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Is Paddy Cosgrove the biggest wanker in Ireland?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,789 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You said Israel have not been charged with war crimes, I asked you to show where Hamas where.

    If Israel has not been charged and so are innocent of the allegations, then so too are Hamas surely?

    The fact is Israel have previously broken international law in the eyes of those who uphold International Law. Guess who abstained on that motion?


    Mary Lou thread somewhere else thaddaway if you want to continue discussing her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Hamas are a terrorist organization ( according to our EU, and according to the USA as well ), while Israel is the most democratic country in the middle east, so the 2 are not equatable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,789 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Do you believe all war crimes should be treated equally?

    Yes or no?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭CrazyEric


    Everyone has now watched the video and drew their own conclusions from it as to who is responsible.

    You say I am making assumptions, you present a completely different narrative on what Mary Lou said to everyone else who read it, you "assume" what she meant and even try to imply that the transcriber may be presenting it incorrectly as a defense, you used to be so much better at this Francie.

    Paddy Cosgrove may lose his title. Allegedly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,789 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    We’ll have to agree to disagree.

    Somebody giving a speech listing of things an making a point about them isn’t that unusual.

    Her point about the hospital bombing is at the end: nowhere is safe in Gaza. That could also include they are not safe for Hamas.

    And I never said diddly about the transcriber being incorrect. I said you didn’t seem to realise that she didn’t arrange it in paragraphs.

    Politicians don’t write up the Dàil record.

    Do better yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭CrazyEric


    FRANCIE. "And I never said diddly about the transcriber being incorrect. I said you didn’t seem to realise that she didn’t arrange it in paragraphs."

    CRAZYERIC " you "assume" what she meant and even try to imply that the transcriber may be presenting it incorrectly as a defense


    Read carefully Francie. If you cannot understand what I said don't try and put spin on it, which is exactly what you were doing with Mary Lou's speech. I called you out for splitting the paragraph to try and make it appear that she said something different. Her point about the hospital is bang smack in the middle of the paragraph. Not at the end. you are starting to twist and turn so much you are falling over yourself.

    I don't need to do better, this is too easy.



  • Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Feck off with Mary Lou , the pair of you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,789 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    She spoke in sentences with points.

    I quoted the sentences and points.

    If she was blaming Israel she would have said it exactly as she had no problem blaming them by name for destroying the medical infrastructure.

    She referenced the hospital bombing to make the point that ‘nowhere is safe in Gaza’.

    If you have to infer she said something you are losing.

    Good luck, only repeating ourselves here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭CrazyEric


    You are not repeating yourself. You keep changing and twisting your own words. Trying to derail a thread because you don't agree with something. You have form.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,789 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    . No conspiracy my paranoid fellow poster.

    Thread is all yours. Say what you want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Ireland was the first country to catapult Paddy out so we have no blow back. He has openly said his money is overseas and has spent the last couple of years slagging off Ireland as corrupt to anyone that would listen.

    The problem is with Portugal, they already had huge pressure during covid when Paddy was taking the circa 11m a year even when it was virtual. The population was not impressed

    They have since resigned a contract with him and from the press release it would sound like they handed him over more money. What happens if people drop out in thousands?

    You have to wonder why Web Summit is covering all social media with advertisements in the last few weeks if the so called claimed registrations haven't been hit. Also the comments I seen under those advertisements tells it own story

    The only issue potentially it that it was clear, to me anyway, that SF had promised him something for the love in over the last few years. They picked him to try persuade the MNC's they would be good for Ireland, talk about picking the wrong person. If SF get into government now and are clearly linked with Paddy that could cause concern for the MNC's but guess work of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    IBM are gone now as well., following the lead of Google, Meta, Stripe, Siemens, Amazon, Intel etc.

    The ethics of basing a web summit in Qatar are extremely questionable - especially by Cosgrove, who has slagged off our government here as being very corrupted. He has forgotten the same government here got him on his feet in the early days with taxpayer funding of over half a million for his web summit back in 2009 as far as I remember.

