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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,629 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Not sure I get you Gatling?

    I mean Austria is generally not involved in overseas conflicts but the Jagdkommando tends to end up in an awful lot of conflict zones all the same. There are always interests to be protected



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,629 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    If that's what you want to think, fine. With ostensibly neutral countries and countries without such a celebration of militarism I find you generally have to read between the lines a bit when it comes to their special forces



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Bit of a pointless discussion anyway. Let's say the good colonel shot someone at some point of his career - will that change what you think of his video briefings?



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Looks like a group of 200 Ukrainian soldiers was released by the Russians today,some from the Azovstal siege still another 500+ being held from the siege



  • Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭glen123


    I never said Zelenky wasn't voted in fairly. He did everything correctly to get the vote - even finally learnt Ukrainian language right before the elections to get the votes from the West of the country, something he hadn't bothered to do all his life. Very quickly however his rating dropped through the ground way before the war.

    Also, not sure if he was corrupt or a puppet or just oligarch or maybe all three in one, but Poroshenko kept things stable between 2014 and 2019, even got Ukraine visa free travel in the EU. Looks like being a businessman and an experienced politician he was able to balance between the neighbour and the EU. Had Ukranians voted for him again, it's quite possible there would have been no invasion. It's also thanks to him Ukrainian army took some sort of a shape. I wouldn't be suprised that it was Zelenky's inaptitude as a politician that was a trigger point of this disaster of a situation, with Putin then overestimating the state of his army which is also corrupt to the core...and we are now where we are.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭glen123


    Yes, this was one of the reasons his popularity quickly faded after the elections because one of his main election promises was European wages for the teachers, yet the minute he was elected things became even worse for many people financially. Now how much went towards the army ...who knows. Also, it would have depended on who you discussed this with. Kyiv is Kyiv - different wages, opportunities, etc. If you had asked the same question a pensioner on $100 a month, you would have got a different answer, I am sure considering this pensioner is somehow supposed to live, eat and buy meds and prey they don't end up in a hospital because free medical care in Ukraine is non-existent.

    I am afraid this war is to go on for longer than just a few more years. Zelenky's fate is likely to be the same of Churchill's but if this war ends in territory being given away, he'd have to leave the country, most likely.



  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    Poroshenko is your better “alternative” to Zelensky

    right it’s not even worth engaging with this anymore



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I was just saying that they have and regularly serve outside of Austria,but as people may know, most special forces unit operations tend to be classified.

    But that doesn't take away from this chaps military career and experience



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,051 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    To be fair to Poroshenko he was prepared to defend his nation alongside many others, when Kyiv was under attack from Russia, I know there are corruption charges against him, however he was still willing to fight & apparently has funded military equipment purchases from his own money. I don't think he would have left Kyiv just as Zelensky didn't either.

    https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-former-leader-petro-poroshenko-calls-for-military-aircraft-to-give-us-the-opportunity-to-protect-you-in-the-west-12559865

    I believe most governments & political leaders are corrupt, however, at least some of Ukraines politicians are patriots. In shark contrast to some western European political leaders that hide in fridges & take bungs from Russian oligarchs.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,629 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous




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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,964 ✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    The issue is he presents himself in uniform, presumably to add weight to his opinions. He's been shown to be wrong consistently in his predictions, yet folks want to point to him as some expert due to his employment. Pointing out his lack of viable experience is valid in that context.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    He's playing for the camera nothing more ,he hasn't taken up arms to defend Ukraine no more than the Klitschko brothers have,they are sitting in there comfortable houses doing press tours with selected media then going back to the way they lived pre invasion,

    It's playing up for the audiences waiting for their turn to grab some power whenever elections are restored



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,753 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    A Russian win in Ukraine would be a disaster for the West especially Europe. It would encourage China and its ambitions (Taiwan) and might well lead to war with N Korea and Iran. The Russians don't take verbal warnings seriously in fact unless backed up by actions they take it as a green light and will keep pressing until they are stopped.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,590 ✭✭✭zv2


    A discussion on drone use by both sides


    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭silverharp



    the question really is what did the US military/Ukrainian experts think was going on?, they would have had a good handle on the Russian/Ukrainian capabilities and pipelines in terms of equipment and men, also it was probably the most observed front lines of any war in history so both sides knew whats going on with the other , the Russians didnt do anything exciting or novel , most of the tactics looked like a rerun of the battle of Kursk with drones.

