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Anxiety and depression thread (Please read OP)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    I've been seeing an online therapist, and it has helped me. I've done in person therapy, and I've done online therapy. And both have been very beneficial.

    The problem I've run into with irl appointments is I find it difficult to get to the appointments on time (I don't drive), and asking someone else for a lift to my therapist can be haphazard, especially now the way the weather is being so much of a jerk.

    So online therapy has helped me a lot. It's over zoom, so I do see the person. I can check their credentials too. I know there have been issues about places like Betterhelp, which has been covered even in Irish news outlets, Notably that you are more than likely not speaking to a licensed counsellor or therapist. (I know one of the Irish newspapers covered this, but its probably behind a paywall).

    Honestly, you have to do what's right for you- if you feel in-person therapy will be more helpful, go for that. If you feel online therapy is better, go for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Been a bit all over the place the last week or so.

    A family member is in hospital, a few illnesses that have left them ran down. They're getting an IV drip, with a few different types of prescription medications to help clear up a few health problems. (Nothing potentially deadly, but would definitely have gotten more serious if left untreated). Their condition will improve, but it will take time. We'd had concerns about their health for a while, because they'd been complaining of a few things. They're really stubborn, and had been to see their GP before this, but there may have been underlying conditions. Whatever they were prescribed didn't do much. Hospital has done extensive tests too. No issues with things like the heart or lungs. Whilst I've learned a lot more on their condition in the last few days, in the early days, I was catastrophizing everything. And I still am. It feels like I'm not being told the full story, even tho nobody is holding anything back from me.

    Another family member has picked up a bug, or flu, and so cannot go into hospital to see them. That means that I'll have to do it, and get any notes on any stuff they might need.

    Tbh, this has sort of left me feeling useless. Couple that with stuff that went on in the last few days (storm Debi, for one) and I've been rather useless to anyone. Trying to keep a sane routine has been hard. Sort of sitting here and hating everything, really. Genuinely feeling like a child, at times. That sort of powerless feeling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭apache


    I've started going to support meetings and doing a DBT course and addiction day programme that is slowly starting to help. In one of the groups I made a connection with a lovely guy. I looked forward to seeing him. Found out the other day he killed himself. The news has really floored me.

    So after isolating for years I'm out and about every day in the real world mixing with people. It's very challenging. That's where I'm at.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,673 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    I'm so sorry to hear about your friend, it's an unfortunate fact that we'll all know someone like that, poor bloke. I hope you aren't taking it too hard..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    As Grem said, @apache , I am so sorry about your friend. I compare Mental Health to an ongoing War. Some times we lose the battles, and sometimes we lose soldiers along the way.

    It's very difficult. I hope you have a support network at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,577 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    All over the place here. Too much crap going on. Things are too complicated, expensive and unpredictable. And mounting up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Been away for a bit. My brain was just frazzled.

    M mother was in hospital. When I said relative, weeks ago, it was my brain not being able to comprehend stuff. It was my mum.

    She was in for a little more than a week, and they found she was ran down and had pneumonia. She's had pneumonia before, many many years ago, when I was a teenager, and this wasn't as bad as then. (So even she was surprised.) She was prescribed medication but the doctors and nurses said that if she'd had an inhaler (which she's been prescribed) she'd have probably never gone into hospital. Last time she had pneumonia, she was given an inhaler.

    Well, they prescribed a number of medications. She came out of hospital not acting herself, but that was probably because of the multiple medications she was on.

    Going in to see her, and coming home, all that was in my head was 'she's dying'. My research while she was in hospital, it just went 'She's dying. She's DEAD!' And I broke down crying in the car, because in the week she was in hospital, I couldn't go in to see her. (My brother picked up a virus, either a cold, mild flu or his allergies, and they won't let you into the hospital if you're under the weather. Being close contact, I couldn't risk it.) We phoned her, but she didn't remember a lot of my calls (the medications again). In that time, I was left to my own devices, which is to say that nobody cared if I got out of bed or not. And in that time I was researching what she might possibly have.

    The doctors have suspicions of what it might be. As to what might have caused it, I mean. They've even prescribed oxygen to help her out. Since then, her appetite has improved enormously. Some of the meds she's been prescribed are really strong, and she does feel groggy or ill after taking them. She's been home for two weeks now, and she's improved a lot. But pneumonia can take months to clear up. (It did when she had ityears ago too).

    But I've had this sense of unease. Had a counselling session booked for Tuesday, but my counselor had to cancel due to unforeseen circumstances. Have a therapy session booked for next week. Genuinely needed that session though. Been frazzled for weeks.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,673 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    That's been a horrific ordeal for you. Feeling helpless and in the dark is a truly awful place to be.. I am glad she has pulled through and is home, make sure to look after yourself too, that stress won't have been easy on your own system



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Thank you Grem.