    I would say Cosgrove is not only the biggest wanker in Ireland, he has to be the biggest in Europe at this stage too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    By definition, a terrorist organisation is committing war crimes. The deliberate targetting of civilians with no military objective, as Hamas did on October 7th is a war crime and would be sufficient in itself to have Hamas declared a terrorist organisation. That doesn't even take into account the civilian hostages that Hamas took. Israel will be about to learn what the Disappeared means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You have identified the big issue in your last paragraph.

    It is impossible to discern a difference between Clown Paddy's worldviews and those of Sinn Fein. Looking at how the multinationals have run a mile from Paddy, why on earth would we elect a Sinn Fein government?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,789 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Both have been accused of war crimes by Amnesty, the WHO, Human Rights Watch and other governments.

    Both are being investigated by the ICC.

    And if you think only Israeli's have been 'disappeared' in the conflict/war, then you are a fairly obvious victim of Israeli propaganda and are not doing due diligence.

    Whatever you think of Cosgrove, and I don't think about him much tbh, at least he stood up and was counted as a voice calling for even treatment of the two sides in the conflict/war. Same as the President and government have called for.

    If multinationals want to protect profit, that is their prerogative, (and I think that is what they are doing) but if they are endorsing what is going on in the region, then multinationals are the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The most idiotic of claims around Hamas and Israel is that they should be treated the same. Clown Paddy has been at the heart of this claim and it shows a complete ignorance of international law.

    State actors: They bear the legal right to use force and military power according to their wishes.

    Non-state actors: They have no legal right to use military force and power as per their will, unlike the state actors.

    In Ireland, we have a cohort who still try to justify the actions of the PIRA and they continuously fail to understand this distinction. By using violence, Hamas are de facto and de jure in breach of international law and are committing war crimes. For Israel, the situation is much more nuanced and tied in with the rights of a state to defend itself. How this repeatedly needs to be explained is beyond me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Just read your last 4 words, no need to read the rest. " multinationals are the problem".

    There we have it folks, you have over 50,000 posts advocating and arguing the SF position. The people who pay the vast bulk of the corporation tax in the country, and who directly employ over 100,000 in well paid jobs, are the problem.



  • Posts: 534 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Paddy Cosgrove isn't the biggest wanker, because I'm not sure who he is... Paddy Cosgrave on the other hand is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,789 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I draw your attention to the bolded bit. You are wrong. International Law applies to both. You cannot hide behind having 'democratic legitimacy'.

    The rules apply both to wars between nations and conflicts, like that between Israel and Hamas, in which one of the parties is not a state.

    Another key document in the law of war is the founding Rome Statue of the International Criminal Court, which defines as war crimes acts including intentional attacks on civilians, civilian settlements or humanitarian workers, destroying property where not militarily necessary, sexual violence and unlawful deportation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,789 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Apologies, it is the more common variant in these parts. Hadn't realised I was doing that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,789 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yes, they are, if they are trying to silence on behalf of Israel.

    I don't think they are, they are simply protecting their brand and their profit as they do.

    If they were working on behalf of Israel they would be leaving Ireland because our Taoiseach and President have said the exact same things as Cosgrave has said and of course as you say 'Israel see us as the most anti Israeli country in the west' too.

    *Looks around - have the multinationals left? Nope, still here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Have Google, Meta, Stripe, Siemens, Amazon, Intel, IBM - the multinationals which suddenly ran a mile from Cosgrave's web summit because of his political utterances - announced any new jobs in Ireland recently, and if and when worldwide cut-backs are needed, will they be as quick to boycott Mary Lou and Michael D as they were to boycott Cosgrave? Would be surprised if not. Even you have hinted "multinationals are the problem". Not too long ago the military wing of SF were murdering and kidnapping foreign industrialists. Not everyone remembers that. I do.

