My electricity company pays for all the fuel for all my 3 EVs. For all my hot water, for some home heating, for all my home electricity and then they give me a couple grand in cash on top. But you rather pay for your own? 😉
Too much effort, I'd rather pay for diesel !🤣
In your case with 17c import and 21c export, the 20% or so round trip losses of storing night rate in your battery and then exporting to the grid during the day, kill any profit that you may have. Plus put unnecessary cycles on the battery and use on the inverter.
In my case with 5c import and 25c export, it's a different story!
I got 16 Kwh/100 Kms average total trip from Carlow to the work site here in Blanch doing speed limits and more on N7 some 130 stints on M9.
Yes use the night rate. Somebody else is using what you are generating and its better overall for the environment as you are balancing out pressure on the grid.
Absolutely and anyone who doesn't have all their Iot devices on Guest is mad !
Yes, you should soak all night rate to bring battery to max along with dishwasher/EV etc and then export to the max of your NC6, does not make sense anymore to consume PV into battery unless excess above NC6
I use the car for that only the EVSE to allow bi directional charging currently stands at around 7 or 8,000 Euros of course, I think there is only one that I know of. It would be fantastic to use the id3 for this as it's already enabled.
Now is around the time when I'm gradually reducing the rate at which my battery charges at as I might only need it to be at ~40% by 8am when my day rate period starts to have just enough in it to get me to a time when the panels start generating enough to cover the house load and also start charging the battery, but as its going to be my first solar summer with a smart (day/night) meter (so metered export) and given my export rate is €0.21/kWh, and my night rate is €0.17/kWh, I'm thinking from an economical point of view I should still be charging my home battery to 100% every night, and doing all my car charging, and clothes/dish washing during the night rate as well thus maximising the amount I export the following day because for every kWh I continue to use the previous night, is a kWh I will export and earn ~€0.04 on the next day... but from an environmental point of view I'm thinking I should screw that 4c saving and try to use as little from the grid as possible!!
As I type this my Eddi just kicked in beside me here, so the battery is now full (from 42% at 8am), 2 clothes washes and 3 dishwasher cycles have been run, so I've just ran down and plugged in the car and it's now charging at 2.3kW, which will give me roughly 4.6% an hour.. or 15km/h of range.. and I should get at least 10%-15% in it today.
I like saving money but I also like driving around on the sun and using it to wash and cook things.... total mileage today will only be 5.2km, so I end the day with more range than I started the day with.. and I like that. but I also like saving money!!
@witnessmenow - "I think the day rate is extortionate (is it 40c or something?), so it's probably for solar users only"
Yeah around 40c. Not relevant to me, I only ever buy at 5c. And no, you don't need solar to only use 5c electricity, but you do need a home battery that is large enough to charge up at night what you are going to use during the day. You do need an officially ESB registered solar installation, to avail of the extremely generous feed in tariff though (getting paid for export)
One thing I'd like to clear up is the idea that anyone can connect to a device that has a mobile data connection. This isn't really true, those devices typically have a special connection to the network operator which basically allows them to lock down their connectivity
"typically" is the appropriate word there.
The Leaf had a glaring hole in its security where anyone could communicate with any Leaf (turn on heating etc) anywhere in the world by simply knowing the VIN of the car, which is displayed on the windscreen so easily scraped.
They plugged the gap once it became known, but companies quite often dont take security seriously.
Ioniq 38.
But you're right to doubt me! I went through my messages to my wife and the usage the week I was doing 90% motorway (at 120) was 16.8.
I'm very confident our average consumption will be less than 16 though as 3 weeks out of 4 we just use it for the local school runs and it's usually in the 11-14 kind of range for that. My wife even sent a photo at the school one day of less than 10
Dunnes doing a special offer on aluminium foil this week as well.
I have a few IOT devices around the house that I dont trust, including my home charger. As a result, I operate them on my Guest wifi network so it is separate from home network. Its not a fool-proof security measure as my network could still be compromised by someone with decent hacking capabilities, but it does help minimise the low-level threats.
16 Kwh/100 km on the motorway in what EV ? certainly not at 120 Km/hr.
Considering the cost of new electrics now it certainly makes 2nd hand diesel a far more attractive option, in fact, for lower mileage drivers, EV makes absolutely no sense at all from a cost saving perspective.
3 - 4 hr cheap window doesn't cut it for me and as you say they make up for it by screwing people on the day rate.
The cheeky Government are raising the cost of petrol and diesel by around 15c/l over the next year due to carbon and excise increases or is it just carbon ? I don't remember, this is ridiculous and an obnoxious thing to do to people who have to drive ICE cars.
Biofuels are making a come back and we might possibly see efuels, will the Government put such outrageous tax on these fuels too which are probably greener than making batteries at the end of the day.
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I think the day rate is extortionate (is it 40c or something?), so it's probably for solar users only
We moved to board gais Ev rate recently, 7c for 3 hours which covers all our driving.
