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Everything you always wanted to know about electric vehicle (but were afraid to ask)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,655 ✭✭✭Redfox25


    Depending on a few things

    Will the zoe do a return trip to and from work every day on a single charge?

    Even in winter?

    Can you install an ev charger at home?

    Have you factored in cost of charger?

    If yes, then happy motoring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,749 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    There's a thread on the Zoe here

    A overview here

    And

    I think you can make it work. But go in with your eyes open . There are pros and cons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭crl84


    7.2kms per KwH is under the (very favourable) WLTP figures.

    EVDatabase gives a "real world" figure that works out around 6.1kms per KwH https://ev-database.org/car/1128/Renault-Zoe-R110

    So a bit longer, but still within a few years, yes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,387 ✭✭✭KCross


    I could get a 2015 Zoe up north for around €5k

    Check that there isnt a battery lease on it.

    Check that you wont have VAT or Customs duty to pay.


    My commute is 350km per week

    Is that 70km x 5 or some other pattern?

    Is it 70km's with a bunch of motorway involved? You might be cutting it tight with an old Zoe in some conditions (winter, headwind, rain).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,786 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    yeah it is 5 x 70km commutes. One way is made up of 3km rural road then on to a national primary route where up to 100kph is possible for about 22km then onto dual carriageway also 100kph limit for 8km then 3km suburban with speed bumps, roundabouts, etc.

    As far as I know there is no VRT on an EV that is imported, at least Revenues VRT calculator shows that. And then for the VAT there is an arrangement where cars registered in Northern Ireland before a specific Brexit date (I think 2020) can be imported to the south VAT free.

    I'll ring a dealer and check out if there is a battery lease on them. If not being able to drive a car that will literally pay for itself in petrol savings over three years is very attractive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,414 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    i saw a few listings on used cars ni for the old Zoe's specifically mentioned "no battery lease", so seems like there is a few of them.

    Recently brought an Ev in from the North and didn't have to pay vrt or vat. As far as I know you need to basically prove the car was in northern Ireland prior to 1st of Jan 2021. (Or was only registered in NI). So make sure you can prove that.

    I think the range might be a bit close for comfort for your plan though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭jtkpenguin


    Total newbie here - I’ve just bought a new 2024 Hyundai Kona Platinum, 65kw, I work abroad a lot so my wife will be driving it.   She does a lot of local journeys with occasional trips to Wexford; Waterford; Cork; Sligo

    I’ve had a Ohme charger fitted at my house.  

    Electric Ireland is our provider & we’re on their standard ‘Rewards Discount’ package on a rolling contract.

    Please excuse me if these questions have been asked before: 

    What’s a good home Electric package to sign up for? Or where can we work this out for ourselves?

    Is there one specific payment card to sign up for or can my wife just swipe her debit card?      

    I’ve been told to start charging the car at 20% & finish at 80% unless wife is doing a long journey – correct?

    Thanks for your help



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,655 ✭✭✭Redfox25


    On the charging away from home, sign her up for ionity, ecars and eastgo. All free accounts. That should cover her while on trips. Download the apps for each too. Along with a abetterrouteplanner.com which she can play with to get used to the idea of route planning, sounds complicated but it's easy enough. Applegreen and maxol app could be handy too. Get plugshare too.

    I have tons of apps but do 95% of charging at home.

    Debit/credit card can be used on a few machines but not all.

    Foe electric rates, use switcher.ie on bonkers to have a look. It's different for everyone depending on usage.

    Congrats on new car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭jtkpenguin


    Thanks a million, I appreciate the advice.

    What about charging at 20% & stopping at 80%?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,655 ✭✭✭Redfox25


    Car likely won't charge the 12v battery below 20% so good habit to plug it in there.

    As for 80, car manufacturers recommend that as they don't want to replace batteries under warranty if they can help it. Just don't leave the car at 100% and sitting around and it will be fine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 983 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    Hi all, looking for some advice.

    Recently go am Etron and live the car but I can't get my head around charging. No matter what I do it starts charging immediately when I plug it in.

    I have a night time rate from 2am-6am and only want the car to charge at that time and that time only.

    I have a Zappi and I set the time range there. I set the time on the car to 2am to 6am and set an end time of 5.55am but nothing works.

    I am obviously an idiot but it is wrecking my head. Any ideas?

    Thanks in advance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,497 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Isn't there a thing in the Etron where you program it to do certain things when it's it's in a certain location, i.e. home or work or whatever, based on GPS settings

    I don't use it as I charge immediately when plugged in myself but I remember seeing something about setting up locations and charging routines when messing around in menus when I got it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 983 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    Yep, I have that set up and I make sure the timer is on before I turn off the ignition.