    It took a toll. It genuinely did. My stomach decided to be a nightmare. And there were some days where I got little to no sleep. Or ate very little. I just listened to what the doctors said, when she was released from hospital.

    My brother and her both get irritated (to say the least) at me because there are times when I just... I'm not reliable because I'm dealing with my own frazzled brain. If I wake up late, they're angry. I sometimes have to explain myself, but its still not quite enough.

    It's reminding me a lot of when my dad was ill. He was terminal, and that was about 16 years ago. So there was this constant 'clock's ticking down' in the back of my brain the whole time. We knew he had 12 months. With my mum, it's me catastrophizing. When she was in hospital, she was only there a little over a week. And she checked herself in on Doctor's advice.

    There's a few other things that are making me anxious, but I have to sort of 'breathe' to cope with them, atm. Doesn't help I got a birthday coming up too. (I don't like birthdays. HAven't since I was 12 years old).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,577 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Here's a useful acrynomn.

    "A" can also be anxious.

    So, if you are feeling any of these, stop and think, be mindful.

    Don't do anything impulsive or negative, do something positive and pro active instead. Or maybe do nothing. But don't take the negative path.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Bargain_Hound


    It’s been a few weeks since I posted. today has been the worst day and I feel I have finally hit rock bottom. I was here once before and it wasn’t a pleasant time. This has been building for several weeks now and im not sure how I am going to navigate my way out of this supporting a family.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,673 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    I'm only supporting one other person but sometimes even small things feel monumental, have that feeling today too, can empathise. Do you have any tricks you use for distraction or getting through? Even finding my usually reliable body scan meditation thing isn't functioning for me



  • Registered Users Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Bargain_Hound


    Thanks for taking the time to reply. I don't have any specific tricks for getting through, though I do take a nap when I can afford to (Kids in school, partner minding them). It doesn't necessarily help but gets me further through the day. I should perhaps start to practice some more "mindfullness' techniques.


    I'm on the fence whether to engage in some professional help at this point though. Considering I have been there before with mixed feelings, I have a mental block as it feels like I am too deep in the dark.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,673 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    I recently finished up with a psychologist and I'm feeling the loss of it.. I'm trying to keep up the healthy habits and thinking but it's very hard, I think I've a tendency to allow myself to fall too far before I try things that I should probably be doing as ongoing maintenance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,577 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    One thing is to tell that inner critic to STFU.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,673 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    We tried a different tack since telling that voice anything led internal conflict, instead tried taking its power by not caring what it said, sort of along the lines of radical acceptance.. Bloody hard to keep up though..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,577 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    I only recently realised I had huge problems with this. Kinda assumed it was "normal".

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Ending with a psychologist can feel like losing a friend. Sorry for what you're going through Grem. Had a psych end with me earlier in the year (as I posted here) because she'd gotten a new job. Was a tough one. Was happy for her moving up in the world tho.

    The inner critic is probably the worst bully one can ever encounter. Because there's no reprieve.

    Went to bed late yesterday, like during the storm, and couldn't get a wink of shut eye. Slept throughout the rest of Sunday, and woke up early this morning. A good solid 17 or 18 hours of sleep. The wind and rain was just awful. Lucky to have avoided the incidents like in Leitrim, tho.

    My inner critic rages at me- 'YOU LAZY F***ER!! YOU'RE WORTHLESS!!!' And I honestly feel it's correct, a lot of the time.

    I don't know if it's specifically Irish or Catholic. I've seen a few folks discussing this, across the world, as well as the feeling of Worthlessness, and putting themselves down. It is often tied in with upbringing, and events that shaped us. Bullying, crap that was said to us at times we were vulnerable (as children, or if a family member was ill and we didn't know what to do) and just stuff that we sort of internalised. I've seen others discuss this, of different faiths and none, and how much of it is tied with events throughout their lives.

    Filmmaker Kevin Smith posted a video earlier in the year. And he discussed his own nervous breakdown.

