/their problem. Maybe woulda been better for US overall if the shops should suck up the minus 15cent-25cent meaning they make that much less now with this scheme. They're lucky they're still allowed to sell those containers, so if anything it should be an acceptable loss to them if they wish to continue selling those containers/products. Essentially tax the brands for making and using those containers! The scheme is more pro money than pro green. The people who already recycle shouldn't be the ones getting screwed, and if anything should be getting rewarded.

    From a green point of view they should target the root cause (people who create the products) or the people who throw their waste around. Or tax the shops for selling these products. Instead we're being taxed for buying them? feels a bit backwards. Do they want us to buy and recycle? or want us to buy and not recycle? either way they still stand to gain from either of those choices/outcomes. The table is tilted and rigged in their favor. Only winning move is not to play, purchasing a return container is playing by paying. would be nice if companies made tetra pack to get around this deposit like how coke zero start coming out to get around the sugar tax which has seemingly dissapeared now. i guess they wont for the most part as their costs are passed onto the consumer via deposit.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    There was, it is just that Dublin was decades behind the rest of the country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    indeed, and the country as a whole are still decades behind others as we still have'nt even got a recycling plant for out plastics, despite recycling being brought in now since ages back. They were just literally promoting recycling so they can sell our recyclables for a bit of easy money on the side, quite cheeky when they go around parading and drumming into peoples heads all this and that about recycling and saying its for the environment only then for them to turn around and burn it or pass the problem onto other countries, while making a bit of money on the side instead of actually recycling it like they told us.

    i've been saying for years that recycling in this country is one of the biggest scam's, but now with this new DRS scheme people are actually starting to see its true colors more and shine some light on it realizing we all been lied to about our recycleables all along, and what we were initially told about recycling was all bogus in this country.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yeah the 50/50 is just an example. In your case what was previously 80% now feels smaller which makes the 20 feel bigger



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Bin company pays you for each product collected as a credit on your bill. No reason for it not to work. Maybe technology will need to be improved but it could be done in theory certainly



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  • Registered Users Posts: 244 ✭✭Gary_dunne


    The Supervalu in Churchtown must be the best RVM there is, have used it multiple times, never had any issue at all with them.

    Went around this morning on my walk to the Luas with a bag of empties and only thought on my way that if the machines were out of service I'd be getting on the Luas with a bag full of empty beer cans, not a great look at 8am. Thankfully machine was running as normal!



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Not only does it not give back the deposit, it will eventually break the machine because its not like the stuff is actually being handled properly once yeeted in to the back of it. Potentially causing it to shut down before printing the voucher for what you have scanned in.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman




  • Registered Users Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭ELM327




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,519 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Some seem to have more cop on with their placement. One Supervalu had a recycling bin pretty much next to the machine. Pop in the cans that weren't in the scheme together with the one dodgy can that wasn't accepted.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    Tesco guy tells me the kids fruit shoot bottles that come with fast food meals are 'not liked' by the RVM.....after it kept getting rejected. Just threw it in the bin nearby as couldn't be arsed trying elsewhere.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭BoardsBottler


    YES!! i've had quite alot of trouble with those pesky bottles as seen by frequent readers of this thread. My ONLY solution for them has been to bring them to LIDL's machine's. Theirs seem to be the only one's that accept them. i made a last effort attempt at trying them in lidl's before planning on going through my receipts to bring them back to mcdonalds to get the deposit back over the counter. Luckily somehow the lidl machines seem to accept them, but sadly appear to be the only machines also! tried a number of different places.

    its usually tropicanna and fruit shoot that cause the most hassle, and every so often the odd can or bottle. i believe its their size and the shape recognition from within the machines. Shape recognition seems to have alot of trouble with smaller containers, and some even don't read/recognize the shape. The software inside the machine for recognitizing the shape is at fault and needs updating.

    They just want the quick easy money cash grab recyclables and to up their recycling stats at your expense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,558 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Goes to show what a mess this is, really the machines should not be caring at all about the bottle size or shape just that it has a legitimate barcode and as long as it has that it shouldn't matter. Had the same issue at a machine in Dunnes not accepting a bottle that I bought in Supervalu.

    This seems to be so badly thought out and implemented, it's almost like it is done on purpose to p*ss everyone off.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    They mostly don't accept them but sometimes they do.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    That what the Tesco guy said, speaking like he's seen many people standing there trying to get the machine to accept them.

    From above I could take them to Lidl but TBH life is too short to drive somewhere out of my way for maybe 45c if I have three of these bottles.

    I didn't know McDonald's give you the deposit back over the counter. Is that the case with all small shops etc who do t have their own machines. Also wondered what the deal was with vending machines in venues etc. guess you have to take bottle home again, could you be arsed.

    This is just another tax....dont get me started on the fact Coke now don't do 24 can slabs, they've reduced them to 18 all so they can keep the €10 on special price point (plus deposit).



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭crusd


    I though I was the only person here who was actually able to use the machines and who never had a problem with them. I was beginning to think I must be suffering some sort of Psychosis where the machines worked be finally it appears i am not alone.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I did it the other day. I was stressed as the machine was continuously rejecting the can. A whack helped relieved the stress and the sound of the can being crushed was also quite soothing



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