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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    A Russian win in Ukraine would be a disaster for the West especially Europe. It would encourage China and its ambitions (Taiwan) and might well lead to war with N Korea and Iran. The Russians don't take verbal warnings seriously in fact unless backed up by actions they take it as a green light and will keep pressing until they are stopped.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭zv2


    A discussion on drone use by both sides


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭silverharp



    the question really is what did the US military/Ukrainian experts think was going on?, they would have had a good handle on the Russian/Ukrainian capabilities and pipelines in terms of equipment and men, also it was probably the most observed front lines of any war in history so both sides knew whats going on with the other , the Russians didnt do anything exciting or novel , most of the tactics looked like a rerun of the battle of Kursk with drones.

    I wonder were the experts fooled by the idea "well they must know what they are doing"

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    China and the US seem to be the main beneficiaries

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,581 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Putin didn't go all in 2014 because he would have lost the world cup and that was a very prestigious thing for him. After it was over he got back to his antics with Ukraine.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The biggest issue is neither the US or EU actually want to beat Russia,I don't think there is any desire what's so ever to so , yes they talk about Ukraine but in theory and on the ground they have repeatedly dragged their feet,they promised 1 million rounds of artillery to be delivered in the next 8 weeks already in the knowledge that they couldn't or didn't have the capacity to deliver that promise ,

    Yes they donated something like 2500 armoured vehicles from tanks ,IFVs , personal carriers and new artillery but all in very limited numbers , Ukraine wants 200+ Western fighter jets they got 16 ,

    So whats the plan , so far it looks like they are drip feeding the Ukrainians in the hope of forcing a political solution?? Definitely doesn't seem to be looking for an all out victory over the Russians



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    The plan seems to be to bring the Russians to the table by inflicting enough damage to make it their only reasonable option. One problem with this is that Putin can't be trusted with any agreement and is willing to inflict years of conflict and destruction. Waiting for the death of Putin or step up military aid to Ukraine?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,453 ✭✭✭Field east


    What does beating Russia mean. And the US and the EU does not want Russia beaten !!!!!!!!! Yea, I do not want Russia beaten either BUT BUT I want RUssia to get the hell out of UKr including Crimea, Donbas and Luhansk and to weaken it to the point where it will never invade any soverign. Country again and leave it to its own devices and keep the sanctions in place and keep monitoring them so that they are not broken. Other actions should be considered to reduce to a minimum any financial , social , security business dealings with Russia. Keep visas to a minimum if not to zero



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    We all want Russia out of Ukraine I think or hope at least..

    But yet they aren't getting the support to force Russia out of Ukraine which has gotten to the the current situation, trench warfare and more gains made by Russia vs liberated areas by Ukraine as it stands neither side has the outright ability to beat the other,



  • Registered Users Posts: 35,816 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Ukraine striking inside of Russia is foolish, as every time they do it Russia retaliates 100 fold, Ukraine need to use those missiles on the Russians on their land. West needs to step up, help Ukraine more, the war is on Ukrainian soil, not Russian.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    As apparently a parasitical organism (and a light colonel to boot), I'm curious to hear the substantiation of this statement, and then compare with my twenty plus years since I commissioned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,015 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    They are viruses within the organisation, an anachronistic and outdated concept. They provide little in actual specialty, instead creating environments to further their existence. Bloated bureaucracies, focused on short term actions to deliver OER bullets. They create institutional inertia, suppressing innovation and dynamism in favor of risk aversion and ass covering.

    They are vestigial. Anything of value they bring, is capable of being performed by trained specialists, without the additional hierarchical nonsense.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    That's a... erm... take.

    There have been three militaries which have tried abolishing officers in the interests of egalitarianism and cultural revolution. (Actually they tried abolishing all official rank, even without abolishing the distinguishment of duties). Soviet Union (1918-1924, then they brought back in 'ranks in disguise' 1924-1935), PRC (1965-1988) and Albania (1966-1991). All decided it was a stupid idea and re-established them after a while. Granted, Soviet era junior officers often tended to perform functions which were conducted by enlisted in Western militaries, but at the higher levels, the job descriptions tended to merge with those of other nations.

    Officers are planners and co-ordinators, trained specialists in such areas. Or, in other words, officers figure out what needs to be done, NCOs figure out how to get it done, and the junior enlisted and specialists actually do it. I wouldn't dream of telling a Master Gunner how to do his job, but the Master Gunner similarly has not been trained in implementation of doctrine. He doesn't have time, he's too busy being a subject matter expert in getting the tank and crews to shoot straight.