    I wonder were the experts fooled by the idea "well they must know what they are doing"

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    China and the US seem to be the main beneficiaries

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Putin didn't go all in 2014 because he would have lost the world cup and that was a very prestigious thing for him. After it was over he got back to his antics with Ukraine.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    The biggest issue is neither the US or EU actually want to beat Russia,I don't think there is any desire what's so ever to so , yes they talk about Ukraine but in theory and on the ground they have repeatedly dragged their feet,they promised 1 million rounds of artillery to be delivered in the next 8 weeks already in the knowledge that they couldn't or didn't have the capacity to deliver that promise ,

    Yes they donated something like 2500 armoured vehicles from tanks ,IFVs , personal carriers and new artillery but all in very limited numbers , Ukraine wants 200+ Western fighter jets they got 16 ,

    So whats the plan , so far it looks like they are drip feeding the Ukrainians in the hope of forcing a political solution?? Definitely doesn't seem to be looking for an all out victory over the Russians



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,753 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    The plan seems to be to bring the Russians to the table by inflicting enough damage to make it their only reasonable option. One problem with this is that Putin can't be trusted with any agreement and is willing to inflict years of conflict and destruction. Waiting for the death of Putin or step up military aid to Ukraine?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,433 ✭✭✭Field east


    What does beating Russia mean. And the US and the EU does not want Russia beaten !!!!!!!!! Yea, I do not want Russia beaten either BUT BUT I want RUssia to get the hell out of UKr including Crimea, Donbas and Luhansk and to weaken it to the point where it will never invade any soverign. Country again and leave it to its own devices and keep the sanctions in place and keep monitoring them so that they are not broken. Other actions should be considered to reduce to a minimum any financial , social , security business dealings with Russia. Keep visas to a minimum if not to zero



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    We all want Russia out of Ukraine I think or hope at least..

    But yet they aren't getting the support to force Russia out of Ukraine which has gotten to the the current situation, trench warfare and more gains made by Russia vs liberated areas by Ukraine as it stands neither side has the outright ability to beat the other,



  • Registered Users Posts: 35,687 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Ukraine striking inside of Russia is foolish, as every time they do it Russia retaliates 100 fold, Ukraine need to use those missiles on the Russians on their land. West needs to step up, help Ukraine more, the war is on Ukrainian soil, not Russian.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,232 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    As apparently a parasitical organism (and a light colonel to boot), I'm curious to hear the substantiation of this statement, and then compare with my twenty plus years since I commissioned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,964 ✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    They are viruses within the organisation, an anachronistic and outdated concept. They provide little in actual specialty, instead creating environments to further their existence. Bloated bureaucracies, focused on short term actions to deliver OER bullets. They create institutional inertia, suppressing innovation and dynamism in favor of risk aversion and ass covering.

    They are vestigial. Anything of value they bring, is capable of being performed by trained specialists, without the additional hierarchical nonsense.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,232 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    That's a... erm... take.

    There have been three militaries which have tried abolishing officers in the interests of egalitarianism and cultural revolution. (Actually they tried abolishing all official rank, even without abolishing the distinguishment of duties). Soviet Union (1918-1924, then they brought back in 'ranks in disguise' 1924-1935), PRC (1965-1988) and Albania (1966-1991). All decided it was a stupid idea and re-established them after a while. Granted, Soviet era junior officers often tended to perform functions which were conducted by enlisted in Western militaries, but at the higher levels, the job descriptions tended to merge with those of other nations.

    Officers are planners and co-ordinators, trained specialists in such areas. Or, in other words, officers figure out what needs to be done, NCOs figure out how to get it done, and the junior enlisted and specialists actually do it. I wouldn't dream of telling a Master Gunner how to do his job, but the Master Gunner similarly has not been trained in implementation of doctrine. He doesn't have time, he's too busy being a subject matter expert in getting the tank and crews to shoot straight.

    There is another factor which officers need to deal with but enlisted don't. The commander is responsible for everything the unit does and fails to do. We cannot delegate responsibility to enlisted, even if we delegate the authority. If something goes wrong, it's on our heads.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,918 ✭✭✭rogber


    For sure Russia is struggling with manpower, just like Ukraine is, just like both sides are struggling to get enough weapons to make progress. My point was simply that neither side has made any major progress in the last year and the Crimean beach party predictions from some here proved as far fetched as the 3 day war predictions from the other side, so really both sides should learn to be a bit more circumspect when gazing into the crystal ball



  • Registered Users Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    But I didn’t make a prediction I posted an article reported by Russians in Russian media and asked the obvious question why if Russia “has endless manpower” they have to resort to such despicable and quite possibly worthy of more war crimes actions

    You are the one on other hand who bizarrely immediately jumped upon the post for some reason and who went off on a tangent and invented what was not posted

    You can’t both sides this as Ukraine is not gang pressing foreigners into service, for that matter they seem quite reluctant to even expand the draft of their own

    Which raises the question now of why you in particular felt this post was worthy of being downplayed and deflected upon with such haste



  • Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭vswr


    Probably had similar experience to any officer in the ARW.... maybe people would find the brief more palatable if it was presented by Ray Goggins (not sure if he was commissioned though).



  • Registered Users Posts: 831 ✭✭✭Addmagnet



    ... ordinary people want to see Ukrainian MPs suffer like they and their kids do ...


    Huh, there's a rude awakening coming to the Ukrainians if they think the MPs of other countries do any suffering like "the little people".



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    does it matter?, if the Russians were so badly equipped they would have lost the summer offensive, what point do you think is important?

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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