    Why would'nt at least some of the multinationals go to a country which is at least not perceived as being the most hostile in the western world to Israel? Would they support a government with Mary Lou / S.F. in charge - the same Mary Lou and SF who very much support the Palestinians? Who is it again who has praised Hamas in the past? Which party met Hamas and said they must NOT be demonised?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,789 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Intel opens €17bn manufacturing expansion in Kildare | Independent.ie


    And before you run off misquoting, I said 'multinationals are the problem IF they don't wish to see war crimes treated equally, whosoever commits them'.

    I don't think that is their issue and that is why they have no issue that our government and President have said the same.

    This is why I believe they pulled out of the Web Summit - brand and profit protection by not getting involved in politics within the tech industry:


     This incident highlights the sensitivity of discussing sensitive geopolitical issues within the tech industry. The withdrawal of industry giants like Google and Meta sends a strong message about maintaining neutrality and sensitivity in global conflict discussions.

    Google and Meta withdraw from Web Summit after founder's remarks on Israel | Digital Watch Observatory

    That was blunder Cosgrave made, involving them in politics - stupid in a business sense even if he was correct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    When you are in a hole Francie, stop digging.


    The multinationals say left the web summit because of political utterances from Cosgrave, and because they did not want to support him financially or by being there.

    If your comrade Mary Lou was in government - and do not forget the S.F. Party has in the past met with key figures including the then-overall leader Khaled Mashal, and S.F. said Hamas must "not be demonised or excluded", do you not really think at least multinationals would want to distance them selves at least a bit from Mary Lou and her Palestinian flags?

    After all, the SF party are more extreme than anything Paddy Cosgrove said or done? Poor old Paddy probably never met Hamas, and even if he did would probably never have said afterwards they must not be demonised.

    Imagine a "party" saying those who kidnap and disappear others must not be demonised?

    Wonder what the multinationals and the 222 Israeli hostages currently in Gaza would think of that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,789 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    SF thread is that way >>>>

    So can you explain why they have not left Ireland given that the President and Taoiseach are saying the exact same things as Cosgrave?

    Can you explain how the 'most anti Israeli country in the west' is receiving 17bn in investment from just ONE multinational?

    No, you can't with any credibility.

    The credible answer is that within the tech industry they cannot be seen to have a side or to get involved in politics - the brand and the profits are much too important.

    I



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    If Intel is your best example, you are seriously deluded, just as your fellow SF supporter Cosgrave was deluded before he made his comments on the middle east conflict, - when he thought what he was saying would not go down badly in the boardrooms of Google, Meta, Siemens, IBM, VW, Intel, Stripe etc.

    In March, Intel announced a 17 billion euro ($18.7 billion) investment to open a new chip fab in Germany, an R&D and design center in France and back-end production facilities in Spain, Ireland, Italy and Poland. Ireland is not the only European country Intel can or does invest in. Like you, Cosgrave thought the multinationals would not drop him - they did. And very very quickly. Like a hot potato.

    Even if Ireland lost 50% of new investment, and 50% of the multinationals dropped supporting pro-Hamas regimes / politicians here (looking at SF, who said Hamas must not be demonised) as quickly as they dropped relatively neutral commentators like Cosgrove, would that not be an awful blow for the country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The mad thing is that in two years time, if Sinn Fein are in government, condemning Hamas for their latest artocity and promising support for the Israeli government, Francie will be here telling us that Sinn Fein were right all along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,789 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady



    In March, Intel announced a 17 billion euro ($18.7 billion) investment to open a new chip fab in Germany, an R&D and design center in France and back-end production facilities in Spain, Ireland, Italy and Poland. Ireland is not the only European country Intel can or does invest in.

    😁😁😁

    You do know what 'multinational means yeh?


    And if you are going to quote somebody, quote them correctly because otherwise you might be accused of fabricating quotes again. Here is what SF said:

    “no Palestinian political faction or section of society should be demonised or excluded from the conflict resolution process,”




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,983 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Heh heh …. Posting telling folk how to handle quotes correctly…….😂

    Gave me a good laugh there in fairness.

    You have been blown out of the water Francis, you are not dealing with pork chops here.

    Angus beef….23 days matured, buddy.



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