Random EV thoughts.....

Old diesel

The main motors forum has the motors chat thread for the little things one would like to say but might not justify a thread.

Thought it might be an idea for here re hybrids and EV stuff.....

To kick off - i wonder if a new measurement for EVs might be assuming a start trip at 100 percent......

A how much range do you get with a 15 minute stop.

With a 350 kw charging a Porsche Tayman might do very well with getting on for 400 miles...

A Leaf 62 not so good.

Obviously where a car can do more then 50 kw charging we would need both a 50 kw and a whatever the cars top rate is figure*.

*IF chargers are available

Calahonda52

Random indeed.
Thoughts: not so sure
:D

eddhorse

I agree there needs to be general chit chat as the other threads are getting muddled.
Maybe needs to be new threads for home chargers and options, individual models which we already have, BIK etc

I do agree regarding the charging of various models, have to use WLTP and 1200 kWh ?

unkel

This ad is over 8 years old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn__9hLJKAk

Old diesel

unkel wrote: »

This ad is over 8 years old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn__9hLJKAk

That's brilliant

n97 mini

Love it. Sneaky dig at the Volt/Ampera too

And the same for the Zoe:

KCross

The only sad part is that Nissan didnt push on from there and have a fleet of EV's to choose from by now!

charlieIRL

KCross wrote: »

The only sad part is that Nissan didnt push on from there and have a fleet of EV's to choose from by now!

True.
They have a small SUV coming out next year I believe.

charlieIRL

charlieIRL wrote: »

True.
They have a small SUV coming out next year I believe.

Hopefully it will be equipped with CCS and thermal management this time. Although woudn't be surprised if was built on the current LEAF platfrom again with recycled components.

Any links charlie?

edit:
Nissan IMX sitting on the same platform ast he new LEAF

charlieIRL

samih wrote: »

Hopefully it will be equipped with CCS and thermal management this time. Although woudn't be surprised if was built on the current LEAF platfrom again with recycled components.

Any links charlie?

edit:
Nissan IMX sitting on the same platform ast he new LEAF

No, unfortunately not. Salesman was just telling me when i was test driving the leaf.

ELM327

Same old nissan
Abject crap that can't cool/heat itself and cant use CCS.

McGiver

samih wrote:

Hopefully it will be equipped with CCS and thermal management this time. Although woudn't be surprised if was built on the current LEAF platfrom again with recycled components.

Doubt it, the japs are stubborn people. They will keep pushing chademo. Look at Toyota, took them 20 years to understand FCVs is not the right path and that they should focus on BEVs.
And lack of thermal management is at this stage by designers, deliberate so that the batteries degrade faster and must be retired to energy storage. Otherwise I can't explain it.

Old diesel

429 bhp, dual and 373 miles claimed range does offer scope for Nissan to actually change approach and cave in to having active cooling.

Especially (even allowing for marketing nonsense) if this is to be a showcase for the brand.

Old diesel

The problem with Nissan is their predictions based on historical data re how people will use the car.

I've seen Japanese rapid chargers have 30 minute time limits too.

So I suspect ePlus has been designed for that plus "expected" speeds on the road of 60 to 65.

Hopefully those predictions change when it's 373 miles range, 429 bhp etc

copeyhagen

im 100% sold on a tesla now, the wife needs a new car, I suggested a leaf.

is that a bad shout based primarily on their charging type? would love to buy her a new shape but theyre 10k dearer for the privilege of looking better.

Lantus

New leaf suv is called kuro and hyundai is kona. Hardly a coincidence...

Old diesel

Bjorn Neyland and two other guys are currently trying to see how many miles they can clock up in a Model 3 in 24 hours.

He has a lIvestream on the go at his TeslaBjorn live channel on youtube.

Start time was 10 pm German time last night.

Has a couple of routes operating on a circuit basis from one Ionity site

I have done just over 1600 km in 24 hours (SS1000 and have the cert) on motorbike around Ireland and in theory you should be able do over 2000 km (up to 3000 even but that would be far from realistic) on the Model 3 with suitably free flowing traffic. It will be interesting to see what the final result is.

Three drivers will make it much easier. Driving for 24 hours solid is tough.

unkel

My mate (with the Tesla Model 3) is also into the SS, got a few and wants to do the gold next :eek:

Fecking maschochists the lot of ye bikers

unkel

unkel wrote: »

My mate (with the Tesla Model 3) is also into the SS, got a few and wants to do the gold next :eek:

Fecking maschochists the lot of ye bikers

It's a good test for your limits especially if your route stays away from motorways. But yea, after many years of self inflicted pain I finally sold my bike last year.

Old diesel

2367 kms for the Model 3 in about 20.5 hours driving.

About 3.5 hours to go.

Old diesel

Bjorn Neyland and his team are gone out on the final run.