Estimating €13.50 for a 1050km worth of driving seems pretty decent! That's allowing for an efficiency of 16kWh per 100 (which seems to be the absolute worst case scenario we've seen, on motorway in the cold) and a 10% charger inefficiency, so it could well be chepaer
First year of fuel savings will basically go straight towards the cost of the charger install, but year 2 will be all gravy 😅
Pinergy community rate. Offer still available and you get a €100 welcome bonus too. It's a smart plan for smart meters and the cheap rate is only between 2AM and 5AM
02:00 is the new 15kW o'clock, coming up in a few minutes 😎
5c with whom ? and is that 11 pm - 8 am ?
I tried to get solar PV but my German Finance Minister said Nein !
Thanks for the welcome back !
5c 3 hrs, where did the full term off peak go ?
@[Deleted User] - "3 times the cost for night time electricity"
Eh? I pay 5c nightrate. And that's all I ever use. And I get paid 25c for exporting. Right now I am exporting 5kW to the grid, only to charge up again at 2AM. My electricity provider is paying ME a big bill this year 😂
Very Welcome back ! You were one of those who talked about the i3 a lot a few years back, and educated tours truly, on the car, i have a 120 Ah, almost 3 years now, what a great and fun car.
Am also with Energia day/night, and thinking of moving to a smart tarriff, to maybe Pinergy Lifestyle ‘EV Drive Time’ with 5 cent for 3 hours, if i get the batteries added to my PV system.
Must be a hoot alright, the T5 feels like an absolute tank compared to even the i3 rex, though I don't miss it blowing around on the motorway, the id3 is so heavy it's a real nice ride on a motorway with any form of wind.
I sure wouldn't like to be an ICE driver having a head on with one of these big battery EV beasts.
There's more biofuel coming now and rumours of eFuel, efuel is worthy of it's own thread but I'd hope the Rex concept in other electric cars could live on as a result for those who would want such a thing of course. I had hoped for much better by 2024 when I got the leaf in 2015, in fact, I thought things would have changed a lot earlier but they haven't, we got crazy expensive cars now and 3 times the cost for night time electricity, I haven't switched yet to cheaper provider as I'm hoping for further reductions. I'm with Energia.
And I was shocked to see Energia have ditched the full time night rate reduction and it's not 4 hrs only with more expensive full night rate tariff, we're really being shafted.
Near double the weight of my i3 😁
That doesn't have REx, has only the 60Ah battery for added lightness and doesn't even have CCS charging. Best of the lot of them, I drive it like a lunatic!
Nice to chat again Unkel, I was inspired by a member here to come back. yes still have the id3 tour 5, good solid reliable car but the software, ergonomics are still really crap. The missus is driving it while the Outlander is in for Clutch work, it's driving her bonkers it's actually funny to see her so frustrated over a car lol .
75000 Kms now, battery as good as new, 73 Kwh new 73 Kwh now. the 82 Kwh cars never had 77 Kwh available. I'd have a lot more kms only doing a lot of work from home last year and new job the last 3 weeks means I still get to do a lot of remote work.
I do miss the Rex sometimes and still take the outlander at times by order of my German Führer ! but in all honesty there are still many places I can't be bothered to take even an EV with such good range as the id3 tour 5.
And yes, the id3 is kind of boring, it's a commuter, family work horse nothing more. Too heavy really to be much fun, it's what, 2 tonne ?
I have id3, 77 Kwh though never had 77 all the so called 77 Kwh had around 73 Kwh and I still have around 73 Kwh 2 years 5 months and 75,000 Kms later. I can still get from Carlow to Belfast from 100% charge and have 30% battery in less than ideal conditions and travelling the limit or a bit more and the heat up at 23c as usual !
Good to see you back around pal. Still in the ID.3?
I think back to those times and realise how Mad it actually was !!! I wouldn't do it again !
Interesting content, but I think there was some degree of sensationalism going on there
For example the idea that you can overheat an EV battery from the charger seems unlikely. The car controls the rate of current draw, not the charger
Also this idea you could take over the car from the charger seems pretty insane. Don't see how that's even remotely possible
Most likely attack vectors seem to be denial of service attacks, information theft or just messing people around. You might remember the Ukrainian company that got EV chargers in Russia to display anti war messages on their screens?
So you generally can't just find out the number of the device and just connect in across the internet, and similarly they can't go connecting to Google or wherever
One final complaint, would WSJ learn how to conduct an interview properly? I hate this short form content where they edit a whole interview down to a few sentences. They literally cut the guy off mid sentence at one point
My old EV was a London import EV. The public charging cable was never taken out of the bag so it's likely the owner or company only ever charged at work and home based on age and low mileage. The London congestion charges of around uk£20 per day was a great incentive to go full EV. Definitely the UK company cars were big into phev that were never plugged in due to incentives. Even in ROI at one stage it was cheaper to buy a PHEV than the same car non phev due to grants. These have changed since and minimum battery sizes for phev have increased a lot.
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