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Random EV thoughts.....

  • 03-07-2019 9:52am
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    Registered Users Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭ Old diesel


    The main motors forum has the motors chat thread for the little things one would like to say but might not justify a thread.

    Thought it might be an idea for here re hybrids and EV stuff.....

    To kick off - i wonder if a new measurement for EVs might be assuming a start trip at 100 percent......

    A how much range do you get with a 15 minute stop.

    With a 350 kw charging a Porsche Tayman might do very well with getting on for 400 miles...

    A Leaf 62 not so good.

    Obviously where a car can do more then 50 kw charging we would need both a 50 kw and a whatever the cars top rate is figure*.

    *IF chargers are available


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,864 ✭✭✭✭ Calahonda52


    Random indeed.
    Thoughts: not so sure
    :D:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭ eddhorse


    I agree there needs to be general chit chat as the other threads are getting muddled.
    Maybe needs to be new threads for home chargers and options, individual models which we already have, BIK etc

    I do agree regarding the charging of various models, have to use WLTP and 1200 kWh ?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,448 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    This ad is over 8 years old :)

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭ Old diesel


    unkel wrote: »
    This ad is over 8 years old :)


    That's brilliant :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,287 ✭✭✭ n97 mini


    Love it. Sneaky dig at the Volt/Ampera too :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,797 samih


    And the same for the Zoe:



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,034 ✭✭✭✭ KCross


    The only sad part is that Nissan didnt push on from there and have a fleet of EV's to choose from by now!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭ charlieIRL


    KCross wrote: »
    The only sad part is that Nissan didnt push on from there and have a fleet of EV's to choose from by now!

    True.
    They have a small SUV coming out next year I believe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,797 samih


    charlieIRL wrote: »
    True.
    They have a small SUV coming out next year I believe.

    Hopefully it will be equipped with CCS and thermal management this time. Although woudn't be surprised if was built on the current LEAF platfrom again with recycled components.

    Any links charlie?

    edit:
    Nissan IMX sitting on the same platform ast he new LEAF


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭ charlieIRL


    samih wrote: »
    Hopefully it will be equipped with CCS and thermal management this time. Although woudn't be surprised if was built on the current LEAF platfrom again with recycled components.

    Any links charlie?

    edit:
    Nissan IMX sitting on the same platform ast he new LEAF

    No, unfortunately not. Salesman was just telling me when i was test driving the leaf.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,472 ✭✭✭✭ ELM327


    Same old nissan
    Abject crap that can't cool/heat itself and cant use CCS.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,902 ✭✭✭ McGiver


    samih wrote:
    Hopefully it will be equipped with CCS and thermal management this time. Although woudn't be surprised if was built on the current LEAF platfrom again with recycled components.

    Doubt it, the japs are stubborn people. They will keep pushing chademo. Look at Toyota, took them 20 years to understand FCVs is not the right path and that they should focus on BEVs.
    And lack of thermal management is at this stage by designers, deliberate so that the batteries degrade faster and must be retired to energy storage. Otherwise I can't explain it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭ Old diesel


    429 bhp, dual and 373 miles claimed range does offer scope for Nissan to actually change approach and cave in to having active cooling.

    Especially (even allowing for marketing nonsense) if this is to be a showcase for the brand.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭ Old diesel


    The problem with Nissan is their predictions based on historical data re how people will use the car.

    I've seen Japanese rapid chargers have 30 minute time limits too.

    So I suspect ePlus has been designed for that plus "expected" speeds on the road of 60 to 65.

    Hopefully those predictions change when it's 373 miles range, 429 bhp etc


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,522 ✭✭✭ copeyhagen


    im 100% sold on a tesla now, the wife needs a new car, I suggested a leaf.

    is that a bad shout based primarily on their charging type? would love to buy her a new shape but theyre 10k dearer for the privilege of looking better.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,028 ✭✭✭ Lantus


    New leaf suv is called kuro and hyundai is kona. Hardly a coincidence...


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭ Old diesel


    Bjorn Neyland and two other guys are currently trying to see how many miles they can clock up in a Model 3 in 24 hours.

    He has a lIvestream on the go at his TeslaBjorn live channel on youtube.