2700 kms on arrival to last charge.

Might end up at 2750 for the final 24 hour total.

Have to give Tesla and Ionity great credit for producing cars and chargers that are up for the task.

Hopefully the ESB, Nissan and co will look at this type of pushing the envelope stuff and aim high

Mike9832

Old diesel wrote: »

Bjorn Neyland and his team are gone out on the final run.

2700 kms on arrival to last charge.

Might end up at 2750 for the final 24 hour total.

Have to give Tesla and Ionity great credit for producing cars and chargers that are up for the task.

Hopefully the ESB, Nissan and co will look at this type of pushing the envelope stuff and aim high

Watching that confirms to me, that Tesla are way ahead

No other manufacturer can come close to that package in terms of efficiency, charge speed, cost

unkel

Old diesel wrote: »

Have to give Tesla and Ionity great credit for producing cars and chargers that are up for the task.

Don't forget the new Tesla supercharger V3. The Model 3 is hindered by its low voltage pack (compared to some up and coming EVs like the Porsche Taycan) on the Ionity charger which will give the car only 500A so it's charging at about 190kW at best. The car can charge much faster at the newer supercharger (250kW at best)

A new record will be set by Nyland when one of those gets installed in Germany. Mark my words!

The Black Oil

What do yiz watch?

Ev Opinion - tests/reviews/commentary
EV Man UK - as above, some rants
Emma Jackman (Zoe)
Fully Charged
Fancy a BEV Mate? Taxi perspective, Leaf
Ian Sampson - infrequent as he doesn't need to upload as much any more.

Don't get the time to watch much of Bjorn's stuff.

charlieIRL

Wasn’t sure where to post this but was just told by Opel salesman that the EV Corsa will be here in March.

Mike9832

charlieIRL wrote: »

Wasn’t sure where to post this but was just told by Opel salesman that the EV Corsa will be here in March.

Did he say how much?

charlieIRL

Mike9832 wrote: »

Did he say how much?

they won't know for another few weeks. He wasn't too pushed on telling me to much info as he was trying to sell me a Zoe!! I only called in to get something for the work one!!

Round Cable

Mike9832 wrote: »

Did he say how much?

I've heard the base model will be about €25,000 after all incentives.

Mickeroo

The Black Oil wrote: »

What do yiz watch?

Ev Opinion - tests/reviews/commentary
EV Man UK - as above, some rants
Emma Jackman (Zoe)
Fully Charged
Fancy a BEV Mate? Taxi perspective, Leaf
Ian Sampson - infrequent as he doesn't need to upload as much any more.

Don't get the time to watch much of Bjorn's stuff.

I found Zero Tailpipe quite good for the Ioniq before I decided to take the plunge and buy one.

Mike9832

Round Cable wrote: »

I've heard the base model will be about €25,000 after all incentives.

That would be amazing for 50kWh and 0-60 8 secs

I was thinkg €30,000 for base

Round Cable

Mike9832 wrote: »

That would be amazing for 50kWh and 0-60 8 secs

I was thinkg €30,000 for base

And apparently, a very well speced base model at that.

ELM327

The Black Oil wrote: »

What do yiz watch?

Ev Opinion - tests/reviews/commentary
EV Man UK - as above, some rants
Emma Jackman (Zoe)
Fully Charged
Fancy a BEV Mate? Taxi perspective, Leaf
Ian Sampson - infrequent as he doesn't need to upload as much any more.

Don't get the time to watch much of Bjorn's stuff.

Pretty much none of the above. Watch the odd fully charged episodes but the newer ones are not as good as the older ones from a few years ago.


I watch the following pretty regularly:
TeslaBjorn
Liketesla
webacktesla
james cooke
Transport evolved
TFL Car/TFL truck (they do interesting reviews, currently own a tm3)


And then one or two others that pop up.

Mike9832

Round Cable wrote: »

And apparently, a very well speced base model at that.

Looks a class EV too

It's £26,000 cash after goverment grant in the UK for this model

Surely that will be more here?

Not sure of this is base model

https://www.vauxhall.co.uk/cars/new-corsa/offers-finance/flexible-pcp.html

KCross

ELM327 wrote: »

Pretty much none of the above. Watch the odd fully charged episodes but the newer ones are not as good as the older ones from a few years ago.


I watch the following pretty regularly:
TeslaBjorn
Liketesla
webacktesla
james cooke
Transport evolved
TFL Car/TFL truck (they do interesting reviews, currently own a tm3)


And then one or two others that pop up.

But you're not watching liketesla for its in-depth reviews!

KCross

Mike9832 wrote: »

Looks a class EV too

It's £26,000 cash after goverment grant in the UK for this model

Surely that will be more here?

Not sure of this is base model

https://www.vauxhall.co.uk/cars/new-corsa/offers-finance/flexible-pcp.html

That would equate to about €29k after grant here, if it was a direct conversion.

