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Random EV thoughts.....

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Well this particular car was a PHEV, so definitely a charge a day

    At least they're trying, plenty of PHEVs near me that probably have the charging port rusted shut from lack of use

    I agree about most people living in urban areas not needing a daily charge. I last charged to 80% on Saturday night and I'm still at 48%. Not allowing any more grid charging except for the weekends

    I did manage a measly 3kWh of solar into the car this week. The rule of the weather is apparently that the sun shines whenever I'm away from the charger, and then immediately clouds up when I'm at home 😭

    F**k it, at least the house is mostly fed from sunshine now, I'll call that a victory

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,633 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Christ that sounds like an awful pain in the hole charging your PHEV like that every day. Reminds me of Mad Lad, late of this parish, who used to have to charge his Leaf 24kWh every day on his commute - working shifts 😯



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,723 ✭✭✭✭josip


    What became of Mad Lad ? Do he go back to diesel after his i3?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,633 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Nah he sold it and bought a Volkswagen ID.3 - hope it didn't bore him to death 🙂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,576 ✭✭✭eagerv


    No he bought a 77kWh ID.3, think he still has it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,315 ✭✭✭zg3409


    There is at least one charge arm installed in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,106 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    I know that NMD installed a few of them. A great idea IMO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭Patser


    Probably old news to some, but in Lidl on they are selling Type 2 charge cables, very reasonably at €120.


    Part if the normalisation of EVs I hope





  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Who'd of guessed that the real-world emissions from PHEVs are 250% more than the lab (WLTP) numbers. Consumption and emissions for Petrol and Diesel were much closer with a gap of 23.7% for petrol and 18.1% for diesel.

    On the back of this real world date emissions calculations are likely to be updated to give a more accurate reflection of the electric utility factor (how much percentage of electric driving a given car is rated for)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,988 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Whatever about the cost of charging/ fuelling up- I hope the chargers are kept inaccessible to the internal hardware, software regularly updated and cant be hacked.

    Very interesting video here:

    https://youtu.be/J_6BZDnSpGE?si=IID2c5Vl-vTpk7r6



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,958 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    another case of lies lies and damn statistics

    On the continent, and I think the UK to a large extent, a massive portion of new cars (i.e. first registration) are company cars. I saw a stat that for the Audi A4 something like 90% of buyers in Germany are non private buyers, insane compared to Ireland where private people prefer to take the hit on the massive depreciation when a car leaves the forecourt.

    Anyhow, thats the system. Lads on a short lease of mostly company cars and a large chunk of them either getting a fuel card or able to bill expenses, are the ones driving the car for the first year or 18 months. They have no incentive to charge at home or even on the road. Its simpler for convienence and billing purposes to just fill with petrol and ignore the plug in hybid feature.

    Thing is, when they sell it, people picking up a car in mint condition (but much much cheaper as the first owner took the big hit for you on depreciation) for private use are much more likely to care that the car runs efficiently, and for the 10+ years of the cars life it should be far nearer the manufacturers claimed CO2 emmisssions.

    Ironically, if you did proper stats on EVs and hammered them on what their emmisions are for the first year, they'd be abysmal as their manufacturing CO2 emmissions take a few years to be compensated for through lower day by day emmissions - they also have to be seen over a 10+ year timeframe, not the first year it hits the road.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 8,262 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Ironically, if you did proper stats on EVs and hammered them on what their emmisions are for the first year, they'd be abysmal as their manufacturing CO2 emmissions take a few years to be compensated for through lower day by day emmissions - they also have to be seen over a 10+ year timeframe, not the first year it hits the road.

    Latest estimates put it at about 17,000km depending on local grid conditions. Pretty much every EV has covered the manufacturing gap versus a comparable car in the first 50,000km of motoring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,723 ✭✭✭✭josip


    They are facts, and yes facts can be presented in a way to suit an agenda, but at least there are quantified facts.

    Here are some more facts that refute your "abysmal" and "a few years".

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭innrain


    Ironically some debates a study published by some regulator, don't take it lightly as there is a lot of lobby involved in impending publishing said study, with nothing but hearsay



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,315 ✭✭✭zg3409


    My old EV was a London import EV. The public charging cable was never taken out of the bag so it's likely the owner or company only ever charged at work and home based on age and low mileage. The London congestion charges of around uk£20 per day was a great incentive to go full EV. Definitely the UK company cars were big into phev that were never plugged in due to incentives. Even in ROI at one stage it was cheaper to buy a PHEV than the same car non phev due to grants. These have changed since and minimum battery sizes for phev have increased a lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,000 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Interesting content, but I think there was some degree of sensationalism going on there

    For example the idea that you can overheat an EV battery from the charger seems unlikely. The car controls the rate of current draw, not the charger

    Also this idea you could take over the car from the charger seems pretty insane. Don't see how that's even remotely possible

    Most likely attack vectors seem to be denial of service attacks, information theft or just messing people around. You might remember the Ukrainian company that got EV chargers in Russia to display anti war messages on their screens?