    I turned off the Zappi setting (so using the Audi settings) and I have it plugged in now and it is not charging but I think I was there before and it will kick off when it needs to start charging to hit the desired 5.55am end time.

    It's like the 2am-6am I set in the other part of the Audi interface is irrelevant.

    I'll see in the morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Here's a stupid question.

    Say you bought a Zoe or Model S with 22kW onboard charging, or 11kW, or whatever. More than the standard 6.6/7kW.

    Is it possible to create a Y charging cable, one end for the car, and the double end for either side of a charging post?

    Work have 7kW charging posts, with a socket on either side. Was wondering if you could draw from both sides at once (if your car allowed) and half your charging time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭VikingG


    No - the 7Kw is for single phase - 11/22kw is for 3 phase.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,083 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭Soarer


    Dunno, assume so.
    Would it say on the chargers?

    It’s a big manufacturing facility with additional wind turbine. Think we have 36 chargepoints.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,083 ✭✭✭✭josip


    There should at least be a model name on the chargers that you can use to check if they are 22kW capable. Even if they are, it won't necessarily mean that they've been wired up to 3 phase. But if the charger is only 7 kW then all the phases in the world won't increase its speed. If the workplace has its own fleet of 22kW-capable EVs for sales reps, then it might be in their interest to install a set of 22kW capable chargers connected to its 3 phase supply. But if the chargers are only a benefit for their commuting employees, I doubt if they'd have anything more than 7kW charging installed.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,374 ✭✭✭✭fits


    in our ID.3 all the car location settings were off and we controlled it all from the zappi. You need to have it in eco+ and the charging windows set for each day in zappi app. Hope this helps.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 983 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    Yep, that is what I had and it stopped working when it initially came back from Audi. When it came back with the a/c fix fully done it started working again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,897 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Rule of thumb I use is

    Actual Range = 0.7*WLTP

    I've never been unhappy with the range from my EV as a result

    WLTP is far from perfect, but to be fair the ICE manufacturers have been doing it for the last number of years so the precedent was set long ago. The one thing you will find is a car with WLTP range of 500km will have twice the range of one with 250km (350km and 175km respectively)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    slightly off topic query.

    i have a 1.0 litre seat ateca, it's a 172. its a SE Technology so only behind FR in the range. i am hoping to trade it in next year for 2 to 3 year old Hyundai Ioniq 5 or KIA EV6. by then the seat will have 170,000km on the clock.

    would a kia/hyundai main dealer be interested in taking it as a trade or due to the mileage would i likely have to sell privately?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭D_D


    I find it's closer to 0.8 x WLTP in my real world experience



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,345 ✭✭✭kirving


    A main dealer almost certainly won't want an 8/9yo car unless they already had a buyer lined up, or if it was something really special. They'll take it off your hands alright, but would only give you a trade price for it. Likely better for you to sell it privately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭gn3dr


    I bought this cable last week for use with an i3.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0CBJNLMK1?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1

    It worked in àn e-power charger OK but when I try plug into any of the ESB chargers the charger doesn't seem to 'see' the cable. I know the 22kw chargers are 3 phase but I thought the single phase cable would still work at lower charging rate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    I was half thinking that alright. I have no qualms selling it privately it was just if an offer was half decent then it would make the transaction to buy a 30k EV all the easier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Funkstard


    I am about to purchase an id4 as a primary family car, have posted a few messages on the bargains thread recently.

    We will not have home charging for the time being (due to sell our house shortly). We do not drive much week to week, just short local trips totalling 35-40km a week. I’m planning on buying the 77kWh version so hoping a charge every week or ten days will work.

    The easiest option for me will be to use a 50kW public charger nearby for the time being. My question is whether using this charger every week or ten days would have an impact on battery performance over time? I know there is advice not to use fast charging too often, but I’m not sure if our planned charging pattern counts as this.

    Thanks, if anyone has any feedback on whether or not we are mad buying an ev as our only car without home charging also, I’m happy to hear any and all advice!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,655 ✭✭✭Redfox25


    No real impact on the car so that will be fine. It's just the time you have to spend there, circa 40 mins, assuming cold battery and needing a full ish charge

    YYou won't save any money at this as public charging is pricy enough.

    It's up to you if you can live with it until you move and get a charger installed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,537 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Won’t hurt anything other than your pocket, public charging cost will be similar to diesel. If you’re doing that little driving, would a nightly top up with a granny charger be an option for the few weeks ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Funkstard


    Double yellows in front of the house so not an option. I do have family members with home chargers which I can always use, but being realistic calling into the nearest 50kW charger and doing the shopping will fit into my routine the easiest.

    Thanks for feedback, good to know using them regularly is not something to worry about in terms of battery. For the pricing, I can take the hit on in the short term as it won’t be any more expensive than what I’m paying for fuel currently



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