Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Yeah, I know.

But the term "calling a spade a spade" has nothing to do with that. And, no, I wouldn't think Pix had any intentions other than using the phrase as it was initially intended.

Depends who you think her voters are. I suspect a sizable portion of them are Democrats using the primaries as another chance to vote against Trump and some Bush era Republicans who more than likely will vote Trump in November. Their just isn't much proof that their is a sizable "Nikki only" base.

She may take her time, but she will fall in line with Trump soon enough.

They are not secret Dems, they are loud and proud Dems who absolutely loath Trump who view this as another excuse to vote against Trump . An article from MSNBC a while ago laid it all out. The primary and national voters are different things for the most part. I think their is a few open primaries but need to check that tbf.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-presidential-election

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The answer that reconciles those figures, or at least a big part of them, with the general election polling is that many of these Haley votes are likely coming from people who already cast ballots against Trump in 2016 and 2020 — and who are committed to doing so again in 2024.

For that matter, even as Trump is losing 40% of the overall vote in Republican primaries, general election polling shows no slack in his support among Republican voters. He took 92% support from Republicans in our last poll.

How could this be? Look at the primary results and you see a front-runner who is hemorrhaging independents at an alarming level and a Republican electorate that contains wide resistance to him. And yet, look at general election polling, and you see … almost none of this.

It’s possible, though, that there’s really no inconsistency here at all.

Start with the simple stuff. A chunk of former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley’s primary voters (23% of them in South Carolina, per the exit poll) say they will nonetheless be satisfied with Trump as the GOP nominee. So at least some of the Trump current opposition stands ready to rally around him in the general election, which helps explain why general election polls show almost unanimous Republican support for Trump.

And given Biden’s own dreadful poll numbers with independents (a 27% approval rating with them in NBC News’ latest poll), there are surely some of them who will be motivated to vote against Biden in November and thus cast ballots for Trump, even if they’ll never pronounce themselves satisfied with Trump.

But all of this only goes so far. It still leaves the bulk of Haley’s primary voters appearing to be dug in for good against Trump.

The answer that reconciles those figures, or at least a big part of them, with the general election polling is that many of these Haley votes are likely coming from people who already cast ballots against Trump in 2016 and 2020 — and who are committed to doing so again in 2024.

To them, these primaries amount to a bonus opportunity to cast yet another vote against Trump.

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It happens will all of them, Cruz, De Santis etc are good examples so I can't really see her being any different.

Yet during her speach Haley hadn't from what I've read, but it didn't stop a fundraising email from his team claiming she did.

It looks like Trump is another step closer to having a political party of his own now that he's got family members and proxies in charge of the RNC. The GOP may not be quite done yet, if those elected GOP members who are never-Trumpers can hold onto the original party trails and choose to fight back against Trump from within the organization. I hope they succeed and give the US a reason for existence.

They certainly have got what they deserve. I totally agree with you there. What is very disturbing not just for Americans though but for the whole world given how powerful the US is like or not is that the Republican party at this point is no longer interested in democracy but have now fully embraced authoritarianism and have as their leader a full on demagogue and wanna be dictator. That is not good news for anybody.

There may be some amongst those who are facing or were convicted of offences related to the insurrection Trump incited who see themselves as GOP members AND "never Trumpers" having decided not to be recidivist.

Some former RNC people are claiming to be under no apprehension of what Trump and Co plan to do with RNC funds once they get control the funds. Odds on the Trump family members now on the RNC will be very selective in where and on what they spend RNC funds.

Robert Hur, the lawyer appointed as special counsel to investigate Bidens handling of classified documents and who gave Biden what amounts to an all clear with his report on the issue [despite passing comments on Bidens memory] testified on the matter today before a congress committee.

Mr Hur retired officially from his DOJ job and position some days back which removed him from legal obligations/duties he may have had to the Dept and freed him up to give the testimony as requested by GOP members, with another lawyer linked to the GOP aiding him to do so.

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=9089a76c53c03b5fJmltdHM9MTcxMDIwMTYwMCZpZ3VpZD0wYjkyYjAwZC1mOGE4LTY4ZDktMzIxOC1hM2I3ZjllNTY5YzMmaW5zaWQ9NTUyMw&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=3&fclid=0b92b00d-f8a8-68d9-3218-a3b7f9e569c3&psq=Robert+Hur+to+testify+before+congress&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubmJjbmV3cy5jb20vcG9saXRpY3MvanVzdGljZS1kZXBhcnRtZW50L2xpdmUtYmxvZy9saXZlLXVwZGF0ZXMtc3BlY2lhbC1jb3Vuc2VsLWJpZGVuLWNsYXNzaWZpZWQtZG9jdW1lbnRzLWNhc2UtdGVzdGlmeS1jLXJjbmExNDI3OTg&ntb=1