    One thing I'd like to clear up is the idea that anyone can connect to a device that has a mobile data connection. This isn't really true, those devices typically have a special connection to the network operator which basically allows them to lock down their connectivity

    So you generally can't just find out the number of the device and just connect in across the internet, and similarly they can't go connecting to Google or wherever

    One final complaint, would WSJ learn how to conduct an interview properly? I hate this short form content where they edit a whole interview down to a few sentences. They literally cut the guy off mid sentence at one point

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I think back to those times and realise how Mad it actually was !!! I wouldn't do it again !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,633 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Good to see you back around pal. Still in the ID.3?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    I have id3, 77 Kwh though never had 77 all the so called 77 Kwh had around 73 Kwh and I still have around 73 Kwh 2 years 5 months and 75,000 Kms later. I can still get from Carlow to Belfast from 100% charge and have 30% battery in less than ideal conditions and travelling the limit or a bit more and the heat up at 23c as usual !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Nice to chat again Unkel, I was inspired by a member here to come back. yes still have the id3 tour 5, good solid reliable car but the software, ergonomics are still really crap. The missus is driving it while the Outlander is in for Clutch work, it's driving her bonkers it's actually funny to see her so frustrated over a car lol .

    75000 Kms now, battery as good as new, 73 Kwh new 73 Kwh now. the 82 Kwh cars never had 77 Kwh available. I'd have a lot more kms only doing a lot of work from home last year and new job the last 3 weeks means I still get to do a lot of remote work.

    I do miss the Rex sometimes and still take the outlander at times by order of my German Führer ! but in all honesty there are still many places I can't be bothered to take even an EV with such good range as the id3 tour 5.

    And yes, the id3 is kind of boring, it's a commuter, family work horse nothing more. Too heavy really to be much fun, it's what, 2 tonne ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,633 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Near double the weight of my i3 😁

    That doesn't have REx, has only the 60Ah battery for added lightness and doesn't even have CCS charging. Best of the lot of them, I drive it like a lunatic!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Must be a hoot alright, the T5 feels like an absolute tank compared to even the i3 rex, though I don't miss it blowing around on the motorway, the id3 is so heavy it's a real nice ride on a motorway with any form of wind.

    I sure wouldn't like to be an ICE driver having a head on with one of these big battery EV beasts.

    There's more biofuel coming now and rumours of eFuel, efuel is worthy of it's own thread but I'd hope the Rex concept in other electric cars could live on as a result for those who would want such a thing of course. I had hoped for much better by 2024 when I got the leaf in 2015, in fact, I thought things would have changed a lot earlier but they haven't, we got crazy expensive cars now and 3 times the cost for night time electricity, I haven't switched yet to cheaper provider as I'm hoping for further reductions. I'm with Energia.

    And I was shocked to see Energia have ditched the full time night rate reduction and it's not 4 hrs only with more expensive full night rate tariff, we're really being shafted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,514 ✭✭✭fafy


    Very Welcome back ! You were one of those who talked about the i3 a lot a few years back, and educated tours truly, on the car, i have a 120 Ah, almost 3 years now, what a great and fun car.

    Am also with Energia day/night, and thinking of moving to a smart tarriff, to maybe Pinergy Lifestyle ‘EV Drive Time’ with 5 cent for 3 hours, if i get the batteries added to my PV system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,633 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    @[Deleted User] - "3 times the cost for night time electricity"

    Eh? I pay 5c nightrate. And that's all I ever use. And I get paid 25c for exporting. Right now I am exporting 5kW to the grid, only to charge up again at 2AM. My electricity provider is paying ME a big bill this year 😂


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    Thanks for the welcome back !


    5c 3 hrs, where did the full term off peak go ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    5c with whom ? and is that 11 pm - 8 am ?


    I tried to get solar PV but my German Finance Minister said Nein !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,633 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Pinergy community rate. Offer still available and you get a €100 welcome bonus too. It's a smart plan for smart meters and the cheap rate is only between 2AM and 5AM

    02:00 is the new 15kW o'clock, coming up in a few minutes 😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,343 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    I think the day rate is extortionate (is it 40c or something?), so it's probably for solar users only

    We moved to board gais Ev rate recently, 7c for 3 hours which covers all our driving.

    Estimating €13.50 for a 1050km worth of driving seems pretty decent! That's allowing for an efficiency of 16kWh per 100 (which seems to be the absolute worst case scenario we've seen, on motorway in the cold) and a 10% charger inefficiency, so it could well be chepaer

    First year of fuel savings will basically go straight towards the cost of the charger install, but year 2 will be all gravy 😅



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Mad_Lad


    16 Kwh/100 km on the motorway in what EV ? certainly not at 120 Km/hr.

    Considering the cost of new electrics now it certainly makes 2nd hand diesel a far more attractive option, in fact, for lower mileage drivers, EV makes absolutely no sense at all from a cost saving perspective.


    3 - 4 hr cheap window doesn't cut it for me and as you say they make up for it by screwing people on the day rate.

    The cheeky Government are raising the cost of petrol and diesel by around 15c/l over the next year due to carbon and excise increases or is it just carbon ? I don't remember, this is ridiculous and an obnoxious thing to do to people who have to drive ICE cars.

    Biofuels are making a come back and we might possibly see efuels, will the Government put such outrageous tax on these fuels too which are probably greener than making batteries at the end of the day.



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