    Start time was 10 pm German time last night.

    Has a couple of routes operating on a circuit basis from one Ionity site


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,797 samih


    I have done just over 1600 km in 24 hours (SS1000 and have the cert) on motorbike around Ireland and in theory you should be able do over 2000 km (up to 3000 even but that would be far from realistic) on the Model 3 with suitably free flowing traffic. It will be interesting to see what the final result is.

    Three drivers will make it much easier. Driving for 24 hours solid is tough.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,448 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    My mate (with the Tesla Model 3) is also into the SS, got a few and wants to do the gold next :eek:

    Fecking maschochists the lot of ye bikers :p

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,797 samih


    unkel wrote: »
    My mate (with the Tesla Model 3) is also into the SS, got a few and wants to do the gold next :eek:

    Fecking maschochists the lot of ye bikers :p

    It's a good test for your limits especially if your route stays away from motorways. But yea, after many years of self inflicted pain I finally sold my bike last year.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭ Old diesel


    2367 kms for the Model 3 in about 20.5 hours driving.

    About 3.5 hours to go.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭ Old diesel


    Bjorn Neyland and his team are gone out on the final run.

    2700 kms on arrival to last charge.

    Might end up at 2750 for the final 24 hour total.

    Have to give Tesla and Ionity great credit for producing cars and chargers that are up for the task.

    Hopefully the ESB, Nissan and co will look at this type of pushing the envelope stuff and aim high


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    Old diesel wrote: »
    Bjorn Neyland and his team are gone out on the final run.

    2700 kms on arrival to last charge.

    Might end up at 2750 for the final 24 hour total.

    Have to give Tesla and Ionity great credit for producing cars and chargers that are up for the task.

    Hopefully the ESB, Nissan and co will look at this type of pushing the envelope stuff and aim high

    Watching that confirms to me, that Tesla are way ahead

    No other manufacturer can come close to that package in terms of efficiency, charge speed, cost


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,448 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Old diesel wrote: »
    Have to give Tesla and Ionity great credit for producing cars and chargers that are up for the task.

    Don't forget the new Tesla supercharger V3. The Model 3 is hindered by its low voltage pack (compared to some up and coming EVs like the Porsche Taycan) on the Ionity charger which will give the car only 500A so it's charging at about 190kW at best. The car can charge much faster at the newer supercharger (250kW at best)

    A new record will be set by Nyland when one of those gets installed in Germany. Mark my words!

    "Wind is Ireland's oil" - An Taoiseach, 25/05/2022



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 17,326 Mod ✭✭✭✭ The Black Oil


    What do yiz watch?

    Ev Opinion - tests/reviews/commentary
    EV Man UK - as above, some rants
    Emma Jackman (Zoe)
    Fully Charged
    Fancy a BEV Mate? Taxi perspective, Leaf
    Ian Sampson - infrequent as he doesn't need to upload as much any more.

    Don't get the time to watch much of Bjorn's stuff.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭ charlieIRL


    Wasn’t sure where to post this but was just told by Opel salesman that the EV Corsa will be here in March.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,912 ✭✭✭ Mike9832


    charlieIRL wrote: »
    Wasn’t sure where to post this but was just told by Opel salesman that the EV Corsa will be here in March.

    Did he say how much?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,019 Mod ✭✭✭✭ charlieIRL


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Did he say how much?

    they won't know for another few weeks. He wasn't too pushed on telling me to much info as he was trying to sell me a Zoe!! I only called in to get something for the work one!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 822 ✭✭✭ Round Cable


    Mike9832 wrote: »
    Did he say how much?

    I've heard the base model will be about €25,000 after all incentives.


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  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 30,972 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭ Mickeroo


    What do yiz watch?

    Ev Opinion - tests/reviews/commentary
    EV Man UK - as above, some rants
    Emma Jackman (Zoe)
    Fully Charged
    Fancy a BEV Mate? Taxi perspective, Leaf
    Ian Sampson - infrequent as he doesn't need to upload as much any more.

    Don't get the time to watch much of Bjorn's stuff.

    I found Zero Tailpipe quite good for the Ioniq before I decided to take the plunge and buy one.


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