The new recycling system

It's not rubbish. They are being left with RVM items for proper segregated processing. Putting them in the green bin isn't good enough anymore, didn't you get the memo?

Where was this?

Why couldn't they just leave it that you use your green bin in the gaff. Instead of loading up the car to drive to a broken machine.

One appears to be working. The sacks look like someone bringing in bottles they've been keeping since they first heard of this and then realising they won't get anything for many or any of them

yeah but will the barcodes be changed also? or just simply have only a logo added near them?

The extra bin will only attract all sorts of everything, such as used nappies, and not all in a nappie bag.

Here in Nenagh I regularly see folk stuffing the council street bins with domestic waste, or else just leaving bags of rubbish beside the street bins.

Was in Navan recently for two weeks, even worse

Sure they could just stuff a nappie bag in the RVM slot then, if a nappie is the kryptonite of all bins.

I just don't think it is reasonable to say, bring the items to an RVM. RVM out of order. And shove all the inconvenience onto the ordinary punter, while rewarding the supermarkets with a revenue generating RVM.

It's an inconvenience for the shop? But not an inconvenience for someone who has tried to do the right thing by bringing items to the RVM? But now is expected to take back the bottles, maybe ones carried on foot?

If the people did the right thing by bringing the items to an RVM. They are then the responsibility of Re-turn and their remunerated agents.

So, I tried my 4 cans of beer I bought in SUperValu in the machine at Lidl. Even though they didn't have the official barcodes I was about to get my 60c voucher and redeem in the store.

So, do I need to ensure that the cans are not crumpled or distorted in anyway for the machine to be able to read them properly? It's quite difficult to keep empty cans intact. And then, what happens if the machine decides it doesn't want a can? Are we to just suck it up and accept the 15c loss?

Totally agree and sure that's plain obvious that it's littering. It always pisses me off at bottle banks when someone has littered by leaving bottles in plastic bags, or sometimes just left on the ground, just because the bottle bank is full at that visit. Exact same goes for people littering by leaving plastic containers and aluminium cans on the ground near a reverse vending machine.

Bring the stuff back with you and try again another time when you can hopefully successfully carry out the steps required for an individual to partake in the recycling process.

Those who leave the stuff behind are selfish littering pricks, there's no arguing with that.

"If the people did the right thing by bringing the items to an RVM. They are then the responsibility of Re-turn and their remunerated agents"

if bin companys and the government did the right thing to begin with, with our recycleables, we would'nt be in this mess of a situation. Lets all not forget the real reason behind the creation of this re-turn scheme (asides from money and footing the bill on the public as per usual) and that reason is bin companies giving the illusion of recycling and not properly disposing of the recycleables and not even recycling them. The management of recycling was their responcibility, they choose to dispose of it in a non-responcible manner and just pass it on for a quick profit, or burn it, or put it in a landfil. But we get punished for this instead with being lumbered with this scheme, as ireland had no good stats when confronted by EU over this. For being one of the most richest counteries in all of europe, and expensive, one would think we'd have a much better recycling rate or some sort of system in place prior to all this.

Are we to just suck it up and accept the 15c loss?

Yes, but you are to bring it back home with you and put it in your bin that has gone up in price because of this scheme.

The idea that the can or bottle sees anything but landfill or incineration is slim.

Basically shut up and put up.

i agree its not nice, but its also not nice for one to have the mat pulled from under them when they have their hopes up thinking they're gonna redeem a bunch of cans only for none of them to go through and all get rejected. at that point bringing them back home was unplanned and unexpected so i can imagine why people just leave them there. Out of frustration or inconvenience, they didn't wanna add more inconvenience to their day after already being inconvenienced enough by this prior.

i believe its only littering when its going all over the place and dirty and messy. if its neat and standing upright in a bag beside the machine, and not in anyones way then that sort of okay. its not nice to see it just being left there because its an eyesore and it would send the wrong message to other people seeing others get away with it and then others adding more to it. the staff should be regularly clearing the area.

if someone trips on a can/bottle trying to enter the store, or if these bags pose some other sort of hazard, guess who gets sued?

I mentioned that I brought about 15 bottles and cans of various sizes to my local reverse vending machine. None had the return logo even though some were bought after 1st Feb at a higher price than the days before so can only assume they had the extra charge applied. I gave up after about ten items as it was becoming futile. Bringing them back home was unplanned and unexpected but leaving the items there was absolutely out of the question. They were still my items until successfully entered into the vending machine and my token receipt paper slip is in my hand. Leaving them there is plain and simple littering and I'd be a massively selfish cnut if I had left them here. (Exact same applies at a glass bottle bank in terms of leaving the bottles there if the bank is full)

As the recycling bin at the house was full to the brim in the house that I part time live in, in Trim, I ended up bringing them to my own house in Longford where I crushed up all the items and put them in my own recycling bin there. Yes, it was an inconvenience but no, I won't leave my litter to be someone else's problem because I'm not a horrible littering ba$tard like that.

Your personal belief of what littering is just that, your personal belief. It's similar to someone who drives over the speed limit because it's his/her belief that the speed limit is too low.........regardless of his/her belief, the person is still speeding.

Littering:

Wikipedia: "Litter consists of waste products that have been discarded incorrectly, without consent, at an unsuitable location. "

Britannica Dictionary: "things that have been thrown away and that are lying on the ground in a public place"

Cambridge Dictionary: "the act of dropping rubbish on the ground in public places"

It's already been mentioned about what constitutes a private and a public place but to keep things as simple as possible for everyone, if a place is open to the public, consider it a public place. If it's not open to the public......an office, your home, a prison, etc, it's a private place.

Not 100% of a prison being a private place but I can only assume you have to be invited and granted permission to enter a prison.