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UFC Fight Night Events Thread - Spoilers Within

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    They badly need to build a couple of more stars though. Organically. ie not the way they tried with Darren Till.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,435 ✭✭✭weemcd


    Couldn't agree more. I would love if the UFC would cut the amount of cards they put on by about half. One big event a month and maybe one other fight night. I be looking at the cards on Wikipedia and I haven't got a clue who 3/4's of these people are...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,813 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,930 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Yeah seen that, it'll last 30 seconds max I'd guess.

    The guy I'd compare him to is Chimaev. He's just a killer. They fight in different divisions but I'd expect both to be champions.

    I know it's very early to be calling that for Nickal but he's been a world champion and collegiate champion wrestler multiple times. He has unbelievable strength.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    He’s an excellent wrestler. But I think you are overselling him a bit.

    He was a D1 champ, prob the best wrestler on the college circuit at the time. But there were better wrestlers overall.

    He wasn’t a world champion, I don’t think he even qualified. And he didn’t make the Olympic team. There were simply better wrestlers in those spots.

    Ben Askren has similar credentials, plus being an Olympian. Smashed the junior leagues, undefeated for 20 fights, but not UFC champ material. Bo has to prove he can strike to a reasonably level before I’ll see him as a future champ.

    But I do think he is kyptonite for Chimeav.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,813 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I think Chimaev would destroy him,

    There's only 1 years difference in age & Chimaev is far more experienced in MMA , wrestling would probably cancel each other out & it would come down to striking ,

    Bo missed out on the 2020 Olympics because he wrestled David Taylor for a spot on the team & lost , Taylor was a 2 time World Champion & actually went on to win the Olympics so np shame in losing to that man ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Absolutely no shame losing to Dave Taylor. I was just pointing out he was never the world champion. When he was at a different weight (to avoid Taylor) he was beaten by J’den Cox - another world champion. No shame there either. He was very good a solid no.2, but wrestlers with similar credentials have had a shot too.

    Chimeav has more mma experience. But nowhere near the wrestling credentials. But I also think he’s be cocky enough try wrestle with Bo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,813 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I think Chimeav may be a better all round grappler,

    His wrestling record is unreal although its is Sweden 23 -0 at the national championships , talk he came 3rd in Russia Jr but not sure if that is true ,

    Also rumour he actually did lose 1 in Sweden but he changed his name .His original name is  Khamzat Girikhanov ,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    His wrestling record is unreal although its is Sweden 23 -0 at the national championships ,

    I don’t find that that particularly unreal tbh. For a start it’s Sweden, not going to be as nearly competitive as D1.

    Plus wrestling records are not like mma records. 100s of wins is normal. Bo’s D1 record is 120-3 (plus 100s of other wins overall).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,813 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Ahh come on now he's still the best by a country mile in Sweden , He only lost a combined 6 points in them 23 matches, its a fantastic record , of course its not as competitive as D1 but its still outstanding ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Im not suggesting he’s not the best in Sweden. I’m saying the best is Sweden is not particularly amazing.

    He’s clearly a very good wrestler. But the conversation starting point was whether is on Bo’s level. On my view he’s not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,813 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Pure wrestling i agree but i think he may be the better MMA grappler only time will tell,

    If im wrong I'll have no problem with that ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,532 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    Watching the highlights of the 285 press conference, this feels like the biggest event in a long time. Huge crowd, cracking atmosphere, it's the closest they've come to the same levels of hype in the run up to a fight since the peak McGregor years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,930 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    He was under 23 world champion twice, I wasn't suggesting he was senior world champ just that he'd win world titles. His first fight was a brutal knockout but against much weaker opposition than hell face now.

    I wasn't suggesting he'd face or beat Chimaev just that to me he looks a similar type. They are at different weights.

    He's nothing like Askren because he doesn't have to use wrestling, he's very good on his feet and he can sub without a takedown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I'm aware he was U23 world champion, only once AFAIK. But that's very different to being "world champion" without other qualification.

    Same way as somebody being the Brown belt world champion in BJJ is not considered a real world champion. It's just the name. Or saying Tyrone are the current All-Ireland champs would be considered incorrect - even though that are U20 champions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,156 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    The judge who gave Vera that fight should be fired, he was dominated all fight ffs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,930 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Yeah I couldn't believe when they said split decision.

    Maycee Barber getting the win over Andrea Lee was ridiculous too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,434 ✭✭✭Homelander


    That was one of the best Fight Nights of recent times. All the main card fights were great - MacKenzie Dern put a serious beating on Angela Hill, that was insane, never seen her fight like that before.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,930 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Dern is going through a divorce, might be training harder than ever and taking all her frustration out in the ring.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Kai Rich Ground


    Barez should have went for the pound n ground when he knocked Filho down the second time.

    Great recovery from Filho.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,386 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    Brasil while not elite looked UFC calibre, Bannon unfortunately not so much.



  • Registered Users Posts: 431 ✭✭Vital Transformation


    Comfortable win for Brasil.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Kai Rich Ground


    What's the point in throwing a front kick if you're not gonna follow up?

