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Jozef Puska guilty of murder of Ashling Murphy (Mod notes and threadbans in op)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    So the only benifit you see is to the economy? Well at least your list is short. The other poster claimed they'd a list as long as their arm but they didnt want to type it.

    I think the benefit to the economy is overstated. I haven't hired an Irish person since 2021.

    None seem to be applying or HR are screening them. But either way, the net result is, job gets created in Ireland, job gets taken by immigrant, taxes get paid but said immigrant needs all the services their taxes pay for. Of which we are short of as a country.

    So I see your positive as a negative because we do not have the infrastructure to accommodate all these immigrants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,363 ✭✭✭Be right back


    But he came here and didn't appear to contribute to Irish society much at all before he murdered Ashling. After 10 years, he still needed a translator! And of course, too many Irish women die at the hands of Irish men but for the most part they are known to the victims. It is the sheer randomness and violence used in Ashling's case that appalls most people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,355 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Try managing a restaurant or cleaning business and only hire Irish people.

    I see many benefits for me, I like a diverse society instead of what ireland used to be, but that's a personal preference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,070 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I don't know if you're deliberately pretending you can't understand the point I am making or it really went over your head.

    No one is defending Jozef Puska, we're just unwilling to accept the idea that all immigrants be scapegoated on the premise that the 'might' be the same as him.

    A woman was killed by her partner in Clare ten days ago who then took his own life, why is it we never see threads on here talking about how to genuinely provide mental health improvements for people suffering, or better services for those who need a safe outlet.

    It's all this pomp and noise about the perpetrator when its an immigrant, radio silence when its a local.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,070 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You're making my point for me.

    I never said there was a glorious past of tribal nations living together, I made the point that societies have trended towards integration.

    And the formation of formal agreements for collaboration such as the EU led to the greatest period of peace and security in the region since records began.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭jackboy


    You can't compare a case that has been through the courts and the facts are known against a case that the public knows nothing about.

    There have been very long threads here in the past about Irish family killers, just as much discussion as this case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Targeting all immigrant men in case they might be rapists/migrants because there is supposedly nothing that can be done about Irish rapists/murderers. Highlighting this particular because it was a migrant involved. I mean of course that is going to be called out for what it is. Plus the absolutely ridiculous notion that nothing can ever be done to prevent Irish men raping/murdering gets accepted without question by some round here.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭DebDynamite




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Meh immigrants are just as religious, racist and parochial as ballygobackward was 40 years ago.

    I liked it when I had to get on a plane to experience other cultures. But that's my personal preference.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,114 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Even as a man I was embarrassed for the people writing those articles

    And saddened they piling on the murder of someone



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Right OK. Everywhere else is 40 years behind Ireland 🤣

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing




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    Great point.

    Furthermore, ‘personal preferences’ should never be a factor when it comes to immigration. Ultimately, the determinant should be: is this a net positive for the host society and its people or not? If not, it shouldn’t be entertained.

    The views of some guy living in dreary suburbia who enjoys sampling cuisine x and who simply adores hearing language y when out in town for a drink, are utterly irrelevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,327 ✭✭✭✭Witcher




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,355 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    ok well i have colleagues and neighbours from all round the place and there's nothing religious or parochial about them anyway.

    i like the ireland we have now, everyone i know does, we're happy and doing well. i'm not sure the type of men that these threads attract who moan on the internet all day about foreigners would be happy in any situation or society really. you should make the most of where ireland is now, it's a great place to live, and it wouldn't have been possible for us to thrive as we have done without immigration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 ✭✭highpressisbest


    I would he will be well protected by the authorities. And we should have no tolerance for the abuse of any prisoner no matter how horrible their crime. If we can’t protect people in the controlled environment of a prison, how the hell can we hope to make the streets secure? Puska should never ever be released. And by right should serve a sentence of hard labour. But he should not be subject to any violence.

    And just to note, he will able to serve the majority of his sentence in Slovakia should he choose to do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,086 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    "No one is defending Jozef Puska"

    Are you for real? You just said that Jozef Puska was a price we should be willing to bear.

    I will quote you very own words.

    So do you keep out the 10000 odd people who are going to add positively to a society to potentially prevent 1 would commit a crime such as this.

    You are literally taking a sh!t on the vast majority of our very welcome immigrants whether they are from South America, Africa, Eastern Europe, or Asian who are putting in the hard graft and contributing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,070 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Instead of quoting my words and misinterpreting them, maybe read them a few more times and see if you can grasp what was said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Explain that one to me? The only reason immigrants come to Ireland is because we're a wealthy country. Did you see half of Asia queuing up in the eighties when there wasn't a job to be had?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Oh right OK. Apparently the world is made up of Ireland and every other country which is 40 years behind and 3rd world 🤣

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,355 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    So how would we have kept multinational IT companies and the likes coming here if we couldn't staff them? Have you ever worked for one? Even 20 years ago they were 50% foreign from my experience. All the multinationals have different language departments. So many positions have to be filled from abroad because they just can't get staff here in many industries.

    So we either put a stop to growth and foreign investment or we're going to have to keep relying on immigration somewhat.

    No Irish people will work many jobs now so I'm not sure how we would even keep the country running without immigration at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,086 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I've grasped what you are saying completely.

    You are equating all immigrants equally.

    • The highly skilled workers who work for the multinationals.
    • The skilled workers who work in the trades in construction.
    • The non skilled workers who work in the shops and warehouses.
    • The long term, non workers who are on the dole.

    I back the first three groups to the hilt.

    You back the bogus disability claimants in the final group.

    Post edited by Francie Barrett on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭Allinall


    How do you think we became a wealthy country?

    It wasn’t without help from immigrants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    Afaik it was removed as he used the new EU right to be forgotten legislation to get Google to suppress all searches. Very few in leixlip know about it, it was swept under the mat by the authorities due to the racial nature. Afaik it was the same school as those lads who killed that girl.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    We should definitely kick out the ones who come here not to work. Especially ones who are 10 years on benefits. Be a start



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,355 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I agree but it seems like some posters are trying to say Ireland doesn't need immigrants at all and we'd be wealthy anyway without them



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    I've worked for MNCs my entire career. I'd say the last 5 or so years is the first time I've seen more indian and African than Irish.



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