    There is another factor which officers need to deal with but enlisted don't. The commander is responsible for everything the unit does and fails to do. We cannot delegate responsibility to enlisted, even if we delegate the authority. If something goes wrong, it's on our heads.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭rogber


    For sure Russia is struggling with manpower, just like Ukraine is, just like both sides are struggling to get enough weapons to make progress. My point was simply that neither side has made any major progress in the last year and the Crimean beach party predictions from some here proved as far fetched as the 3 day war predictions from the other side, so really both sides should learn to be a bit more circumspect when gazing into the crystal ball



  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    But I didn’t make a prediction I posted an article reported by Russians in Russian media and asked the obvious question why if Russia “has endless manpower” they have to resort to such despicable and quite possibly worthy of more war crimes actions

    You are the one on other hand who bizarrely immediately jumped upon the post for some reason and who went off on a tangent and invented what was not posted

    You can’t both sides this as Ukraine is not gang pressing foreigners into service, for that matter they seem quite reluctant to even expand the draft of their own

    Which raises the question now of why you in particular felt this post was worthy of being downplayed and deflected upon with such haste



  • Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭vswr


    Probably had similar experience to any officer in the ARW.... maybe people would find the brief more palatable if it was presented by Ray Goggins (not sure if he was commissioned though).



  • Registered Users Posts: 844 ✭✭✭Addmagnet



    ... ordinary people want to see Ukrainian MPs suffer like they and their kids do ...


    Huh, there's a rude awakening coming to the Ukrainians if they think the MPs of other countries do any suffering like "the little people".



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,849 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    does it matter?, if the Russians were so badly equipped they would have lost the summer offensive, what point do you think is important?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    She despite admitting to be over two decades in Ireland and now naturalised keeps claiming to speak on behalf of all Ukrainians but instead regurgitates Russian propaganda talking points like clockwork

    Very sus



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,015 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    All things that can be done by trained personnel, without the rank portion. A significant portion of planning is also done by NCOs. Certainly wouldn't trust an officer to plan any sort of tactical operation. Any of the best Unit organizations are entirely NCO driven. The up and out function attributed to officers largely consists of fulfillment of needlessly paper churn, designed to give validity to those positions. Endless trackers, PowerPoints and conops.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,338 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Maybe not at the moment, if you go by territory lost / gained, but for sure Ukraine is winning in terms of losses of men and machines, by a long shot. And now, the war has started to come to Russia proper, and not only on the economic front, but with bombs falling on Russian cities. Putin talks about a new round of mobilizations (300'000) but only after he has stolen the upcoming election. Why wait, if he's so sure? The fact is he's not sure, and does not want to take a chance, small and all as that chance is that he might not be re-elected. He's afraid. Thinks are not going well in Putins Russia, so time is running out for him too., the national wealth fund is not bottomless, and its emptying fast.



  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    Speaking of failed offensives here is yet another one caught on high definition drone video for the military experts in thread to observe




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Good to see we are sending mine clearing equipment to Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,171 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Surprised to see so many made it out of those vehicles after they'd been hit... looks like the cluster munitions crew failed to mop up the men pouring out. Pity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,731 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Neither side has made any major progress? We keep hearing this, and have been hearing it for months (frequently accompanied by the phrase "failed/stalled counteroffensive") ... and yet that point refers only to the movement of the line of conflict on the ground.

    Anyone who's wandered through the north of France will surely have seen the panels marking the position of the front line in WW1 and noticed how little it moved over the course of several years - but the war wasn't being fought and won there.

    In 2023, Ukraine drove the Black Sea fleet out of Crimea, and have make the Black Sea sufficiently treacherous that the same Black Sea Fleet generally stays out of it. Similarly, they have made the skies over Donbas, Luhansk, Zaporizhia and Crimea sufficiently dangerous that helicopters rarely visit the front line regions any more, and their jets are increasingly wary of taking to the air.

    Those two achievements alone are "major progress" for Ukraine, and there is nothing comparable for the Russians to brag about.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,266 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    FFS just give Ukraine what they need to finish these rats off altogether.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But they are press ganging people into service theres plenty of videos showing Ukrainian men being grabbed on the streets and taking away to be conscripted,



  • Registered Users Posts: 554 ✭✭✭glen123


    ...and this somehow makes me less Ukrainian and less knowledgeable than you, for example, about what goes on in the country where, as I mentioned, all my family and friends and their kids still live? Unlike you, I don't watch and read Russian propaganda to know what exactly they are promoting there these days. Maybe you should switch to Ukrainian news instead too for a change?

    Or are you ashamed to come across this? After all it's the creation of our "hero" and his besties.

    Kvartal 95 making disgusting jokes about people of Skadovsk (Kherson), currently under occupation, during their New Years performance. One of the participants visited Crimea at least 3 times since its occupation (big no-no but ...what's another y....visit). Some MPs are now calling for them to volunteer to the frontlines after their wonderful performance (won't happen, of course). Poor sods even had to cancel their gig at Bukovel (our top ski resort)...and one would think what...ski resort..gigs...during the war??

    Poor mayor of Skadovsk was so disgusted, he ended up quoting Petlura's "We are not so afraid of Moscow lice, we are afraid of Ukrainian nits."

    Let's see how Zelenky's strong hand is going to pack them all up, drive them to Avdiivka and leave them all there as volunteers :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    Way to not read the article about press ganging foreigners in Russia and also go off on a tangent and to then make claims without any evidence



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Tangent your grasp of thing seems very much limited



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