Interesting that they also say it has 11kW AC charging as standard.... I hope they offer that here.

Old diesel

Mike9832 wrote: »

Round Cable wrote: »

And apparently, a very well speced base model at that.

Looks a class EV too

It's £26,000 cash after goverment grant in the UK for this model

Surely that will be more here?

Not sure of this is base model

https://www.vauxhall.co.uk/cars/new-corsa/offers-finance/flexible-pcp.html

Not necessarily - look at how the MINIs price converted from the 24,900 sterling to the price it is here.

Remember that MINI may be factoring a WTO tarriff into their Irish price as ALL the cars will come after the current Brexit date of October 31st (WTO tarriff will apply as it's a UK built car).

The opposite scenario applies to the Corsa - WTO tarriff for UK cars as I assume Corsa NOT built in UK.

Irish price thus wont have a WTO tarriff on it.

It's possible that neither the Irish MINI EV or UK eCorsa price include the tarriff cost but to my mind that's epically stupid by MINI and Vauxhall on cars that are 100 percent after October 31st sales.

Daimler (Mercedes-Benz etc.) just announced that they lost 1.6 billion in the last quarter down from 2.6 billion profit this time last year. They are saying that it's due to dieselgate and airbag recalls but seeing how well Tesla is competing with their bread and butter models makes you think...

The Black Oil

ELM327 wrote: »

Pretty much none of the above. Watch the odd fully charged episodes but the newer ones are not as good as the older ones from a few years ago.


I watch the following pretty regularly:
TeslaBjorn
Liketesla
webacktesla
james cooke
Transport evolved
TFL Car/TFL truck (they do interesting reviews, currently own a tm3)


And then one or two others that pop up.

Bjorn met Robert Llewellyn a while ago. Was hoping for a follow up chat video from that, but think FC by their own admission aren't the quickest on the production end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCFv4USce_U

I sometimes watch Bob Flavin too. He's started going on a lot about subscribing recently which is an instant no from me when someone mentions it multiple times in a video. Mind you, sort of cancelled that out with his ecars rant.

DrPhilG

The Black Oil wrote: »

I sometimes watch Bob Flavin too.

Watched one of his early videos where he was clearly (I hope) playing dumb with charging the car. Couldn't figure out which socket was for the car he was testing.

Haven't bothered since.

Old diesel

DrPhilG wrote: »

The Black Oil wrote: »

I sometimes watch Bob Flavin too.

Watched one of his early videos where he was clearly (I hope) playing dumb with charging the car. Couldn't figure out which socket was for the car he was testing.

Haven't bothered since.

Was that the Ioniq video where he tried starting the AC or CCS by hitting the button for Chademo?????.

And then wondering why it didn't work.

I watch a variety of youtube videos and I think all the various people have their good and not so good days.

The thing to remember about most of them is that it's a sideline for many of them.

If I could only watch one - it would be Bjorn - his testing looks dependable - and he can be funny

DrPhilG

Old diesel wrote: »

Was that the Ioniq video where he tried starting the AC or CCS by hitting the button for Chademo?????.

Yeah that was it.

eskerman

The elephant in the room with EVs is at present I think for every €10 fuel in the tank the taxman gets about €7.50 give or take and this is massive revenue stream that goes to central exchequer - how will this cash cow be replaced when EVs take hold ?

The Black Oil

DrPhilG wrote: »

Watched one of his early videos where he was clearly (I hope) playing dumb with charging the car. Couldn't figure out which socket was for the car he was testing.

Haven't bothered since.

Rings a bell. It does seem that sometimes traditional reviewers are happy to find something to bash EVs.

Mickeroo

Yeah that was hilarious and infuriating to watch all at once, but Bob is very good besides that one vid imo.

unkel

Lads, Bob did that on purpose. Funny how so many people fell for it.

Mickeroo

unkel wrote: »

Lads, Bob did that on purpose. Funny how so many people fell for it.

Where did you hear that?

KCross

eskerman wrote: »

The elephant in the room with EVs is at present I think for every €10 fuel in the tank the taxman gets about €7.50 give or take and this is massive revenue stream that goes to central exchequer - how will this cash cow be replaced when EVs take hold ?

From the taxpayer of course, just not from selling petrol/diesel.

DrPhilG

unkel wrote: »

Lads, Bob did that on purpose. Funny how so many people fell for it.

There are no good reasons to do that on purpose unless you're deliberately trying to paint EVs in a bad light. Only reasons are:

1 - to make yourself look extremely thick

or

2 - to make the charging process look more difficult than it is

unkel

1 - is close. Make yourself (a respected morning journo) look so extremely thick, that it really is beyond plausible.

The penny dropped for me after watching a few minutes of it