    Brutal tactics from Bannon. Then again, look at who's in her corner lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,619 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Heard Bannon got a gift there

    edit.. she lost, yes?



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Kai Rich Ground




  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Kai Rich Ground


    Ashmouz did well in the second considering he's fighting with one arm.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Kai Rich Ground


    Time to get Joel Alvarez a fight against top 15 next.

    17 submissions in 20 fights is crazy and the other 3 wins were finishes.

    6'3 in the LW division...



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  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Kai Rich Ground


    Surely that's it for Molly McCann now...

    Amateurish beyond belief. She rolled herself into that armbar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    All hype as usual

    Ufc standard is now watered down and average beyond belief


    Comms talking her up. Easily subbed. Irish girl same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    Aspinall impressive


    So quick



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭hawaii501


    Aspinall is the real deal!

    Bannon and Molly training with each other didn't really help one another.

    Although to be fair they tried to fast-track Bannon. Ufc within 18months turning pro so hope she learns from it.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Kai Rich Ground


    Doesn't say much for Irish MMA when Shauna Bannon is the best/only one we can get on a (piss-poor) card in London.

    Ian Garry will be carrying the flag for a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    The women's divisions especially are so poor.

    Delighted for Tom anyway, genuine title challenger, I think he can beat Gane and get a shot at Jones.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,930 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    The problem is that all our potentially great MMA women are playing Rugby, Camogie and Gaelic football.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    She certainly has has holes in her game. But I don’t think “rolled into that armbar” is a valid criticism there.

    Julija is a high level black belt who literally specialises on armbars. She took the armbar.

    Post edited by Mellor on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,930 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I concur and Molly is entertaining because of the potential of a knockout. I can see her being around for another few years if she wants to keep.going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,813 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Bannon's only saving grace is that he weakness is so glaring obvious that it should be easy enough to fix,

    Its a lack of strength & physicality ,

    Its easy to see why , she's come from the Wako rules kick boxing it very point ordinated so power is not really needed, You could see from her build alone a total lack of any upper body strength ,

    She needs to get her far stronger and rugged , Not sure how Paddy is on that end of thing but she really needs to dedicate herself to strength & conditioning for the next 6 months ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,813 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Molly was in a perfect position to defend that arm bar, Julija could not stretch herself out & was never going to fnoish it from that postion,

    Molly quite literally rolled herself into the arm bar ,its not a go at her but its exactly what happened, If she had of remained composed & stayed put she was in no danger,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Molly’s arm was isolated from the rest of her body. That position offered no defence. You can easily finish from there. It’s a pretty common position to finish from. Julija had already started to extend before the roll. She would have been armbared regardless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,813 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I'm afraid this time your totally wrong or just refusing to back track,

    Molly was in the perfect position to defend it, her arm was not extended & Julija was never in a million year getting it until the roll ,

    Molly should have stayed where she was remained clam got her feet under her & stacked Julija further into the fence,

    I'm really surprised with you on this because it was pretty obvious to anyone with even limited knowledge that roll literally gave her the submission to say other is simply incorrect



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,012 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    So is her arm broken? Didn't look good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭barryribs


    I disagree, when Stoliarenko's head was past the hips it was difficult to defend, once her right leg came across the face it was over before she ever rolled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,813 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    She had control of the arm but she had no room to straighten out, & she had no way to put the pressure on the elbow with her hip, Molly literally rolled into the perfect position to alloy her to finish,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,813 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Come on your not finishing an arm bar from there on anyone who's got half decent grappling experience ,

    There is absolutely zero logic in rolling in that position



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭barryribs


    It's already over at that point, no one is going to be able to stack an armbar specialist from that position, with them already having isolated the arm. It may not have finished as quickly if she didn't roll, but it was inevitable once she got to that position



  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭Zverklez


    I noticed this was on Virgin Media, are there plans to show more UFC events on there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,813 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    She had no way of finishing the arm bar without changing her position, which was going to be extremely difficult being stuck to the fence, How do you see her finishing it from there ?

    Molly literally rolled into it , it was showed horrendous understanding of what was happing on Molly's part,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,601 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I definitely see no need to track back. Anyone thinks that position was a strong defence for the armbar just simply doesn’t see the finish from there. You are looking at it very one dimensionally.

    Her arm was separated from her body. She has no way to defend, other than bicep and shoulder strength.

    It’s true than she can’t move fully back to hyperextend horizontally because of the cage. But she doesn’t need to. Just needs to get the angle and extend her hips forward.

    This image is less than a second after the one you posted. Molly’s is the red glove. You can see it’s gone from in free space to against Juilja’s chest. Her arm is straightened.

    You really think that if Molly “sprawls”there that Julija isn’t strong enough to hip into arm. I think it would be trivial. Her deadlift vrs a bicep curl. FWIW there is some space to the cage that add further hyper extension.

    That position is a really strong armbar finish. In addition to hyper extending, it also strongly internally rotates the shoulder. That’s why it’s a really common reaction to try roll out, like Molly did. It’s possible to make enough space to get out. But much easier to follow and finish.

    The better way to escape is to circle clockwise. But ironic Molly was block from going that way by the cage.

    I stand by my initial comment. It was over before the roll.



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