    Trigger Warning: He does discuss topics such as sexual abuse. So if that might upset anyone, please do not watch.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBvc7Ny4iUk

    Something that hit home with me, was the incidents where adults put him down, and he internalised it. That sort of 'I deserve it' mentality. And how he pushed himself to be a 'people pleaser'. That mentality will sap your energy and create additional stress. I'm fortunate to not have experienced Sexual Abuse, but the rest of what he said hit home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,577 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Thanks for that. I did edit my comment to avoid the Irish/Catholic trope. Yep, it's much more widespread than that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,577 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Feeling very depressed and anxious today. Hard to look forward to Christmas when you've a load of problems on your mind. It's been like this for years for me.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,673 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Same, both of us here are ill and the house is just a cloud of depression.. Having a hard time doing anything and doing nothing. Just can't settle..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,577 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Brain is fried. One thing after another here.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,673 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Still the same here, Mrs G has an awful pain in her head from a double ear infection that just isn't shifting



  • Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭Robert Nairac


    Medication hasn't worked for me and neither has talk therapies. Been trying these things for the last 10 years. I have Major Depressive Disorder and it is treatment resistant.

    I am looking for information about what other options are out there. Could anyone provide me with any insight?

    I saw that Trinity and St Patrick’s Mental Health Services were doing a ketamine trial a few years ago. Is ketamine an option? Is TMS treatment available in Ireland?

    I was looking at St Pat's in-patient treatment, but it seems to be a lot of talk therapy/CBT which is not of much benefit to me.

    Anyone kindly explain to me what other options are out there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,577 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld



    I am not in the same situation as you, but I have a lot of problems that cause me stress, severe anxiety and depression. I found talk therapy to help a bit. I'm not on any medication.

    The following won't fix underlying issues but they all give my mind a break ...and this helps me see the wood from the trees...

    I'm just making a list here ... Some of this stuff is hard for me to do and apply, especially when I'm severely depressed. But they all work for me ...


    Exercise, walking the dog, in nature. Not competitive, or ego centered exercise. Just walking.

    Getting rid of physical belonging that are stressing me out. Clear out all the crap. Stop being manipulated by advertising. Keep a small set of high quality belongings.

    I'm going to do a digital declutter before the new year. That stuff is just killing me. It's like all made up virtual WORK. I'm including low quality media like rubbish TV and low quality video games etc under here. And endless scrolling on my bloody phone.. Also, the news cycle. The news is toxic.

    Avoid social media. I'm on boards, that's it. And I'm trying to avoid all the contentious channels on here. Every time I get a link to Facebook I feel like dying inside.

    Doing necessary physical stuff. E.g. clean the house, garden, fix things. Note: I find it hard to do these things, but the relief/joy afterwards is uplifting and ongoing.

    Avoid people who judge me, make me feel small, or have more problems to give me. I feel this a lot, especially at Christmas time. So, I've learned to keep my mouth shut, be nice, and move on and away.

    I've a friend I can tell everything to. Not the same as therapy, but great to get all the stuff out.

    If there is something stressing me, take a simple action to deal with the stress. Make the phone call ... Another very hard thing for me to do, but the benefit goes on. Not doing anything is a terrible continuous burden on my mind.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,574 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    Finding things very difficult again. Not sleeping, anxiety, black and white thinking, job interview rejection and various other personal things. Quite unmotivated with hobbies and so on. Don't see my therapist now until mid-January. Called the Samaritans earlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    It's important to try and get the thoughts out of your head. Be it journalling, scrap papers, even an audio recording diary.

    Just anything to get stuff out of your head, and onto something where you can look at it in the third person. As a viewer, you can sort of be your own therapist.

    Counselling has helped. It can help enormously. But research the therapist you're planning to attend. I've had a mixed bag with therapists and counsellors. I've been more lucky with private therapists. But you still get the odd one who's not right for your needs.

    I'm just wishing you the best of luck.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,673 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Not easy and compounded by time of year, try not to be too critical or hard on yourself, remember that you wouldn't let your friend talk to themselves the way you are talking to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Awful panic attack last night well this morning 4am throat closed up a little and starting chocking on my food in bed ,I got up and went outside for 10 minutes and that kinda helped me ,I've been having these on and off for years since I was 15 and I'm 26 now 🙃



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    They can be seriously rough. Had one of those a few Christmasses ago. I'd have been in better stead if I'd gone toe to toe with Tyson Fury or something .

    Is there something in your life that's been stressing you out? Anything like money or even a family member being ill? That kind of thing can play on our minds. It might also be important to look into breathing techniques or relaxation techniques to practise.

    I know for myself, alcohol and excess sugar can make me very 'on edge' (I cut out alcohol). So I have to kind of keep tabs on that, as it can set off my anxiety. Even excess caffeine too.

    Just have a look at what might be triggering it. Even looking back at events that might have set off panic attacks before. Even journaling or writing them down. It can help to be prepped in case of one. Then practise breathing techniques.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,577 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    It might be a physical thing or partly physical. E.g. Too much chocolate = acid reflux = wake up in a panic choking on that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,577 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Anxiety killing me today.

    Load of things I need to do..but can't face doing anything.

    And when I do have time off I can neve switch off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    I was attacked and scooter got robbed off me Start of November that could be it also having a alcoholic abuser dad didn't help either, I thought I sorted all this out with years of counselling but obviously not 😞 I just wish I didn't suffer with depression and anxiety 😔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    It wasn't although I do need to stop eating in bed I've gained weight and bad habits



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    The robbery probably brought up some stuff. Crud like that, can trigger something. Bring up stuff we might have buried rather than dealt with. But at least you're trying to deal with stuff from your past. I know someone who had an alcoholic, abusive father. She became the image of him, herself. Down to the addictions and violence. Didn't deal with her issues, and used alcohol to self medicate, mostly because her doctor wouldn't provide her with medication for anything more than a week, because she'd tried to overdose. So she'd drink, and become violent and abusive. She'd pretty much blackout and not remember anything.

    The fact you're attempting to deal with things makes you a better person than many.

    We all wish we didn't have mental health problems, but it's moreso if society treated mental health as an actual health problem, rather than an 'inconvenience'. Might very well change people's perceptions of it. And create better services around the country.

    Some foods can upset our minds more than others. Especially Cheese. Unhealthy eating has affected my mindset in the past. It's important to try and eat healthy stuff.

    I never eat in bed. Never got the habit. Might keep a bottle of water nearby, if I need it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭Dazler97


    Yes I'm gonna go to councilling again and see how it goes , the meds I'm on at night makes me hungry so its between that and force of habit



  • Registered Users Posts: 853 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Just saw this post. Yes Pats definitely have (or had) a ketamine trial, I met someone who was on it. They also do ECT. I would think it is definitely worth your while considering an inpatient stay if you have health insurance. If you decide to get a GP referral make sure he/she puts down that your depression is treatment resistant and preferably outline in as much detail as possible medications that have been tried and haven't worked, and relevant timescales.

    In general I would recommend St Pats, they are not perfect but I have a fair amount of time for them.

    Best wishes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭IpreDictDeatH


    We're do you go to research private phychiatrists? I've been misdiagnosed via cluan mhuire (my GPS opinion also) and we need a second opinion, maybe with someone with specialty in bi polar. As I am not in area for other public mental health services I have to go private but have no idea how or where to find them???



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,673 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Your GP should be able to lead this, there is irishpsychiatry.ie also but I'd be more inclined to ask your GP or even local pharmacist to start you off. All else fails come back here



  • Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭Robert Nairac


    Thanks for the response.

    I am somewhat skeptical of ECT having read a little bit about it. Will speak to my doctor soon.

    Do you know if St Pat's is the only place in Ireland that does ketamine treatment? Are there any other ways to receive ketamine treatment? I couldn't find much info searching online.

    I did read about some kind of ketamine nasal spray, but again, I'm not sure if it is even available in Ireland or if a doctor or psychiatrist could just give you a prescription for it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 853 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Sorry, don't know about the ketamine. I haven't heard of anywhere else providing it, even on trial basis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,577 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    In bed with a cold I can't shake off. Took sick leave today as it has been dragging on all week. But the real issue is that I can't even sleep or rest worrying about stuff. Including taking sick leave. I need a factory reset. My brain is going round and round in circles.



  • Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭Robert Nairac


    Thanks for the response.

    I'll try to get more information about it. I know there are several clinics in the UK offering it but not I'm not sure what the process would be like trying to get treatment there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 853 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    I'm not sure. I doubt if your Irish health insurance assuming you have insurance would cover any UK clinics but who knows.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9 QuayBoarder


    To the person who asked re Ketamine. Google Ketamine depression UK. Note the statement from The Royal college of Psychiatrists, can be seen scrolling down and an article on the Guardian website. This is not medical advice



  • Registered Users Posts: 269 ✭✭IpreDictDeatH


    I'm looking for a second opinion apart from cluan mhuire so I've to go private. St pats is 6 to 9 months wait! Gp hasn't any other idea and googling private osychs doesn't show up much hope. So frustrating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,742 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Strange that a GP wouldn't be able to refer you to other private psychiatrists - that's really the GPs job.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 60,673 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    If you are near a university there are often psychiatrists attached to them who will often have a private practice, it's how we found one in Galway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,380 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    There is always the option of online therapy. (Just avoid betterhelp. There's been exposes on them and how unreliable they are. No guarantee you're even getting a qualified professional therapist/ counsellor/psychiatrist).

    I had to do online due to difficulties getting to a therapist in person.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,159 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ive always been a bit wary of betterhelp, but its well advertised, and from good sources to, id have to try it to see for myself....



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